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The eye for an eye civil law was relieved by Jesus who showed the principle of love. All of the sacrifices and the strict ordinances that were being kept were made void by Christ.
Here's where I always get a little confused, how do you decide which of the Laws still apply and which ones don't?I'm obligated to "keep the Sabbath" but it's ok to wear mixed fabrics?
tulc(is coffee legal?)
Hi Tulc. Do you drink Kosher coffee?Here's where I always get a little confused, how do you decide which of the Laws still apply and which ones don't?I'm obligated to "keep the Sabbath" but it's ok to wear mixed fabrics?
tulc(is coffee legal?)
Here's where I always get a little confused, how do you decide which of the Laws still apply and which ones don't?I'm obligated to "keep the Sabbath" but it's ok to wear mixed fabrics?
tulc(is coffee legal?)
Paul warns us that to put ourselves under one law we are then under the WHOLE law..Different laws were given for different reasons.
We have civil laws. But the civil laws in Grenanda are not the same as the civil laws in New York. Those are the laws that give the penalty for breaching the law. The laws that state that a woman caught in adultery should be stoned is a civil law. But they apply only to that particular nation. So a breach of one of the 10 commandments might lead to stoning. But stoning is a civil law applying to the Israelites. Those laws can change. That is why Jesus defended the woman caught in adultery.
Then there were the ceremonial laws which were all about atonement for sin. Sacrifices, ordinances, holy days like the day of atonement. Those things were made void by the blood of Christ sin his blood now atones for sin. You don't have to agree but can you see where I am coming from.
Greetings holo. Didn't we have a hugh discussion/thread on this awhile back concerning the Commandments???
Being dead to the law is the same as being "lawless"? If so, Paul was lawless, not to mention every single person who lived from Adam up until Moses.
There is no direct recommand for Sabbath keeping in the new testament. But the practice is continued by Jesus who showed exactly how the Sabbath should be kept.
But does the bible say this? Does the bible divide the law into certain "civil" or "ceremonial" parts? And when was (a certain portion of) the law extended to apply not only to gentiles, even to believers, who are not only supposedly DEAD to the law, but heirs to Abraham, who lived by FAITH?Different laws were given for different reasons.
We have civil laws. But the civil laws in Grenanda are not the same as the civil laws in New York. Those are the laws that give the penalty for breaching the law. The laws that state that a woman caught in adultery should be stoned is a civil law. But they apply only to that particular nation. So a breach of one of the 10 commandments might lead to stoning. But stoning is a civil law applying to the Israelites. Those laws can change. That is why Jesus defended the woman caught in adultery.
Then there were the ceremonial laws which were all about atonement for sin. Sacrifices, ordinances, holy days like the day of atonement. Those things were made void by the blood of Christ sin his blood now atones for sin. You don't have to agree but can you see where I am coming from.
Some people think that Paul did away with the Sabbath and other biblical Holy Days when he wrote in Romans 14:5-6: that One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it
They think that Paul is referring to Gods Sabbaths even though the Sabbath is not mentioned in thewhole book of Romans. Paul and the other New Testament writers did not call the Sabbath one day.
Did you know that Paul quotes from the Old Testament 84 times in this one letter to support his teaching.
He never thought for one moment of doing away with the Sabbath or any other of the Ten Commandments.
Paul, while in Corinth, reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks (Acts18:1, 4).
Did he write to the church in Rome to tell them Sabbath-keeping was irrelevant while teaching Jews and gentiles every Sabbath in Corinth? I dont think so. No matter where Paul went, the book ofActs shows Pauls custom was to keep the fourth commandment / Sabbath (Acts 17:2).
We can not make anything holy. Yet we are commanded to remember the Sabbath and to keep it holy. We cant keep something holy that God has not made holy. If you look in Lev. 23:1-2 you will learn that, God calls His weekly Sabbath and annual Feast days His. They are notIsraels or the Jews. They are Gods
Our example is this: Follow it or not, its up to you.
Lk.4:16 So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.
