Christians can you help me understand this?

[hisgrace26]

Hi there, there are a few questions I like to bring to your attention. The first question has to do with God not healing amputees. God not answering our prayers the same way parents don't always give their kids what they have ask for. Perhaps a toy or a candy - that is understandable. However, what if the child just want to "hear" and "see" either because the child is death to certain extent (hearing impaired), or that the child has blur vision and therefore needed glasses. Will you as a parent deny the child's basic neccessities? Compare this analogy to God. Will God deny the child? If so, does this says more about God/parent more than the child? Is God not all loving?

My second question is, if the child lose an arm/leg due to sickness and diseases etc, not of his own fault, is that to much to ask for God to give him his arm/leg back?

Last question, there are many innocent that suffer and not of their own fault. What do you think is God's purpose to suffer innocent people so horribly as a Christian? I would like to hear your thoughts on these 3 questions and get better understanding from the Christian worldview.

 

[KrimsonDraegon]

Hi there, there are a few questions I like to bring to your attention. The first question has to do with God not healing amputees. God not answering our prayers the same way parents don't always give their kids what they have ask for. Perhaps a toy or a candy - that is understandable. However, what if the child just want to "hear" and "see" either because the child is death to certain extent (hearing impaired), or that the child has blur vision and therefore needed glasses. Will you as a parent deny the child's basic neccessities? Compare this analogy to God. Will God deny the child? If so, does this says more about God/parent more than the child? Is God not all loving?

My second question is, if the child lose an arm/leg due to sickness and diseases etc, not of his own fault, is that to much to ask for God to give him his arm/leg back?

Last question, there are many innocent that suffer and not of their own fault. What do you think is God's purpose to suffer innocent people so horribly as a Christian? I would like to hear your thoughts on these 3 questions and get better understanding from the Christian worldview.

Peace be upon you,

As this pertains to Christianity we shall presuppose the "basic three" powers of the Almighty, which are: omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.

As outlined in the Christian doctrines the Almighty is Master of All and King of the Universe. Nothing happens without His foreknowledge and nothing comes to pass without His Hand. Under these auspices I see more wrong with questioning the Divine Will than with the Almighty One's unwillingness to answer prayer.

Perhaps one has not considered that it was the Will of the Almighty that one might lose their limb? Would it not be better to consider the windows opened and not the doors closed in this instance? Perhaps the Almighty intends for one to outreach to other amputees, as an example.

Suffering in the world is a bit more complicated, but once more deals with the same solution: the Will of the Almighty guides all. Think of all of Creation as though it is this mighty tapestry She is attempting to weave and we're all standing around the edges going "zOMG! There be frayed edges! zOMG! Red don't go with purple!" and other such silliness. Meanwhile the Almighty sits, continually weaving, saying "Just wait," "I have the most beautiful design in my head! Just help me with it!", and other pleas for patience and understanding.

But our understanding is not what is desired so much as our outrage. No, the Almighty doesn't rejoice in our upset, but He does like to hear from us and He does like to hear our opinions concerning Her Master plan. If we possessed understanding of each and every intricate detail of His plan then we could not be outraged when horrors arose, nor could we be sad when others passed and this simply cannot do! For the Almighty does not desire robots that we might walk docilely in line behind Her. If He had wanted that then She would not have given us the choice to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, right?

S.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The whole of civilization, both ancient and modern, is built upon the choice of 'evil' over 'good'. That can be seen everywhere in the form of 'competition' (evil) instead of 'cooperation' (good). We call evil 'good', then expect good results. It's of form of insanity. God gave us the choice, along with the consequences of both. We didn't listen then, and are not listening now. To focus on a few unfortunate 'innocent' victims is to ignore incredible devastation worldwide caused by our choice to build upon evil instead of good.

 

[Faulty]

People suffer at the hands of other men because men are sinful and willingly cause harm on themselves and others.

"The wages of sin is death" (Rom 6:23), and through that sin comes our suffering, our pain, and ultimately our death. There is no promise we will not suffer, and He is under no obligation to free us from the situation we've brought on ourselves through our sin.

The good news is that there is another half to that verse, "but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord".

Although He had no obligation to do so, it was through his love for us that our Creator lowered Himself to become one of us to take on Him all this sin causing so much evil, because not only will sin cause us to hurt each other, it seperates us fom God, condemning ourselves to an eternity without Him.

We are told, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." John 3:36

Through our sin, we have the wrath of God on us, and an impossible debt to pay. So you ask why would God not heal the limb of a child. I ask, what kind of God would permit a child to remain whole, and not give him a way to be forgiven, reconciled to the God who made him? Which is of the greater need?

