Christmas and Easter Myths and Answers

[Daniel Marsh]

Celebrating christmas is just a reflection of how the church is guided by men and ideas, that they want to bring into christianity. Celebrating christmas is just one of these type ideas that has been brought into the christian believe system without any support from God given in the Bible.

So whether it is pagan or not, still does not change the fact that, this celebration is not authorized and commanded to be celebrated in The Bible.

Neither are modern things commanded in the Bible like Driving, Using the Internet and so on.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

I hate to be picky, but Christmas isn't approaching. We are still closer to last Christmas than last. I suggest you repost in about 4 months.

Please, remind me to bump this thread or do it for me. I have a bad memory.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Why would God support a celebration filled with inaccuracies.

Because it is honoring His Son.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

The question is, if this celebration is not accurate. Will that be something that God will accept or approve of.

In other words, does God allow man to decide/choose how they should celebrate The Messiah coming into the world. Did God allow The Nation of Israel to choose how they would celebrate the Passover that occurred in Egypt.

I already answered that in the post you quoted. In short, Yes friend Yes. Many things we do in worship are not commanded in the Bible like meeting in Church Buildings.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

This christmas celebration, is kind of like (at least to me) the creation of the christian flag. There is no instruction to create and use a christian flag for the the church.

Or also even subscribe as much importance to the cross that has been given.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Christ gave His Church, through His disciples, real authority which Israel did not have. Christ sent His Holy Spirit upon His disciples to lead them into all truth. Christ's Church has authority to bind and loose, to establish days to celebrate. Did they not have the authority to put an end to the requirement for circumcision at the Jerusalem council?

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Some fifty years later, on 25 December AD 274, the Roman emperor Aurelian did succeed to establish the cult of Sol Invictus as an official religion, alongside the traditional Roman cults.

Sol Invictus - Wikipedia

Constantine's coins featured his sun god to his dying day.

SOLI INVICTO COMITI

 

[Daniel Marsh]

stopped at post 20

 

[Daniel Marsh]

scrolled to here, good discussion all

 

[d taylor]

It looks like this verse in Colossians 2:8 speaks to many of the now traditions used and followed in many denominations/churches

See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

 

[d taylor]

Here is a european christmans show,
mixing religion with a little secular additions.
How much follows The Bible

 

[lismore]

As the Church had no historical date for Christ’s Nativity they had to invent a date for this and they did so by using an old tradition that associated the day of a holy man's death as being the same day as his conception.

Hello, a small aside. There is a date given in Luke's gospel for when Zechariah was in the Temple.

Luke 1:5 In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron.

King David divided the year into 24 divisions, the division of Abijah is a known date. From there it is possible to approximately calculate the birth of Jesus, it coincides with the September Feast of Tabernacles. God Bless

 

[jamiec]

Hello, a small aside. There is a date given in Luke's gospel for when Zechariah was in the Temple.

Luke 1:5 In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron.

King David divided the year into 26 divisions, the division of Abijah is a known date. From there it is possible to approximately calculate the birth of Jesus, it coincides with the September Feast of Tabernacles. God Bless

24 rather than 26.

Perhaps more importantly, the Israelite year was lunar, not solar. It had, or came to have, 354/355 days, of 12 lunar months, plus an intercalated month called "Second Adar" - a name which suggests that the Jewish calendar owed its month-names, or some of them, to the Babylonian calendar.

If 1 Chronicles dates from about 350 BC, that puts it 650 or so years later than the supposed reign of David. That is a long gap during which to remember the details of David's supposed provisions for the Temple (which in 1 Kings is attributed, not to David, but to Solomon).

 

[lismore]

24 rather than 26.

Thanks, slip of the pen, now corrected.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

It looks like this verse in Colossians 2:8 speaks to many of the now traditions used and followed in many denominations/churches

See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

The philosophy being spoken of was the false teachings of pagan religions like the Gnostics.

 

[ralliann]

Hello, a small aside. There is a date given in Luke's gospel for when Zechariah was in the Temple.

Luke 1:5 In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron.

King David divided the year into 24 divisions, the division of Abijah is a known date. From there it is possible to approximately calculate the birth of Jesus, it coincides with the September Feast of Tabernacles. God Bless

There were more weeks in the year, than there were courses. Not only that, there was a month added to adjust the calendar from time to time.
The rotation of the courses did not fill out the year 48 weeks (each course serving twice a year), in a twelve month year let alone when another was added.

 

[ralliann]

The philosophy being spoken of was the false teachings of pagan religions like the Gnostics.

The philosophy spoken of concerned traditions of men. Why do you say pagan? The "traditions of men" Were taught among the jews as well.
Mr 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Josephus the first century Jewish historian wrote of three main philosophies among the Jews. He named them Pharisee's, Sadducee's, and Essene's. Sects of Judaism.
Mt 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mt 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mr 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
We are also warned of the "leaven" of the Pharisee's meaning their "doctrine"
several times we are warned concerning the "leaven" of the Pharisee, Sadducee, and even Herod (Herodians).
These were spoken of as Philosophies.
Mt 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

 

[d taylor]

The only connection i see, in The Bible.

That is connected to the man created christmas celebration and its practice of giving gifts to one another.

Is in Revelation, were people of the earth give gifts to each other celebrating the death of the two witnesses.

And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

What the people of earth do , giving gifts to each other, in celebration of the death of the two witnesses. Could very well come from this being done/practiced for the christmas celebration.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

bumpo

 

[Mockingbird0]

A commonly-held superstition is that the Eastern Orthodox Pascha is required by rule always to occur after the first day of Unleavened Bread (15 Nisan) in the rabbinic Jewish calendar. This is false. Both Gregorian and Julian calendars set Easter to the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Spring equinox in the Northern hemisphere. But the Julian calendar's equinox is 13 days late compared to the Gregorian's and the Julian calendar's full moon is 4 days, sometimes 5 days late compared to the Gregorian calendar's. These two errors, the 13-day error in the equinox and the 4-to-5-day error in the full moon account for the entire difference between Eastern and Western Easter. The rabbinic Jewish feast of Unleavened Bread has nothing to do with it.

As an example, consider the year 2022 (the current year). The Gregorian moon was full on April 16, the same day the astronomical moon was full. Gregorian Easter was the following Sunday, April 17. The Julian moon was full on Wednesday, April 20 in the Gregorian calendar. Julian Easter was the following Sunday, April 24. The date of the Rabbinic Jewish Feast of Unleavened Bread never entered the calculation.