Christians can you help me understand this?

[GadFly]

But babies also have a sin nature and according to Jesus - whoever believes in Him will not perish. Babies cannot believe so are they perish? You might say that babies cannot sin until they reach an age of accountability, so by default they are saved by God. Ok then why is there a need for the gospel???

Sorry, but you uterly fail to make a connection to where Christ said babies had a sinful nature. Your argument has already fallen apart and their is no logic that can rescue you. Twisting and dancing about will not help. It is time to man up and come clean. Your game is finished.

 

[hisgrace26]

Sorry, but you uterly fail to make a connection to where Christ said babies had a sinful nature. Your argument has already fallen apart and their is no logic that can rescue you. Twisting and dancing about will not help. It is time to man up and come clean. Your game is finished.

Jesus did not say babies have a sinful nature. But we know babies are sinner according to Psalms 58:3. Jesus says do not forbid these little one to come to Him. To me, these little one can know Jesus and understand Him. Some do and some don't. For example, handicap people don't. Jesus say He is the way, truth, and life. Nobody come to the Father but through Him. Then by necessity the handicap people cannot receive salvation because they cannot come to Jesus. Is that so hard to understand?? Why then do we need the gospel?? If God can saved the unlearned babies who cannot come to Jesus, why even give the gospel for us?

 

[bling]

That is probably speaking about the future when babies will grow up to be liars, but I could be wrong. it's just making a statement how babies turn out to be in general. One question: The bible says whoever believe the gospel will be saved, and whoever does not believe will be condemned. Well.... babies cannot believe. So are babies condemned? If God is all loving and merciful, He could forgive babies and they get to go to heaven. But why do WE need to believe in the gospel to be saved then? Why even need the gospel? If there is no gospel, everybody would not know Jesus, we would ALL be forgiven like babies because babies couldn't know either! But if the gospel goes out, some people will get to deny Jesus and then get condemned fior denying it. See the logic here? Might as well get rid of the gospel.

Every mature adult has lied at some time.

Did a baby decide not to believe the gospel?

The Bible is addressing mature adults that can decide and does not address infants or mentally challenged. The “infant” does not have to be “saved” since he/she has done nothing wrong (sinned).

The infant is “save”, but has not fulfilled their earthly objective so does not have Godly type Love.

The problem is fulfilling our earthly objective which is obtaining this Godly type Love so we can be like God Himself and thus Love Him and others with all our heart, soul, mind, and energy.

Rejecting the good news (Gospel) is rejecting God’s Love. God is trying to give you this wonderful most powerful force in all universes (Love) if you will just accept the gift as it was given (as pure charity). It is easily done by accepting God’s forgiveness. If a person continues to refuse this Love, they would not be happy in heaven since heaven is one huge Love Feast. God wants everyone to be happy, but some just refuse His help. They will not be happy in hell, but hell does help some with making the decision to accept God’s help, believe their sins are truly bad, and thus Love much since “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…”

 

[bling]

We must agree with you bling. This is important information for people raising children and Proverbs 22: 6 points out the importance in training children early in life.

Jesus's and John the Baptists training began before their births as their Spirits communicated their awareness of God and there was no sin in either of their hearts. Right?

Proverbs 22:6 might be more a warning than an admonition. In other words, If you allow a child to choose which way "he will go" he will not depart from it, So we need to choose the way we want the child to go and hope he sticks with it since it might not be the way he wanted to go?

Jesus was always around, but John was not eternal.

 

[hisgrace26]

Every mature adult has lied at some time.

Did a baby decide not to believe the gospel?

The Bible is addressing mature adults that can decide and does not address infants or mentally challenged. The “infant” does not have to be “saved” since he/she has done nothing wrong (sinned).

But the scripture says all are under sin including babies. They have a sinful nature with or without the gospel. The reason why God can saved babies who have done "nothing wrong" is because God is all loving. Why can't He do that for everybody and not just limit to babies? But you said because babies do nothing wrong. But they still have a sinful nature. Just like everybody. Like adults too. Yes.

 

[GadFly]

But the scripture says all are under sin including babies. They have a sinful nature with or without the gospel. The reason why God can saved babies who have done "nothing wrong" is because God is all loving. Why can't He do that for everybody and not just limit to babies? But you said because babies do nothing wrong. But they still have a sinful nature. Just like everybody. Like adults too. Yes.

