Christians can you help me understand this?

[hisgrace26]

Biblically speaking, it is God's will that human be saved and not perish. Now when it come to these little one, what if the child died at an early age for whatever reason (diseases, cancer, etc), is it not God's plan to give the child a chance to accept Jesus before the child leave earth? Why wiped them off at an early age when they did nothing wrong? What's the rationality behind this? Thanks!

 

[Spiritlight]

And God Said No


I asked God to take away my pride. And God said “No”.
He said it was not for Him to take away, but for me to give up.
I asked God to make my handicapped child whole. And God said “No”.
He said her spirit was whole, her body was only temporary.
I asked God to grant me patience. And God said “No”.
He said patience is a by-product of tribulations. It isn’t granted, it is earned.
I asked God to give me happiness. And God said “No”.
He said He gives me blessings, happiness is up to me.
I asked God to spare me pain. And God said “No”.
He said suffering draws me apart from worldly cares and brings me closer to Him.
I asked God to make my spirit grow. And God said “No”.
He said I must grow on my own. But He will prune me to make me fruitful.
I asked for all things that I might enjoy life. And God said “No”.
He said He will give me life, that I may enjoy all things.
I ask God to help me love others, as much as he loves me.
And God said “Ah, finally you have the idea!”
Copyright © Claudia Minden Weisz

 

[spiritman1]

Hi there, there are a few questions I like to bring to your attention. The first question has to do with God not healing amputees. God not answering our prayers the same way parents don't always give their kids what they have ask for. Perhaps a toy or a candy - that is understandable. However, what if the child just want to "hear" and "see" either because the child is death to certain extent (hearing impaired), or that the child has blur vision and therefore needed glasses. Will you as a parent deny the child's basic neccessities? Compare this analogy to God. Will God deny the child? If so, does this says more about God/parent more than the child? Is God not all loving?

My second question is, if the child lose an arm/leg due to sickness and diseases etc, not of his own fault, is that to much to ask for God to give him his arm/leg back?

Last question, there are many innocent that suffer and not of their own fault. What do you think is God's purpose to suffer innocent people so horribly as a Christian? I would like to hear your thoughts on these 3 questions and get better understanding from the Christian worldview.

This seems accurate because your stuck in time, and see only one dimension of someones life. It is much like seeing a catepillar spending its entire life crawling and squirming trying not to get eaten and missing the fact that in the future that catepillar is a beautiful radiant butterfly, soaring over what normally would of tooks weeks of walking, in a mere second. The life you see people live, or suffer in pain and agony is nothing in the grand scheme of things, the bible calls it a vapor and then its gone. And if your mad at God for allowing people to suffer in such cruel ways, Its not His will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance and have eternal life. If your wondering why He doesn't help them, Give them legs, sight, and ears. their still just catepillars when you die and realize the life on the otherside of the cocoon, the memory of being a catepillar will be forgotten in light of being a butterfly, everything will be new and whole.........unless you were a nasty catepillar who despised the creator of butterflies....then its a whole different scenario

 

[bling]

Biblically speaking, it is God's will that human be saved and not perish. Now when it come to these little one, what if the child died at an early age for whatever reason (diseases, cancer, etc), is it not God's plan to give the child a chance to accept Jesus before the child leave earth? Why wiped them off at an early age when they did nothing wrong? What's the rationality behind this? Thanks!

I did not address this in post 10 (I hope you read).

Again Death is not bad since it is the way good go to heaven and bad stop doing bad stuff.

The “innocent” are a different issue and really are not addressed directly in scripture. Scripture is addressing mature adults.

The “innocent” have not matured enough to sin, so they do not need to be “saved”, but are in a safe condition. The problem is they have also not had the opportunity to fulfill their earthly objective (explained in post 10). Earth is the only place where humans can fulfill their earthly object, so these children would inter heaven without Godly type Love, but would have a strong child for parent type Love.

It is truly unfortunate that everyone is not given the opportunity to obtain Godly type Love, but it has to be that way or no one would obtain that Love. This is a little complicated, but the system (the only workable method) for obtaining Godly type Love includes the possibility (and actually some would have to show that possibility by dying) that anyone and everyone can die. If you could only “die” after you became mature than no one would ever want or even try to become mature, for one thing.

 

[hisgrace26]

I did not address this in post 10 (I hope you read).

Again Death is not bad since it is the way good go to heaven and bad stop doing bad stuff.

The “innocent” are a different issue and really are not addressed directly in scripture. Scripture is addressing mature adults.

The “innocent” have not matured enough to sin, so they do not need to be “saved”, but are in a safe condition. The problem is they have also not had the opportunity to fulfill their earthly objective (explained in post 10). Earth is the only place where humans can fulfill their earthly object, so these children would inter heaven without Godly type Love, but would have a strong child for parent type Love.