"We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." 2 Cor 5:20-21

Justice demands punishment for a crime. God is our Judge and we are guilty before Him. He's judged us guilty, then sentenced Himself to your punishment for you. Justice is satisfied. Love is displayed, and we, the criminals, are to accept our guilt, and believe on Jesus as our Lord and sole sacrifice, taking our punishment for us on Himself out of His love for us.

If we end up rejecting this sacrifice, it would not make God any less just, or any less loving as a result.

 

[hisgrace26]

There are millions of people in the hospitals praying for God to heal them. God is too busy He can't hear prayers. He likes to watch people suffer. You want God to heal you, but why should He when there are 6.7 billion people need to be taken care of. Innocent people suffer fro things they didn't do. So what the rationality of God behind this?

 

[Biker Angel]

There are millions of people in the hospitals praying for God to heal them. God is too busy He can't hear prayers. He likes to watch people suffer. You want God to heal you, but why should He when there are 6.7 billion people need to be taken care of. Innocent people suffer fro things they didn't do. So what the rationality of God behind this?

God really is not that concerned with our physical state. God wants our spirits to be right with Him not our bodies. Sounds like you are upset with God b/c He won't do what you think He should do. God is not going to heal every single person who prays for a healing just because we think He should as per our human understanding. I think it also depends on who is doing the praying and for what reason. I have never heard of a miracle where a severed limb was completely restored except when Jesus healed a man with a severed ear the night He was betrayed. We don't know if maybe He used the same ear or made a new ear instantly grow.
Never the less I doubt that you or anyone else will ever see a severed human limb instantly restored by just praying. Nobody alive today has that kind of power/faith.

 

[hisgrace26]

God really is not that concerned with our physical state. God wants our spirits to be right with Him not our bodies. Sounds like you are upset with God b/c He won't do what you think He should do. God is not going to heal every single person who prays for a healing just because we think He should as per our human understanding. I think it also depends on who is doing the praying and for what reason. I have never heard of a miracle where a severed limb was completely restored except when Jesus healed a man with a severed ear the night He was betrayed. We don't know if maybe He used the same ear or made a new ear instantly grow.
Never the less I doubt that you or anyone else will ever see a severed human limb instantly restored by just praying. Nobody alive today has that kind of power/faith.

Christians... but that's in the Bible. So God stopped healing amputee? Inconsistence here.

 

[drich0150]

Hi there, there are a few questions I like to bring to your attention. The first question has to do with God not healing amputees. God not answering our prayers the same way parents don't always give their kids what they have ask for. Perhaps a toy or a candy - that is understandable. However, what if the child just want to "hear" and "see" either because the child is death to certain extent (hearing impaired), or that the child has blur vision and therefore needed glasses. Will you as a parent deny the child's basic necessities? Compare this analogy to God. Will God deny the child? If so, does this says more about God/parent more than the child? Is God not all loving?

What if we take into consideration for one moment that maybe God knows what's best for us long term. Most parents look to placate their children so that they may have the easiest time raising them. Your analogy seems to point to this as you did not take any other consideration in, when you made your judgment. What you can only label as a disability often times proves to be the fulcrum that leverages strength of character. Being different is not the sin you make it out to be. What is a sin is admonishing a God who looks to build Spiritual Character through what makes us different. We live in a fallen world, therefore we will experience a less than perfect life.

My second question is, if the child lose an arm/leg due to sickness and diseases etc, not of his own fault, is that to much to ask for God to give him his arm/leg back?

Indeed it maybe. Do you know off hand what the cost of spontaneously reattaching a limb is?
I most certainly do not and according to how you decided to phrase this question the cost of it did not even cross your mind.
This life, has no intrinsic value. The idea that every Human is priceless is a Very modern western philosphy. So why would God bow before your interpretation of life if you will not even take the time to learn His?

Last question, there are many innocent that suffer and not of their own fault. What do you think is God's purpose to suffer innocent people so horribly as a Christian? I would like to hear your thoughts on these 3 questions and get better understanding from the Christian worldview.[/

I am not sure what you are asking here could you rephrase.

 

[wpage]

God is the Master of the universe and Lord and giver of life. He does as he pleases. His ways are not our ways.

 

[bling]

There are millions of people in the hospitals praying for God to heal them. God is too busy He can't hear prayers. He likes to watch people suffer. You want God to heal you, but why should He when there are 6.7 billion people need to be taken care of. Innocent people suffer fro things they didn't do. So what the rationality of God behind this?

