Christians being unfair to Mormons

[Yahwist]

First of all, I'd like to say that I'm a born-again Baptist believer and have
no intentions of becoming a mormon neither do I agree with everything
their theology says. However, I feel that I must express how appalled I
am at the attempt made by the majority of Christians on many so-called
Christian forums (most of which seem to bring much more hurt and
offenses than the Christian spirit) to ridicule the LDS faith.

For starters, there is our same-old judgmentalism. We confuse standing
up for sound doctrine with bashing other people's beliefs. Who are we
to say that mormons are not Christians?

Let us examine what makes one a Christian. Isn't Christian a person who
believes that Jesus is God and Lord over all (regardless of their beliefs
regarding the nature of the Trinity, since we as mortals will never get it
all figured out anyway), that He came to Earth born of a virgin and of
the Holy Spirit, that He died for our sins, so that we may live. And that
this is achieved by grace through faith in Him. Mormons, the real mormons (not the ones invented by the anti-mormon websites), truly
believe that.

Since when is agreeing with the protestant/evangelical canon a pre-requisite for salvation? Call the Book of Mormon a figment of the imagination of Joe Smith Jr., fine. I don't think it's inspired either. But
since when does that throw a mormon in hell? That would be like saying
that we have to believe in the Bible for salvation, not in Jesus. And that
my friends is as dangerous as having another book besides the Bible.

Second of all, I have found mormons far more Christian in their attitudes
than most Christians I know. When the missionaries I met mentioned the
'by their fruits you shall know them', I felt ashamed because I realized
that my Baptist community did way less for our own brethren than the
LDS did for theirs. And they were WAY more loving and respectful than
most of my Christian friends who, unlike Jesus, seem to be the first one
to pick up the first rock. I have seen many mormons here trying kindly
and genuinely to answer questions concerning their faith, only to have
disrespectful posts mocking their faith as responses. Let us disagree in
love, and show them in love if we think they are wrong. And let the
Father show each one what is true -- we do not convert anyone -- let alone if we ridicule what they believe.

Third, I have yet to see one faith which is more misinterpreted than the LDS faith. I have talked to many mormons, read many of their books only to find that 90% of what anti-mormon sites say is innacurate. I even saw one christian who had the nerve to tell a mormon he didn't
actually know what his church believed in. Yes, there are temple rituals
which are not done in the presence of everyone, but it is not true that
you only discover what they believe in once you are already a member.
And NONE of the mormons I have talked to were afraid to talk about
their beliefs, sometimes they didn't know the answer to the tougher questions, but then they asked their leaders or directed me to a teacher or something of that kind.

It is time we put our prejudice aside and learn to love mormons. They, too, can teach us some things about what it is to walk with Christ, if
we are humble enough to admit it. And if you think they're going to
hell over what they believe, try LOVING them rather then accusing them
of being servants of Satan. Who are we to judge people?

In Christ,
Yahwist

PS: Mormons out there, if I have said something absurd about your faith,
please do feel free to correct me.

 

[ZiSunka]

For starters, there is our same-old judgmentalism. We confuse standing up for sound doctrine with bashing other people's beliefs. Who are we to say that mormons are not Christians?

A Christian is a follower of the teachings of Christ. A mormon is a follwer of the teachings of Joseph Smith.

 

[Yahwist]

So a Lutheran is a follower of Luther.
A Presbyterean is a follower of Calvin.
A Methodist is a follower of John Wesley.
A Catholic is a follower of the Pope.
According to your criterium, all of us so-called Christians are followers of whomever founded our own religions. None of us belong to Christ, then.

Again, I'm not defending mormon theology, I'm only saying that our attitude towards them has been unchristian, to say the least.

 

[ZiSunka]

So a Lutheran is a follower of Luther.
A Presbyterean is a follower of Calvin.
A Methodist is a follower of John Wesley.
A Catholic is a follower of the Pope.
According to your criterium, all of us so-called Christians are followers of whomever founded our own religions. None of us belong to Christ, then.

Again, I'm not defending mormon theology, I'm only saying that our attitude towards them has been unchristian, to say the least.

Luther, Calvin, Wesley never wrote documents that they claimed superceded or extended or completed the Bible, and demanded that their followers use that as their primary text of the faith. Joseph Smith did. You have a point about the catholics, though.

When did Christ ever teach that all religions be accepted as valid and Christian as long as they mention Christ somewhere in their writings?