It is truly unfortunate that everyone is not given the opportunity to obtain Godly type Love, but it has to be that way or no one would obtain that Love. This is a little complicated, but the system (the only workable method) for obtaining Godly type Love includes the possibility (and actually some would have to show that possibility by dying) that anyone and everyone can die. If you could only “die” after you became mature than no one would ever want or even try to become mature, for one thing.

Hi, thank you for your patience to help me understand more about this current topic. I have one question, you said children are innocent and therefore are not to blame and when they die they get access into heaven. That's fair enough. But on the contrary, the Bible also states that a baby is a sinner in the mother's womb. So how do you deal with this problem, and which one are we to choose? Thanks for your help.

 

[hisgrace26]

Thank you all for giving me guidence. There is too much response and I cannot respond to all. I will try to respond and ask question to the ones that I know. Thanks for the help.

 

[Biker Angel]

Christians... but that's in the Bible. So God stopped healing amputee? Inconsistence here.

No, I said that no man alive today has that kind of faith or power, meaning God can still do it but but man lacks the faith to believe He can, and can not really channel the power of God the way the OT prophets did.

 

[bling]

Hi, thank you for your patience to help me understand more about this current topic. I have one question, you said children are innocent and therefore are not to blame and when they die they get access into heaven. That's fair enough. But on the contrary, the Bible also states that a baby is a sinner in the mother's womb. So how do you deal with this problem, and which one are we to choose? Thanks for your help.

You are quoting Psalms 58: 3 Even from birth the wicked go astray;
from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies.

This is very poetic and not to be taken literally. Psalms is mostly poetry trying to emphasis in this passage how bad sinners are. How could an unborn baby spread lies?

 

[hisgrace26]

You are quoting Psalms 58: 3 Even from birth the wicked go astray;
from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies.

This is very poetic and not to be taken literally. Psalms is mostly poetry trying to emphasis in this passage how bad sinners are. How could an unborn baby spread lies?

That is probably speaking about the future when babies will grow up to be liars, but I could be wrong. it's just making a statement how babies turn out to be in general. One question: The bible says whoever believe the gospel will be saved, and whoever does not believe will be condemned. Well.... babies cannot believe. So are babies condemned? If God is all loving and merciful, He could forgive babies and they get to go to heaven. But why do WE need to believe in the gospel to be saved then? Why even need the gospel? If there is no gospel, everybody would not know Jesus, we would ALL be forgiven like babies because babies couldn't know either! But if the gospel goes out, some people will get to deny Jesus and then get condemned fior denying it. See the logic here? Might as well get rid of the gospel.

 

[hisgrace26]

Bump!

 

[GadFly]

Hi there, there are a few questions I like to bring to your attention. The first question has to do with God not healing amputees. God not answering our prayers the same way parents don't always give their kids what they have ask for. Perhaps a toy or a candy - that is understandable. However, what if the child just want to "hear" and "see" either because the child is death to certain extent (hearing impaired), or that the child has blur vision and therefore needed glasses. Will you as a parent deny the child's basic neccessities? Compare this analogy to God. Will God deny the child? If so, does this says more about God/parent more than the child? Is God not all loving?

My second question is, if the child lose an arm/leg due to sickness and diseases etc, not of his own fault, is that to much to ask for God to give him his arm/leg back?

Last question, there are many innocent that suffer and not of their own fault. What do you think is God's purpose to suffer innocent people so horribly as a Christian? I would like to hear your thoughts on these 3 questions and get better understanding from the Christian worldview.

Without having read all other responses, I give you an answer. First your question sounds like one that doubts there is a God and, therefor, your premise for asking is atheistic, whether or not you are an atheist. Your purpose appears to be to discredit God.

If you do believe in God, then you also believe in evil and Satan. We do not blame God for the evil that is in this world. We blame Satan, the old Snake. If you know a representative of Satan, go ask him for the answer to your question. I can tell you for a fact that Christ came to this world to correct all these evil things which Satan has done to this world including genetic accidents. Your anger is placed at the wrong feet.

You may not fully understand the goodness of God in this life but you ask a question about evil and you probably will never find an answer that will satisfy your anger and disappointments in life. I guess the answer you are forced to be satisfied with is the challenge that you overcome evil by doing good. That may be the only answer you will ever receive. You can live with this answer or cling to resentment of all things and believe God is the evil force in life and ignore Satan as the cause of your problems.

If you look to Christ and learn of him, you will find his burden is light and you can endure to the end and the beginning begins. I hope you understand the situation of this world. It is not always what we want it to be but it is always going to be this way until the end. Your joy and peace is not found in this world for there are always men and Satan to take it away. Eternal life in Christ never perishes. You cling to that and you will be a better person for it.

 

[GadFly]

Christians... but that's in the Bible. So God stopped healing amputee? Inconsistence here.

Do you know this for a fact?

