Christians & gun control

[aaron]

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[Job_38]

Amen brother.

The Bible supports using weapons, in DEFENSE. But it is a judgement call, one that must be done with wisdom and a sound mind.

 

[Starscream]

Originally posted by aaron
1John 4:20  If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, cannot love God whom he hath not seen.

Interesting.  How does that mix with this?

If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters–yes, even his own life–he cannot be my disciple.

So am I to hate my brother or not?

 

[panterapat]

Did not Moses' upheld arms allow the Israelites to win the day in battle? David slew Goliath with God's help. The Bible is full of instances where goodness overcame evil through war. However, if God's peopple abandoned Him, they were defeated by evil. It is not the weapon that is evil. It is the intent of the user which makes an act good or evil.

In Christ, Patrick

 

[aaron]

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[Texas Lynn]

I believe there are Christians on either side of this issue. I support the right to bear arms but believe laws like the Brady Bill and the Lautenberg Amendment serve justice. I think further attempts to disarm law-abiding gun owners are ill-advised.

 

[IslandBreeze]

I absolutely support my 2nd amendment right. Guns don't kill people; people kill people...and sometimes (self-defense) it's justified...

 

[Hector Medina]

The more gun control the worse crime will become.

A place with a sign that reads:

"No guns allowed."

means to a thug:

"Easy place to rob."


In Christ,

Hector

 

[strathyboy]

Cammie said this in Post <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=644092#post644092">#7</a>

I absolutely support my 2nd amendment right. Guns don't kill people; people kill people...and sometimes (self-defense) it's justified...

So why can't a person own a rocket launcher, or a tank, or chemical weapons? After all, it's not the weapon that does the killing, it's the person.

 

[Gunny]

strathyboy said this in Post <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=644236#post644236">#9</a>

So why can't a person own a rocket launcher, or a tank, or chemical weapons? After all, it's not the weapon that does the killing, it's the person.

Well now, some folks due own all of the above such as good ole' S.H. over in Iraq.

 

[strathyboy]

gunnysgt said this in Post <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=644246#post644246">#10</a>

Well now, some folks due own all of the above such as good ole' S.H. over in Iraq.

Yep, and guess who supplied him with a significant chunk of them?

But that's not what I meant, and I think you know that. I was merely asking where and why the line was drawn that allows certain weapons but not others. I am speaking only of the United States, not Iraq or anywhere else.

 

[WayneH]

I'm a firm Believer in owning guns and using for self defense - as well as firm believer that capital punishment is justified......... I can budge a tad when they feel a person should have background check... shouldn't be a problem - but I think they are going too far on gun control.......

 

[bigat]

Why do people want to control the gun?&nbsp; The gun doesn't shoot people!&nbsp; The gun doesn't commit the murder.&nbsp; That's like saying we should have "Automobile Control" because people drive like idiots.&nbsp;&nbsp;It's not the guns fault...it's the idiot pulling the trigger.&nbsp; &nbsp;

How about we enforce the laws that are already on the books?? Naaaah...we need more laws in this country!!

Laters -

 

[strathyboy]

bigat said this in Post <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=644465#post644465">#13</a>

Why do people want to control the gun?&nbsp; The gun doesn't shoot people!&nbsp; The gun doesn't commit the murder.&nbsp; That's like saying we should have "Automobile Control" because people drive like idiots.&nbsp;&nbsp;It's not the guns fault...it's the idiot pulling the trigger.&nbsp; &nbsp;

By that reasoning, however, are you in favor of allowing the average American access to chemical weapons? After all, we should be controlling the person, not the weapon, right?

 

[Ryder]

strathyboy said

By that reasoning, however, are you in favor of allowing the average American access to chemical weapons? After all, we should be controlling the person, not the weapon, right?