Instead, he told us to beware of people who would come along and try to get us to follow a different way, wolves in sheep's clothing, trying to trick us into believing error.

Mormons believe that each faithful mormon man will be god of his own planet. Nothing in orthodox Christian theology allows that to be true.

 

[Bruce S]

Start your research here, it will open up some interesting questions that might be posed:

http://www.carm.org/lds/compare.htm

 

[Yahwist]

So you're saying a Catholic isn't a Christian either?
BTW, Luther did not agree with the cannon we
have today. He believed some books were men-inspired (i.e. such as the Epistle of James, for instance). Therefore, should I also disregard the Lutherans?

Please forgive the insistence but, what makes one
a Christian? I am not saying just because a document mentions Christ it means people are Christian. What I am saying is that we should look
at what saves a person. If the person meets those primary requisites, then the person is saved DESPITE doctrinal errors. We may believe that the person is wrong, but we cannot say the person isn't saved. Are Roman Catholics, Orthodox Catholics, Ethiopic Christians and others all condemned to hell because they hold many of the apocrypha (many of which are considered by mainstream Christianity as a fabrication) as sacred? Each one of them has a different cannon...

If the Book of Mormon nullifies the blood of the Lamb, then it is most certainly much more powerful than even Joe Smith Jr. claimed it to be.

In the love of Christ,
Yahwist

 

[Yahwist]

Start your research here, it will open up some interesting questions that might be posed:


Yet another example of why mormons are sometimes sensitive to
discussing their beliefs. This site contains loads of inaccurate assumptions regarding the LDS faith.

But I'm not going to post what is wrong. My recommendation is that you visit Jeff Lindsay's website (I'm not going to post links not to violate any
rules regarding the promotion of non-mainstream websites). Plus I'm going to let any mormons out there tell you what they really believe.

Do we want to start a dialogue with mormons, then we should let THEM
show what they believe, rather than what WE assume they believe.

In Christ,
Yahwist

 

[layne]

Yahwist, I totally agree with you. I feel the same way about people viewing Mormons and JW's as a cult. It's definitely unbiblical to judge others, especially about something we can't prove right or wrong. I like talking to people about the bible, but not which sect I feel is right. It's a personal choice between your and God as to which religion or denomination you follow.

 

[Yahwist]

Yahwist, I totally agree with you. I feel the same way about people viewing Mormons and JW's as a cult. It's definitely unbiblical to judge others, especially about something we can't prove right or wrong. I like talking to people about the bible, but not which sect I feel is right. It's a personal choice between your and God as to which religion or denomination you follow.

Layne,
Especially because mormons do not even deny the deity of Christ, as,
for example, JW's do. If we do not learn how to love people and actually
HEAR what they have to say, how can we share our faith with them?

I for one have learned a lot from mormons on how to be loving towards
my neighbor. We protestants and evangelicals brag about being the ones
who 'have it all sorted out' but are we showing the fruits Christ said his
Church would?

In Him,
Yahwist

 

[calgal]

That is absurd. The Presbyterians, Methodists and Lutherans are NOT taught to revere Calvin. Wesley or Luther. For that matter, Wesleyans are not worshipping John and Charles Wesley. They worship Christ. Mormons on the other hand put Joseph Smith, a conman and pedophile on the same level as Jesus, the Son of God. Nice straw man but try reading about Lutherans, Calvinists, Methodists and other Protestants from a non Deseret Book reference text.

So a Lutheran is a follower of Luther.
A Presbyterean is a follower of Calvin.
A Methodist is a follower of John Wesley.
A Catholic is a follower of the Pope.
According to your criterium, all of us so-called Christians are followers of whomever founded our own religions. None of us belong to Christ, then.

Again, I'm not defending mormon theology, I'm only saying that our attitude towards them has been unchristian, to say the least.

 

[Yahwist]

Mormons on the other hand put Joseph Smith, a conman and pedophile on the same level as Jesus, the Son of God

Then mormons here in Brazil are completely different from the ones in
the US, for I have yet to see a mormon worship Joseph Smith, or put
him on the same level as Jesus.

I've been to some LDS services as a visitor (I wanted to see it with my
own eyes, not simply to believe what I'd been told by anti-mormon websites), and in some of them JS's name wasn't even mentioned. Do they respect him and regard him as a prophet of God? Yes, they surely do. But that is way far from what you're saying.

I've attended Methodist churches (my great grand-dad was a Methodist
pastor) where the leadership was revered almost as one of the apostles
themselves. And when a pastor was accused of pedophilia, the answer
was 'touch not my anointed'.