 

[GadFly]

Hi, thank you for your patience to help me understand more about this current topic. I have one question, you said children are innocent and therefore are not to blame and when they die they get access into heaven. That's fair enough. But on the contrary, the Bible also states that a baby is a sinner in the mother's womb. So how do you deal with this problem, and which one are we to choose? Thanks for your help.

Superman2010, I understand your reasoning and do see that you are playing the devil's advocate. You are receiving some very good answers. I personally think you give some faulty information when you say babies are sinful in the mothers womb. You need to qualify that statement since Christ is the light that lghts everybody that comes into the world and Christ said the kingdom of God was like that of a child. I know for a fact that I was not born with sin in me other than I was incarnate in the flesh which did lead me to sin. After coming to age, I rediscovered that I needed a new birth from sin and the flesh. But as a child, I admit no fault to being unholy and I do not believe children are. There is of course that thing of the the flesh but we do have that all along in life.

The unique thing about Christ is that he was born in the form of sinful flesh but he overcame the flesh without sinning. He was the only man of the flesh to have done that. He was the only one ever to have the Spirit of God without measue because he was God.

 

[GadFly]

You are quoting Psalms 58: 3 Even from birth the wicked go astray;
from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies.

This is very poetic and not to be taken literally. Psalms is mostly poetry trying to emphasis in this passage how bad sinners are. How could an unborn baby spread lies?

We must agree with you bling. This is important information for people raising children and Proverbs 22: 6 points out the importance in training children early in life.

Prov:22:6: Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Jesus's and John the Baptists training began before their births as their Spirits communicated their awareness of God and there was no sin in either of their hearts. Right?

 

[GadFly]

That is probably speaking about the future when babies will grow up to be liars, but I could be wrong. it's just making a statement how babies turn out to be in general. One question: The bible says whoever believe the gospel will be saved, and whoever does not believe will be condemned. Well.... babies cannot believe. So are babies condemned? If God is all loving and merciful, He could forgive babies and they get to go to heaven. But why do WE need to believe in the gospel to be saved then? Why even need the gospel? If there is no gospel, everybody would not know Jesus, we would ALL be forgiven like babies because babies couldn't know either! But if the gospel goes out, some people will get to deny Jesus and then get condemned fior denying it. See the logic here? Might as well get rid of the gospel.

No, your question is misleading but nevertheless a good question. It does force us to highlight your faulty premise. We do not believe children can sin until they know the difference between good and evil. Once children understand the difference and knows to do good but does it not, from then on, the child needs a new spiritual birth. Only God knows when that time really comes and only God knows when children do not believe in God's words that are printed in each child's heart from birth. The child might be 12 or 30 when this happens. Only God knows the heart.

Otherwise, you are doing a good job in bringing out the best in your responders.

 

[GadFly]

I suspect but am not totally sure, I think you are pleased that respondents tore your premises apart. At least, I think Christians did an excellent job in defending their faith. In the end Christianity as preached by Christ does have all the answers that can be given to the problems of this life. Without Jesus Christ, there is no life and his children testify to this fact.

If this was your purpose I congratulate you. If I misread you, you did fail at your attempt to discredit the logos..

 

[hisgrace26]

But babies also have a sin nature and according to Jesus - whoever believes in Him will not perish. Babies cannot believe so are they perish? You might say that babies cannot sin until they reach an age of accountability, so by default they are saved by God. Ok then why is there a need for the gospel???

 

[Emmy]

Dear Superman2010. God is Love, that is a fact. Jesus came to Earth and died that we might live, and Jesus showed us the Father how He really is. God does not give us illnesses, and God does not ill-treat us. When God made us, He made us Good, but our World was alright in the beginning, and sadly it is imperfect now. There are many reasons for sufferings and people losing limbs, But it is not God`s doing. God made us in His image, we alone in this Universe can think and reason, we have good brains and also many good Doctors. The artificial limbs nowadays, are truly well made, and Medicine is greatly advanced. As for answering prayers, and giving little Titbits of goodies, as earthly parents do, our Heavenly Father leaves that to us, God will approve and bless us for showing our love and care for our neighbour, or any of our loved ones. Jesus told a Lawyer in Matthew: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. The second is like it: Love your neighbour as yourself." God wants our love freely given and no conditions asked. The World is changed from when God banished us to Earth, and it is NOT God`s fault, or doing. Jesus gave us the best advice in reminding us , that Love is what God, our neighbour, and the World wants. Many things go wrong, but it is not God doing it. There is however God`s eternal Law, Superman: " What we sow we will reap," and God told us which way to go. We choose, we have free will to do so, God does not force, or coerce us in any way. I say this with love. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[Emmy]

Christians can you help me understand this? I only just answered the Message from Superman2010, what happens when the replies are gone so quickly? Do I do something wrong? dear Monitor. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[Emmy]

Dear Monitor, I have done it again. Sorry to be so impatient. Greetings from Emmy.