Act. 17:1-2 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act. 13:42-44 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words mightbe preached to them the next Sabbath. (Now here was the perfect place for Paul to say, you dont have to worry about that old Sabbath thing. I will meet with you tomorrow on the first day of the week.) 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continuein the grace of God.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Act. 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Act. 18:4And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Now in verse 11 we read that Paul lived there for a year and six months. Since he reasoned in the synagogueevery Sabbath thats 78 weekly Sabbaths and about 10 annual Sabbaths.
Further proof that this common interpretation of Romans 14 is wrong can be found in Pauls first epistle to the Corinthians. He wrote this epistle in or around A.D. 55, shortly beforehe came to Corinth (1 Corinthians 16:5-6) on the visit during which he would write his epistleto the Romans. What do we find he tells the Corinthians in this letter?
He tells them to keep the biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread in the proper manner, understanding its spiritual intent (1 Corinthians 5:7-8; compare Leviticus 23:6). He instructs them on how to keep the
New Testament Passover as a commemoration of Jesus Christs death (1 Corinthians 11:23-30).
He reminds them that Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us (1 Corinthians 5:7).
He writes that he intends to journey to them, but that he will first stay in Ephesus until after the biblical Feast of Pentecost has passed (1 Corinthians 16:8).
If you accept the common misinterpretation of the book of Romans, you would have to conclude that Paul instructed the Corinthians in how to properly observe the Passover, thathe told them to keep the biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread, and that he noted he was staying in Ephesus until after the biblical Feast of Pentecostand the very next year wrote to the Romans that none of this mattered and was all unnecessary.
On the other hand, if you understand Pauls teaching to the Romans as it is truthfully presented in this chapter, you will see complete agreement between his actions and the letters he wrote to Church members both in Rome and Corinth.
Then what was he doing beside the altar to the unknown god ?Could it be that Paul did all these on the Sabbath and at the synagogue because that is when and where the people were gathered together and it gave him an audience to address??
(just a thought. Now where is Tulc with the coffee??)
Then what was he doing beside the altar to the unknown god ?
........ To claim that you as a gentile and/or born again believer is under a certain part of the mosaic law is simply indefensible from the bible. IF you are under the law, you are under the ENTIRE law. If you are NOT under the law, you are not under ANY of the law. Like Abraham, who is our spiritual forefather. He wasn't under the law. I don't see exactly why so many of you WANT to be under the law, anyway.
So, that means he will evangelize everywhere at any time, but he still worships as a Jew.That is where the people were? I don't think Paul spent a lot of time talking in empty rooms.
Wasn't he also trained as a Pharisee and yes he was a Jew of the Tribe of Benjamin and a Hebrew of Hebrews Israelite. Thoughts?So, that means he will evangelize everywhere at any time, but he still worships as a Jew.
Well then can you read post #229 and #248 and tell me your views on how I believe the bible explains those shadows.
The sabbath commandment was never done away with, but then neither was the rest of the law. Nobody has the authority to go about changing the law. Adventists are just as guilty as everybody else here; the law does NOT consist of ten commandments, but of 613. You can NOT just pick and choose which commandments apply to you and which you can ignore.
If you are under the law, you are under the entire law.
So the entire law still stands. However, the law
a) was given to Israel
b) is for the wicked and ungodly
c) applies to the living
b) was given to make sin exceedingly sinful
c) had its time until John
d) is part of the old covenant, and
e) is the power of sin.
I'm not an Israelite, I'm not wicked and ungodly, I'm dead with Christ, I'm in the NEW covenant, and I have no particular reason to try and make sin exceedingly sinful and to go about empowering sin.
But if you for some reason would like to be under the law, you're obligated to be under the ENTIRE law.
Hi. Matt 4:16 uses that word which comes from Isaiah 60:2.You started out by giving the wrong tense to prove your case. How you believe the Bible explains "shadow" is "not how the Bible explains shadow." I have already given the meaning of shadow based on the true Greek tense, voice and mood.
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