My mother was almost expelled from a presbyterian church because the
pastor insisted that there was such a thing as 'God the mother' (if there
is a Father then there has to be a mother). The council of presbyters
found that my mom had NO RIGHT to question someone who held
the priesthood.

At the (trinitarian) pentecostal church I used to attend, once the
prime-bishop told us that the alien invasions we'd been hearing of were
the beginning of the end of the world. When it obviously didn't happen,
people preferred to believe they had misquoted him than to say that
he was wrong. Another minister from the same church once prophesied
a revival in Rio that never happened. But, no, 'touch not the pastors of my flock'.

You see, it's this kind of judgmental attitude that makes it virtually
impossible to share our faith with mormons. Are we looking at our own
churches' flaws before throwing rocks at other people's?

In Christ,
Yahwist

 

[Philo]

Mormonism has about as much to do with Christianity as Islam. You want to know why I rally against the LDS? Do you want to know the black, ugly truth of the matter? Really, do you have any idea what it is you are spouting at all? I don't mean to come off as offensive, but I'm afraid you've become victim to the "Mormon Martyr" attitude so pervasive in LDS culture.

The LDS prostitute the symbols of my faith to thier own perverse ends. The fruits of Mormonism are noxious and foul, and more often than not hidden from public view. There's a reason they "seem" so nice and Christian... It's dictated in Mormon culture. It's a ploy, an advertisement, a clever distraction. If I believed in a magic leprechaun born of a virgin who died for the sins of the world and his name happened to be Jesus, would I be saved? What if I also believed that salvation had very little to do with fellowship with God and a whole lot to do with having my own planet? How about if I thought that Jesus was the brother of Satan, that black people were inherently worse than white people, that Christs' blood cannot atone for the sins of all? Well, like it or not, at one time or another, all these positions have been held by the Mormon church. Also, don't go to Mormon apologists' websites. They'll tell you that tapirs and horses are probably the same animal.

PS

Righteous indignation is perfectly Christlike. I feel the need to turn some tables now and again.

 

[MizDoulos]

Note to all: Before the discussion becomes too emotional and out of hand, please think twice before posting any further comments. While everyone has his own opinions, let's respect the views of others and respond in kindness.

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[Yahwist]

Philo,
I'll reply to your message in parts...

> Mormonism has about as much to do with Christianity as Islam.

That's funny. LDS views Christ as God the Son (okay, maybe not exactly the same way Trinitarians do, but since when is Trinitarianism a condition to be saved?). Islam says Christ was only a man.

>I don't mean to come off as offensive, but I'm afraid you've become
> victim to the "Mormon Martyr" attitude so pervasive in LDS culture.

No offense taken. But I've been a Christian for 24 years, and I haven't become a victim of anything. HOWEVER, it is true that the LDS is the most beaten-up religion in most Christian forums. It comes as NO surprise at all that they are sensitive when talking to other Christians.

> The LDS prostitute the symbols of my faith to thier own perverse
> ends. The fruits of Mormonism are noxious and foul, and more often
> than not hidden from public view. There's a reason they "seem" so
> nice and Christian... It's dictated in Mormon culture. It's a ploy, an
> advertisement, a clever distraction.

You sound as if mormons were involved in a diabolical conspiracy to
deceive people. I'm sorry, I refuse to believe that.

> If I believed in a magic leprechaun born of a virgin who died for the
> sins of the world and his name happened to be Jesus, would I be
> saved?

God alone is the judge of one's salvation. I fail to see anywhere in the Bible that if someone has a different view on the Trinity then that person
is not saved. Do you realize it took CENTURIES for Christians to figure
out Trinitarianism? And let's be honest here: how many people in our
churches even KNOW the attributes of the Trinity? I've found that interviewing people at my local Baptist church revealed that most people
hold views that are unorthodox. Why? Because the Trinity is a tough
one.

>That if I also believed that salvation had very little to do with >fellowship with God and a whole lot to do with having my own planet?

Since when do mormons not strive for a relationship with God?

> How about if I thought that Jesus was the brother of Satan, that
> black people were inherently worse than white people, that Christs'
> blood cannot atone for the sins of all? Well, like it or not, at one time > or another, all these positions have been held by the Mormon church.

Would you care to point out where in Mormon history they ever held that
Christ's blood cannot atone for sins?

> Also, don't go to Mormon apologists' websites. They'll tell you that
> tapirs and horses are probably the same animal.