You ask a good quest that everyone asks sometime in their life, so God addresses this question first off with the story of Adam and Eve the third chapter of the book. Adam and Eve had the world you think you want (Please! do not get the idea it is all Adam and Eve’s fault. They are just the best representatives the human race could have showing us that the wonderful Garden of Eden situation is a lousy place for a human to fulfill his earthly objective)

The story of Adam and Eve (Gen 3)(you do not have to believe it is true to get the message) is told very early, because all individuals ask the question: “Why would a truly Loving God not put us all in a Garden type situation?” That is the question ~ is asking. The story of A&E explains why we are in our situation:

1. God desires that we all be in a Garden type situation, but God quenches His own desire to provide a better situation for us to fulfill our earthly objective.

2. Our earthly object is not to “worship God”, run around free, just don’t sin, or be good. God does not need anything from us, but is just trying to give something to us. God is trying to give us the greatest power in all universes; the power that compels God to do all He does, but that power cannot be forced on us (take it or I torture you) or can it be instinctive to man (robotically programmed in humans). It is a gift from God that is totally undeserved and unconditional (so it is Charity), but man has to accept the gift as it was given. Humans, instinctive to the survival, (which is good for man to have) do not like to take charity especially if it comes at a huge cost to the giver.

3. The gift is Godly type Love which is best defined by Christ’s words and deeds. God will do all he can to help those that are willing to accept His help, fulfill their earthly objective of accepting His Love and growing that Love. Included in all that God will do and allow to happen are: Christ going to the cross, satan roaming the earth, sin, hell and tragedies of all kinds.

4. First off; death is the way good people get to go home and the way bad people stop doing bad stuff.

5. It is truly unfortunate and not God’s desire that tragedies have to occur. God has to quench His desire to allow tragedies, for man’s sake to help humans accept Love. People have to see, experience, witness, receive and even give Godly type Love, before they will even understand and desire such a Love. Some even after receiving Godly type Love from an individual just like themselves will not want it or explain it away (the person is just trying to gain respect or earn their way to heaven or they are making up for the bad they have done).

6. Everyone on earth is needy, because everyone has hurt others (sinned) and should feel the burden of the sin. Their creator is trying to give them Love in the form of forgiveness so they will Love (…he that is forgiven much will Love much…)

7. There are a huge amount of sever tragedies in this world, but they are really opportunities for good people to show, give, experience and witness Godly type Love. With all those tragedies some good people are still not responding, so are more needed? It is not our job to provide tragedies, but to solve, reduce, eliminate all we can, by allowing the Spirit to work through us.

8. Scripture tells us the needy will be with us always on this earth. Christ did not “heal” all those that were sick, but used those around Him to express Godly Love and show us how we are to handle tragedies (serve others with Love). Healing everyone without the witness of Godly type Love being seen in serving individual like any other person would not get people to accept God’s Love in faith and humility.

9. This world is not our Home and our rest comes later. It is both a privilege and Honor to allow the Holy Spirit to work through us in serving others in this world to best help everyone around us to accept God’s Love.

10. If you had to find the most Christ Like person in the world today, where would you look?

 

[freezerman2000]

You ask a complex question that mankind has been struggling with for eons.We can in part alleviate suffering (blindness and deafness and amputation) with technology,and the human touch , in a way, assisting God and us assisting Him, in healing the body...yet, healing the Spirit is between the afflicted and the Almighty...
Complex in a way, yet so simple that mere words can not describe the process.
I gave you the outline, but can not give you the nuts and bolts....
It's all a matter of Faith.

 

[freezerman2000]

When I said "afflicted" I meant those who are mentally ill and are ill in the body...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

There are millions of people in the hospitals praying for God to heal them. God is too busy He can't hear prayers. He likes to watch people suffer. You want God to heal you, but why should He when there are 6.7 billion people need to be taken care of. Innocent people suffer fro things they didn't do. So what the rationality of God behind this?

God built 'healing' into our bodies. Most people 'self heal' from within. Of course we can abuse ourselves beyond our ability to heal as well. People should take better care of themselves (our bodies are the 'temple' after all).

 

[tranz4md]

Hi there, there are a few questions I like to bring to your attention. The first question has to do with God not healing amputees. God not answering our prayers the same way parents don't always give their kids what they have ask for. Perhaps a toy or a candy - that is understandable. However, what if the child just want to "hear" and "see" either because the child is death to certain extent (hearing impaired), or that the child has blur vision and therefore needed glasses. Will you as a parent deny the child's basic neccessities? Compare this analogy to God. Will God deny the child? If so, does this says more about God/parent more than the child? Is God not all loving?

My second question is, if the child lose an arm/leg due to sickness and diseases etc, not of his own fault, is that to much to ask for God to give him his arm/leg back?