The average person DOES have access to chemical weapons. They may not have the knowledge to prepare them, but alot of dangerous stuff can be made in 3-4 weeks outa legal stuff from drug stores, garden centers &amp; home hardware for only a few hundred bucks. Maybe we should stop allowing the average american access to fertilizers, charcoal, burn medicines, chlorine, paint thinner, brake fluid, etc etc etc

Better yet, lets all live in a rubber box, hand in your cutlery please

Ultimately it's the people who choose to do right or wrong, the tools can be fabricated from scratch if there's a will to do wrong. Even if guns were regulated in the strictest, they'd still be smuggled in, made in toolshops, improvised, replaced,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;---gun control is&nbsp;a pointless endevour. Just look at Canada, they wasted what, a Billion dollars now? And their program is ineffectual, doesn't prevent crime, and isn't complete with still&nbsp;over half the suspected guns remaining unregistered.

 

[strathyboy]

Ryder said this in Post <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=644541#post644541">#15</a>

Ultimately it's the people who choose to do right or wrong, the tools can be fabricated from scratch if there's a will to do wrong. Even if guns were regulated in the strictest, they'd still be smuggled in, made in toolshops, improvised, replaced,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;---gun control is&nbsp;a pointless endevour.

You're not answering my question. What is the precise point where a weapon is no longer allowed to the average American and why is that point where it is? For instance, handguns are generally acceptable, and yet a minigun you can mount on your truck might not be. Where is the line drawn?

Ryder said this in Post <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=644541#post644541">#15</a>

Just look at Canada, they wasted what, a Billion dollars now? And their program is ineffectual, doesn't prevent crime, and isn't complete with still&nbsp;over half the suspected guns remaining unregistered.

I might also point out the drastically lower crime rate in Canada compared to the US. We already have more gun restrictions than the US does.
The gun registration was a good idea but implemented very poorly. I think a chimp could have done a better job than our government has done.

 

[bigat]

So, I guess the "right to bare arms" is tossed out the window?&nbsp; &nbsp; I don't think that people should be allowed to have an automatic weapon or some high powered machine gun.&nbsp; There is no use for that.&nbsp; But some of the "Gun control" advocates want to take all guns away.&nbsp; Not gunna happen.&nbsp; Even if you TRY to get rid of ALL guns they will be there.&nbsp; Heck, mine will still be there!&nbsp;

I'll register my gun!&nbsp; Then when some idiot comes into my&nbsp;house trying to rob, or harm my family, you can be sure you know who's bullet he took in the chest!&nbsp;

"You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands!!"

Laters -

 

[cenimo]

Chemicals?

One aerosol can + one cigarette lighter, pretty good weapon.

As far as the OP, you ar required to fight evil...anyone who would unprovoked attack you is evil...

De Opresso Liber

 

[Ryder]

strathyboy said this in Post #16

You're not answering my question. What is the precise point where a weapon is no longer allowed to the average American and why is that point where it is? For instance, handguns are generally acceptable, and yet a minigun you can mount on your truck might not be. Where is the line drawn?

Difficult to answer, yeah it's a good question. I'm not sure. I don't think it should be where it is though, with most states not allowing fully automatic weapons (there's a ton out and about anyways). At the same time, I can't see the point in someone owning say,&nbsp;a minigun.&nbsp;At the&nbsp;least, that 'line'&nbsp;should not&nbsp;be drawn at a point that renders the people 'essentially' unarmed by modern military standards. IE auto-rifles in such -&nbsp;ok. Howitzer -&nbsp;overkill. That was part of the intention of the constitution, not to leave the populace utterly defenceless.

I might also point out the drastically lower crime rate in Canada compared to the US. We already have more gun restrictions than the US does.
The gun registration was a good idea but implemented very poorly. I think a chimp could have done a better job than our government has done.

The amount of guns and the laws regarding them is not the sole difference between the states and canada such that you can declare those laws reduce crime. And yeah, a major factor in your gun reg program is mismanagement. I still don't think it would work out with better leadership, but it certainly wouldn't cost that much.

 

[panterapat]

Old cliche:

"Out law guns and only outlaws will have guns."
Second Ammendment all the way!

In Christ, Parick