The mormon apologists websites I've been to seem to be far more logical
than those of their attackers. It's funny how other Christians attack
mormons for being cultic and yet they seem to hold a cultic attitude
when they attack mormons. They accuse mormons of avoiding theological confrontations and from what I've seen it's almost always
Christians who start ATTACKING first. They refuse to take mormons'
arguments into consideration. They refuse to debate what mormons say
they believe, always accusing them of either not knowing or hiding what
they truly believe. I've even come across an absurd e-mail on the net in
which a Christian told a mormon apologist he didn't REALLY know what
his church believed in. That's why I urge Christians to reconsider their
approach to mormonism. We should put our (unchristian) hatred aside
and investigate what they REALLY believe, and debate it within the
scriptures. I have yet to find a mormon here in Brazil who would 'run
away' from a healthy theological debate.

> Righteous indignation is perfectly Christlike. I feel the need to turn
> some tables now and again.

Don't you think righteous indignation is different from persecution?
You are obviously referring to the episode in which Christ turned tables
at the temple. However, Christ could see those people's HEARTS. Can
you see the mormons' hearts? How can you be sure mormons do not
love Christ and the Father? Are you really giving a good Christian example
by ridiculing their faith or accusing them to be involved in a Satanic conspiracy? How are you ever going to invite them to go to your church?

In Christ,
Yahwist

 

[Yahwist]

Obediah,

[Edited by a moderator]

> they seek after a false unbiblical image of Christ.

Exactly what is false and unbiblical about how they see Christ?
It's funny how we, protestants and evangelicals, brag about being pro-sola scripture, but we DO have a traditional view of Christ, the Trinity,
which is how we interpret the Bible. The COMPLETE concept of the Trinity as we hold it is a CONCLUSION we come to after reading the Bible, but it's not the only possible interpretation.

> All you need to do is look at their doctrine; they are so far out it is
> frightful.

I know. I never said I agreed with their doctrine.

> Look for website "let us reason"

Why? Most of these sites contain erroneous information about what LDS truly believes, most of them refuse to take LDS's responses seriously,
and seem more interested in attacking LDS leadership than truly refuting
LDS theology through scripture.

In Christ,
Yahwist

 

[calgal]

Sounds to me like the sales pitch worked. And there is NO God the Mother unless of course one is Pagan. They have a God and Goddess as part of most Wiccan traditions (Dianics leave the "God" off entirely). I have never seen a Protestant church revere pastors in the way you describe unless you include the ICOC or other cult. A pastor is not larger than life but a posessor of God given gifts. I get the feeling that you bought the LDS sales pitch hook line and sinker for some reason and I suggest for the sake of your soul that you rethink this fast. Touch not the pastors of my flock? What verse of scripture is that?

Mormonism is a pagan religion with a twisted pseudo christian overlay. Simple as that.

Then mormons here in Brazil are completely different from the ones in
the US, for I have yet to see a mormon worship Joseph Smith, or put
him on the same level as Jesus.

I've been to some LDS services as a visitor (I wanted to see it with my
own eyes, not simply to believe what I'd been told by anti-mormon websites), and in some of them JS's name wasn't even mentioned. Do they respect him and regard him as a prophet of God? Yes, they surely do. But that is way far from what you're saying.

I've attended Methodist churches (my great grand-dad was a Methodist
pastor) where the leadership was revered almost as one of the apostles
themselves. And when a pastor was accused of pedophilia, the answer
was 'touch not my anointed'.

My mother was almost expelled from a presbyterian church because the
pastor insisted that there was such a thing as 'God the mother' (if there
is a Father then there has to be a mother). The council of presbyters
found that my mom had NO RIGHT to question someone who held
the priesthood.

At the (trinitarian) pentecostal church I used to attend, once the
prime-bishop told us that the alien invasions we'd been hearing of were
the beginning of the end of the world. When it obviously didn't happen,
people preferred to believe they had misquoted him than to say that
he was wrong. Another minister from the same church once prophesied
a revival in Rio that never happened. But, no, 'touch not the pastors of my flock'.

You see, it's this kind of judgmental attitude that makes it virtually
impossible to share our faith with mormons. Are we looking at our own
churches' flaws before throwing rocks at other people's?

In Christ,
Yahwist

 

[Serapha]

First of all, I'd like to say that I'm a born-again Baptist believer and have
no intentions of becoming a mormon neither do I agree with everything
their theology says. However, I feel that I must express how appalled I
am at the attempt made by the majority of Christians on many so-called
Christian forums (most of which seem to bring much more hurt and
offenses than the Christian spirit) to ridicule the LDS faith.