Let me help you understand. We are born in sin because we are born in a secular world of sin, the world of the flesh. We can not sin until we know the difference between good and evil whenever that time comes, at 12 or 30 or 50. God judges us based on what we know. That is simple enough, is it not?

When you know and then reject God, whether you are an ignorant savage or a sophisticated rich man, it makes no difference. God judges according to the choice we make, whether that be life or death. You can have Christ in your heart without the vocabulary to say so. Just walk in the light. That will save all people.

Don't worry about the sinful nature. When you die, it is dead and gone. You just must simply put up with its temptations until the end. The miricle is that Christ did this without sinning. I don't think any of us are going to be able to do this. There you are, short and sweet

 

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[bling]

But the scripture says all are under sin including babies. They have a sinful nature with or without the gospel. The reason why God can saved babies who have done "nothing wrong" is because God is all loving. Why can't He do that for everybody and not just limit to babies? But you said because babies do nothing wrong. But they still have a sinful nature. Just like everybody. Like adults too. Yes.

The Bible talks about all will physically die because Adam and Eve sinned, but death is not bad and it is certainly not “bad” for infants. The Garden system without death, tragedies, Christ going to the cross, and sin was a lousy place for humans to fulfill their earthly objective, so we need death.
God does not save infants that have done nothing wrong since they do not need saving from their sins.

If by “sinful nature” you mean all mature adults will sin, yes; but that does not mean babies can sin.

If you think God should “save” everyone; meaning force everyone to go to heaven after they die; that would not be helpful to those that are willing to accept God’s help to accept God’s help. Out of love for those that can and will accept God’s help and thus fulfill their earthly objective, God allows those that continue and never will accept His help to go to hell and thus help those others to accept His help.

I think I have already pointed out; it would not be Loving on God’s part to force you to accept His Love (in some shotgun wedding type scenario, with God holding the shotgun). If this bride (gift of Love) is not something you value or want than you do not have to accept it and heaven is one huge Love feast so, you will not be happy there if you have shown you would never like Godly type Love.

 

[hisgrace26]

Let me help you understand. We are born in sin because we are born in a secular world of sin, the world of the flesh. We can not sin until we know the difference between good and evil whenever that time comes, at 12 or 30 or 50. God judges us based on what we know. That is simple enough, is it not?

When you know and then reject God, whether you are an ignorant savage or a sophisticated rich man, it makes no difference. God judges according to the choice we make, whether that be life or death. You can have Christ in your heart without the vocabulary to say so. Just walk in the light. That will save all people.

Don't worry about the sinful nature. When you die, it is dead and gone. You just must simply put up with its temptations until the end. The miricle is that Christ did this without sinning. I don't think any of us are going to be able to do this. There you are, short and sweet

So God doesn't judge babies by the sins of Adam? God only judge the baby based on what he know? And so babies cannot sin that is why they are saved. But what about the baby sin nature? You said don't worry about it... why not? Just because babies cannot sin yet doesn't mean they are forgiven? It will still count again them. Just like if you drive without knowing that you are speeding, you will get a ticket if the cop see you. Facts are facts! Just because you didn't know doesn't mean you are completely forgiven.

 

[bling]

So God doesn't judge babies by the sins of Adam? God only judge the baby based on what he know? And so babies cannot sin that is why they are saved. But what about the baby sin nature? You said don't worry about it... why not? Just because babies cannot sin yet doesn't mean they are forgiven? It will still count again them. Just like if you drive without knowing that you are speeding, you will get a ticket if the cop see you. Facts are facts! Just because you didn't know doesn't mean you are completely forgiven.

Do we through infants in jail for driving without a licence and speeding while doing it?

 

[hisgrace26]

Do we through infants in jail for driving without a licence and speeding while doing it?

Categorical mistake. We are not God.

God is infinite we are not.

 

[bling]

Categorical mistake. We are not God.

God is infinite we are not.

Babies do not sin so they have nothing to be forgiven of. They are in a save condition not needing to be saved.
The "sinful nature" just means you will sin and not that you have sin.

 

[christtoevo]

Seems to me you are just asking, why.