Christians do not "own" morality

[Ruthie24]

So if you had to lie to save someone's life, would you not in order to be moral?

So if you had to take someone's life so that you or another would live, would you do nothing because it is immoral?

There are exceptions to everything.

I don't think she was saying, "Oh okay this generation it's okay to kill, but next generation can't, only after three more generations will it be okay to kill again."

Some morals do change over time. Take contraception. It didn't used to be legal because it was considered immoral to have a woman try to control the size of the family she had to take care of. But, now it is not considered immoral by the majority (because there will always be people who disagree with what is or is not moral depending on the circumstance).

This moral changed as the society changed. I don't think that people previous to this were immoral, I just don't think they really understood what they were doing.

From my previous post:
There is no, it's ok to rape someone in one culture, but it's not in another.

Doing bad things to people, IE Murder, Rape, Child molestation against people is NOT ok. There is no moral relativity with this kind of stuff.

 

[Gadarene]

Genocide apologetics on the other hand....

 

[Gadarene]

I love your comments, straight to the point, and super funny

Haha, you think pyramid talks sense?

And credibility clunks down another level

 

[Gadarene]

I feel the same way. It's kinda like a sadist telling his victim, you put up with my beatings and you enjoy it and say thank you and then we can be friends LOL. I'm sorry, but there is no room for the bully in the class anymore.

Would this be like you claiming the moral systems of people who don't use biblical morality are apologetics for crappy behaviour? Yeah, you're so being bullied here

 

[Ruthie24]

Genocide apologetics on the other hand....

Not understanding the Bible history, refusing to do research, refusing to go to the scholars etc. spades are spades Gad

 

[Ruthie24]

Would this be like you claiming the moral systems of people who don't use biblical morality are apologetics for crappy behaviour? Yeah, you're so being bullied here

Would it be like you not doing any biblical research or studies or going to the scholars? Oh yeah, I forgot, atheists got the 411 on the Bible

 

[Ruthie24]

Funny how your example was something like... rape and not something we actually disagree on.

You thinking you have authority for your system doesn't by any means show that your deeds aren't horrible or that you're right at all. You're statement about living in lies or not seems to display your lack of continual learning in what is true or false, your lack of knowledge that you are wrong about things and this shows the problems in your moral dogma.

What is horrifying is your opinion, for instance Jesus is the most horrifying character ever imagined to me should I tell you that because of moral absolutism that you should agree with me or will you enter into some petty predictable argument over whether or not he's very good or very bad or will you simply say I'm a fool... but who cares what you'll say, you're just showing your own values and morality shouldn't be up for debate according to you.

I wasn't trying to be harsh towards you, I was just trying to show why I disagree. You seem to mistake your urgency for truth or your ability to be profound for sound reason.

I love this line, "I wasn't trying to be harsh towards you, BUT..lol like that's not a judgment call from the atheist handbook, "How to Defeat a Christian in 60 Seconds Flat" lol.

No, I seem to see a lot of people who are atheists making excuses for crappy behavior. That's what I see. Let me ask you something, what do you think is more horrifying,

When Jesus says, "love your neighbor as yourself" in a country that is working on you being allowed to get married to the one you love

or say, I don't know

how about, Iran and Sharia Law where if they even suspect you for being gay you are on the noose in less than 48 hours? If you are even that lucky to get that much time! Hmm?

Please spare me the Jesus is the most horrifying character clap trap. It's not gonna fly.

Oh, and, I'm not being "harsh towards you or anything...just trying to show you why I disagree."

Wake up Leona, don't mix the hatred from evil people with the love of Christ.

 

[Syd the Human]

I love this line, "I wasn't trying to be harsh towards you, BUT..lol like that's not a judgment call from the atheist handbook, "How to Defeat a Christian in 60 Seconds Flat" lol.

No, I seem to see a lot of people who are atheists making excuses for crappy behavior. That's what I see. Let me ask you something, what do you think is more horrifying,

When Jesus says, "love your neighbor as yourself" in a country that is working on you being allowed to get married to the one you love

or say, I don't know

how about, Iran and Sharia Law where if they even suspect you for being gay you are on the noose in less than 48 hours? If you are even that lucky to get that much time! Hmm?

Please spare me the Jesus is the most horrifying character clap trap. It's not gonna fly.

Oh, and, I'm not being "harsh towards you or anything...just trying to show you why I disagree."

Wake up Leona, don't mix the hatred from evil people with the love of Christ.

I will admit that there are atheists on this board who can be mean and sarcastic.

But I think you are overreacting here. Again.

And who is trying to stop the LGBT community from being able to be married?

And what about Uganda? I don't think they are putting the gays and lesbians to death but they are throwing them in jail because they think it's against god.

 

[Ruthie24]

I will admit that there are atheists on this board who can be mean and sarcastic.

But I think you are overreacting here. Again.

And who is trying to stop the LGBT community from being able to be married?

And what about Uganda? I don't think they are putting the gays and lesbians to death but they are throwing them in jail because they think it's against god.

I'm not over reacting at all. I'm pointing out glaring contradictions in Leona's statements. If you can't handle it, oh well, it's not my problem.

Anyone who mistreats another person and calls themselves Christians are not Christians. I don't care who the hell they are. Christ said, "I don't know you." He didn't say string up the lbgt community in my name. Get real.

 

[Syd the Human]

I will admit that there are atheists on this board who can be mean and sarcastic.

But I think you are overreacting here. Again.

And who is trying to stop the LGBT community from being able to be married?