....

It is time we put our prejudice aside and learn to love mormons. They, too, can teach us some things about what it is to walk with Christ, if
we are humble enough to admit it. And if you think they're going to
hell over what they believe, try LOVING them rather then accusing them
of being servants of Satan. Who are we to judge people?

In Christ,
Yahwist

PS: Mormons out there, if I have said something absurd about your faith,
please do feel free to correct me.

Hi there!



I am not going to send you to any "anti-mormon sites and I am not going to "bash" mormonism. I am going to post some facts that I have seen/read/heard in the "first person" in the last four weeks.


1. I have read over 270 responses from professing mormons who worship the goddess, the Heavenly Mother, and not the "God" of mormonism.

2. I have had numerous conversations with professing mormons who are also professing wiccans. The concept is simple, the god/goddess that the wiccan worships is the Heavenly Father/Heavenly Mother, but particularly the Heavenly Mother.

3. I have researched at least four "archaeological" proofs" that are claimed to be supporting the Book of Mormon. I have added these four "proofs" to my extended list of "failed proofs" as there are no archaeolgoical supports for the Book of Mormon.

4. I have been to services in the ward meetinghouse and observed the communion service of leavened bread and water. I didn't see any "remembrance" of Jesus Christ and the blood that was shed for my sins in the water of that communion service.

5. I was personally told that no mormon should read materials that are not published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as other materials were compared to arsnic added to a cake's ingredients. It might look like a cake and it might smell like a cake, but it will kill you spiritually.... that was the reference to materials outside the church.


6. I have re-read the part of Lucifer in the church teachings. Are you aware of the temply rituals which include worship to Lucifer? That part is staggering to me.

7. I read concerning the "sisterhood" of mormonism... the strong right arm of the church that controls a large portion of the mass media in the southwest, of the number of LDS's who work for the CIA, of the 'blood atonement" of the beleiver.... none of that is a "good thing" for the common good of this country.

8. I do love the mormon people, I love them enought not to allow them to be lost by errors in the church's teachings. I love them enough that I cannot continue to look away.


9. I learned the following....




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~malaka~

 

[Alma]

What a perfect example of Yahwist’s comments! I wonder where people get this stuff?

I am not going to send you to any "anti-mormon sites and I am not going to "bash" mormonism. I am going to post some facts that I have seen/read/heard in the "first person" in the last four weeks.

1. I have read over 270 responses from professing mormons who worship the goddess, the Heavenly Mother, and not the "God" of mormonism.

Absolutely astounding! I consider myself as a reasonably well read Mormon who is familiar with lots of other Mormons. I have never encountered a Mormon who worshipped "the goddess, the Heavenly Mother." Yet you find over 270 responses in a couple of weeks’ time? I have heard of one "professing Mormon" who insisted on praying to the "heavenly Mother." Her name is Janice Allred, and she was excommunicated from the LDS Church for that behavior. How have you encountered so many like minded individuals who have managed to retain their membership in the face of such heretical behavior? (That’s the polite way of saying, "I don’t believe you."

2. I have had numerous conversations with professing mormons who are also professing wiccans. The concept is simple, the god/goddess that the wiccan worships is the Heavenly Father/Heavenly Mother, but particularly the Heavenly Mother.

ditto. Could you direct me to a professing Mormon who is also a professing Wiccan? I’d use the term "professing" to describe someone who actually believes the religion rather than one who hasn’t yet been expelled for heresy. (I’m still trying to be polite.)

3. I have researched at least four "archaeological" proofs" that are claimed to be supporting the Book of Mormon. I have added these four "proofs" to my extended list of "failed proofs" as there are no archaeolgoical supports for the Book of Mormon.

I’m a long term Mormon and don’t believe that there is archaeological proof for either the Book of Mormon or the miracles of the Bible. That’s because I don’t believe that matters of faith require proof. Could you explain why you think matters of faith should or could be proved?

4. I have been to services in the ward meetinghouse and observed the communion service of leavened bread and water. I didn't see any "remembrance" of Jesus Christ and the blood that was shed for my sins in the water of that communion service.

Well, maybe you didn’t listen to the prayers and were distracted by the symbols. I don’t recall that God stipulated that unleavened bread was essential to remember Jesus’ sacrifice –passover maybe, but why get stuck on unimportant particulars? As far as using water in our sacrament services, I’m reminded that when the soldier pierced the Lord’s side, out came blood and water. (See John 19:34) And to think that Mormons are accused of being Pharisees!