Last question, there are many innocent that suffer and not of their own fault. What do you think is God's purpose to suffer innocent people so horribly as a Christian? I would like to hear your thoughts on these 3 questions and get better understanding from the Christian worldview.

Dear Superman 2010,

We unfortunately live in a fallen world. A world full of sin. So many people misunderstand this concept. So many want to blame God for all the hurt and wrong in this world. God is love. He did not create us to live in sin, nor did he create us to be hurt and to hurt others. This is the consequence of sin, the sin of fallen man. When Satan fell from heaven, he tempted Adam and Eve. God did give Adam and Eve as well as each of us a freewill to choose how we will respond to Him. They chose to give in to Satan's temptation and then fell under the curse (sin) of that old beguiler, Lucifer. So now, as a result of this our world as we know it is dying slowly everyday, because of sin. I don't have my Bible with me at the moment but there is a Scripture reference about Adam's one choice to sin brought about death, but by another man's choice (Jesus) to live a righteous, blameless, holy life (sinless) life has brought us life. This does not do away with the remaining sin that is in this world. Death, sickness, people's choices our ecosystem it is all under the penalty of death due to sin in the world. It is our present salvation that will lead us into our future hope of glory where there will be no more sin, sickness, or sadness in the world.

Hope this helped!

 

[tranz4md]

God did give Adam and Eve as well as each of us a freewill to choose how we will respond to Him.

This right here proves his love for us. Choice. Love is not co-hersed or forced. God doesn't want a bunch of robots obeying His commands. He wants our love by choice. A willingness in our hearts out of love for Him to obey.

 

[AlexBP]

There are millions of people in the hospitals praying for God to heal them. God is too busy He can't hear prayers. He likes to watch people suffer. You want God to heal you, but why should He when there are 6.7 billion people need to be taken care of. Innocent people suffer fro things they didn't do. So what the rationality of God behind this?

Some people wrote out at length some very polite answers to your questions. Rather than dealing with those answers, you only post this. If you're uninterested in debate and only want to fling insults then perhaps you should find a new forum, because that's not what this forum is for.

Good day.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

The first question has to do with God not healing amputees.

Hi,

I will answer one of your questions. Some people have healed amputees. At the bottom of my website is a link to Freedom Ministries International God has used them to heal severed body parts. See http://www.futureandahope.net

 

[Annoula]

God is Love, but we don't live in Paradise, where everything is fine and beautiful.

we live on a material world - because we have fallen to this state by our own choice.

the characteristic of this world is death. and death implies a lot of pain and suffering through our lives.

how we deal with this inevitable pain in our lives will give us a better state in the afterlife or a worse one.

 

[contango]

Hi there, there are a few questions I like to bring to your attention. The first question has to do with God not healing amputees. God not answering our prayers the same way parents don't always give their kids what they have ask for. Perhaps a toy or a candy - that is understandable. However, what if the child just want to "hear" and "see" either because the child is death to certain extent (hearing impaired), or that the child has blur vision and therefore needed glasses. Will you as a parent deny the child's basic neccessities? Compare this analogy to God. Will God deny the child? If so, does this says more about God/parent more than the child? Is God not all loving?

One question relating to this is where we draw the line. It's easy to look at an extreme case (amputees, children born deformed etc) but as soon as we impose some kind of obligation upon God to heal them "just because" then what happens next? Do we look at people who are slightly less injured and demand that a loving God must heal them? Sooner or later we would be expecting every single person to be born physically perfect and remain that way for life. Sooner or later we have to accept that God is God and we are not.

My second question is, if the child lose an arm/leg due to sickness and diseases etc, not of his own fault, is that to much to ask for God to give him his arm/leg back?

As above, where do we draw the line?

Last question, there are many innocent that suffer and not of their own fault. What do you think is God's purpose to suffer innocent people so horribly as a Christian? I would like to hear your thoughts on these 3 questions and get better understanding from the Christian worldview.

God gave us free will, to love or not to love him. If I take a big stick and hit you with it, just because I feel like it, you will suffer through no fault of your own. The only way to take that suffering away is to take my free will away. In other words to prevent your suffering my free will must be overridden, so my love for God becomes worthless because it is absent the freedom to not love.

It doesn't even work to consider things like natural disasters. In a world where everybody lived a more Christ-like life these things would still happen but more people would be more willing to help those affected by it. People will always die - our life on this earth is known to be temporary. People will always suffer from things, but how much could God be glorified if his people took active steps to help those affected rather than simply seeing a TV appeal, calling to give $20 on their credit card, and then watching the rest of the show?

 

[hisgrace26]

Thanks all, for pointing me the right direction.