And what about Uganda? I don't think they are putting the gays and lesbians to death but they are throwing them in jail because they think it's against god.

I love this line, "I wasn't trying to be harsh towards you, BUT..lol like that's not a judgment call from the atheist handbook, "How to Defeat a Christian in 60 Seconds Flat" lol.

No, I seem to see a lot of people who are atheists making excuses for crappy behavior. That's what I see. Let me ask you something, what do you think is more horrifying,

When Jesus says, "love your neighbor as yourself" in a country that is working on you being allowed to get married to the one you love

or say, I don't know

how about, Iran and Sharia Law where if they even suspect you for being gay you are on the noose in less than 48 hours? If you are even that lucky to get that much time! Hmm?

Please spare me the Jesus is the most horrifying character clap trap. It's not gonna fly.

Oh, and, I'm not being "harsh towards you or anything...just trying to show you why I disagree."

Wake up Leona, don't mix the hatred from evil people with the love of Christ.

I'm not over reacting at all. I'm pointing out glaring contradictions in Leona's statements. If you can't handle it, oh well, it's not my problem.

Anyone who mistreats another person and calls themselves Christians are not Christians. I don't care who the hell they are. Christ said, "I don't know you." He didn't say string up the lbgt community in my name. Get real.

The no true Scotsman thing? Are you saying you have never done wrong since becoming a Christian?

She disagrees with you and openly states she isn't trying to be mean. How do you react? With disdain and sarcasm. You complain that atheists are rude, but when one who disagrees with you and tries to be polite you become a total hypocrite and lash back at someone who had not done anything.

You then go on to say, "Well the Christians here aren't as bad as the Muslims over there!"

Confronted with Christians acting badly, you then claim that Christians would never do such a thing. Christians are capable of sin, I don't care what you think that's just the truth.

You can't handle this for some reason. Take a break from the discussion board or something.

 

[bhsmte]

Haha, you think pyramid talks sense?

And credibility clunks down another level

I gotta kick out of that myself. Quite telling.

 

[Gadarene]

Would it be like you not doing any biblical research or studies or going to the scholars? Oh yeah, I forgot, atheists got the 411 on the Bible

Er...what? I know what my moral system is and what the moral systems of other non Christians are like and you haven't posted squat to back up that ignorant statement of yours.

 

[Ruthie24]

I'm not over reacting at all. I'm pointing out glaring contradictions in Leona's statements. If you can't handle it, oh well, it's not my problem.

Anyone who mistreats another person and calls themselves Christians are not Christians. I don't care who the hell they are. Christ said, "I don't know you." He didn't say string up the lbgt community in my name. Get real.

I stand by what I said. Just because the atheists in here can't handle when someone doesn't abide by their "politically correct flavor of the day agenda flash cards" is not my problem. It's yours. Your interpretation of anger is just another tactic from the "Sigmund Freud wanna be fan club" that uses armchair assessments in order to judge, demean, ridicule and debase people who disagree with their beliefs. It's disgusting and reprehensible. If you can't handle it, maybe you should take a break from the discussion lol!

 

[Ruthie24]

Er...what? I know what my moral system is and what the moral systems of other non Christians are like and you haven't posted squat to back up that ignorant statement of yours.

Er...what? Atheists don't have the 411 on the Bible. Ignorance is thinking you have all the answers and guess what? You don't! Newsflash!!!

 

[Gadarene]

Er...what? Atheists don't have the 411 on the Bible. Ignorance is thinking you have all the answers and guess what? You don't! Newsflash!!!

And I don't.

News flash - disagreeing with you and your bare assertions about nephilim =/= thinking I have all the answers.

Again, you'd be well advised to get over yourself

 

[Gadarene]

I stand by what I said. Just because the atheists in here can't handle when someone doesn't abide by their "politically correct flavor of the day agenda flash cards" is not my problem. It's yours. Your interpretation of anger is just another tactic from the "Sigmund Freud wanna be fan club" that uses armchair assessments in order to judge, demean, ridicule and debase people who disagree with their beliefs. It's disgusting and reprehensible. If you can't handle it, maybe you should take a break from the discussion lol!

IRONY METER IS UNSTABLE

Can dish it out, but you can't take it, can you?

 

[Syd the Human]

I stand by what I said. Just because the atheists in here can't handle when someone doesn't abide by their "politically correct flavor of the day agenda flash cards" is not my problem. It's yours. Your interpretation of anger is just another tactic from the "Sigmund Freud wanna be fan club" that uses armchair assessments in order to judge, demean, ridicule and debase people who disagree with their beliefs. It's disgusting and reprehensible. If you can't handle it, maybe you should take a break from the discussion lol!

Look at all of the insults you just used.

That's not just disagreeing with that's being rude. But if you can't handle it fine. There is no point in trying to communicate with you if you can't see how your acting.

 

[Ruthie24]

And I don't.

News flash - disagreeing with you and your bare assertions about nephilim =/= thinking I have all the answers.

Again, you'd be well advised to get over yourself

I don't pretend to be a scholar on anything and I said that multiple times, but you keep thinking what you want. Take a look in the mirror for once.

 

[Gadarene]

I don't pretend to be a scholar on anything

Good idea

and I said that multiple times, but you keep thinking what you want. Take a look in the mirror for once.

Yes I will keep thinking that I don't know all the answers. Maybe listen to that instead of making things up

 

[Cearbhall]

I stand by what I said. Just because the atheists in here can't handle when someone doesn't abide by their "politically correct flavor of the day agenda flash cards" is not my problem. It's yours.

Is that what logic looks like to you? How sad.