5. I was personally told that no mormon should read materials that are not published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as other materials were compared to arsnic added to a cake's ingredients. It might look like a cake and it might smell like a cake, but it will kill you spiritually.... that was the reference to materials outside the church.

I wonder who it was who told you that? In nearly 50 years as a Mormon no one has ever told me not to read materials not published by the LDS Church. I know of no Mormons would even consider such a ludicrous restriction. How would they ever get through school? I don’t know of any calculus or engineering or medical books published by the LDS Church. What would a student do? Perhaps you meant religious texts? I often hear LDS leaders quote non-LDS writers and theologians as C. S. Lewis, George MacDonald and Augustine. I wonder how they encountered these writings if "no Mormon" should read such things? Are you sure this is something you learned rather than dreamed up?

6. I have re-read the part of Lucifer in the church teachings. Are you aware of the temply rituals which include worship to Lucifer? That part is staggering to me.

Staggering to me too. There are lots of exposes of LDS temple ceremonies. Could you site even one of them that claims to demonstrate that "temply rituals" worship Lucifer? That really is just nothing more than nonsense.

7. I read concerning the "sisterhood" of mormonism... the strong right arm of the church that controls a large portion of the mass media in the southwest, of the number of LDS's who work for the CIA, of the 'blood atonement" of the beleiver.... none of that is a "good thing" for the common good of this country.

?
Wow.
Alma

 

[Serapha]

What a perfect example of Yahwist’s comments! I wonder where people get this stuff?
Originally Posted By: Malaka

I am not going to send you to any "anti-mormon sites and I am not going to "bash" mormonism. I am going to post some facts that I have seen/read/heard in the "first person" in the last four weeks.

1. I have read over 270 responses from professing mormons who worship the goddess, the Heavenly Mother, and not the "God" of mormonism.



Absolutely astounding! I consider myself as a reasonably well read Mormon who is familiar with lots of other Mormons. I have never encountered a Mormon who worshipped "the goddess, the Heavenly Mother." Yet you find over 270 responses in a couple of weeks’ time? I have heard of one "professing Mormon" who insisted on praying to the "heavenly Mother." Her name is Janice Allred, and she was excommunicated from the LDS Church for that behavior. How have you encountered so many like minded individuals who have managed to retain their membership in the face of such heretical behavior? (That’s the polite way of saying, "I don’t believe you."


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi there!



I wonder if you can "excommunicate" the image of what I have been told is the heavenly mother in the celestial room of the Salt Lake temple. For that matter, if the image is not the heavenly mother... what image would be worthy of being within the Salt Lake temple other than the heavenly mother?


Now... if you want to read... and contact these people... I suggest that you sign up on any forum for mormonism and goddess worship. You may find them all over the internet.... yahoo has one... beleifnet has one...

(that is the polite way of say, "If you look for them, you will find them")


However, if you approach one of the people... I am certain that the entire forum will "clam up"... because these people don't want to be excommunicated.... If I may quote one person....



(this is a professing LDS)

Here, in the South, as an assertive and influential female, I
sometimes have difficulties with the "good ole boy network" - hence
the intense patriarchal nature of the south. Point being, there is a
resurgence of Goddess worship, albeit true, but hidden here.

and another...


"Please don't leave the Church. Mormonism is big enough to encompass all truth, if we let it. Pagans are on the march. There aren't many of us, but as Andy said, "The
pagans are alive and well in the Mormon church, and they are moving forward, armed with some of the strongest testimonies and purest motives that can be found in any religion today."




If you do a search of goddess+mormonism... you will find a lot of information..

Questions?

~malaka~

 

[Serapha]

Hi there!



You stated,

2. I have had numerous conversations with professing mormons who are also professing wiccans. The concept is simple, the god/goddess that the wiccan worships is the Heavenly Father/Heavenly Mother, but particularly the Heavenly Mother.
ditto. Could you direct me to a professing Mormon who is also a professing Wiccan? I’d use the term "professing" to describe someone who actually believes the religion rather than one who hasn’t yet been expelled for heresy. (I’m still trying to be polite.)


Well, alma,

Most of this information will probably be edited out by the monitors as I would assume wiccan information is not to be exalted on this forum. ... so ... what you do is type in your address line... "wiccan" and "mormon" and you will get information to answer your question.



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