Christians are not commanded to observe the seventh day.

[masmpg]

Hello Masmpg.

The scripture says the Jews were under the law.

I don't mean to disagree but this is an important issue.
Here are all the verses that mention "under the law".
Where does it state that the "jews" were the only ones who were "under the law"? Paul says it to the romans, the corinthians and to the galatians.

Ro:3:19: Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Ro:6:14: For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Ro:6:15: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
1Co:9:20: And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co:9:21: To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
Ga:3:23: But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Ga:4:4: But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Ga:4:5: To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Ga:4:21: Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Ga:5:18: But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[klutedavid]

Hello Masmpg.

Thanks for your question, and yes, this is the paramount issue in Christianity.

Where does it state that the "jews" were the only ones who were "under the law"?

If you can navigate your way through these verses and others for that matter. Then you will fully understand the revelation of the Christ.

The book of Exodus states the following.

Exodus 34:27
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."

The Jews (Israel) were in the covenant with God, to obey all His laws. This covenant was not made with the other nations.

Paul says it to the romans, the corinthians and to the galatians.

In chapter two of Romans, Paul is addressing the Jews in the Roman church.

Romans 2
17 But if you bear the name “Jew” and rely upon the Law.

This is the start of a very long discussion, that Paul has with the Jews in Rome. This long discourse finishes in chapter ten of the letter to the Romans.

The letter to the Galatians emphasizes that the Galatians, are not under the law.

Galatians 4
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

See, the Galatians were desiring to be under the law. Someone had told the Galatians that they needed to obey the law. Paul would not let the Galatians put themselves under the law.

1Co:9:20: And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

Your quotation is incorrect. What Bible translation are you using?

1 Corinthians 9 (NASB)
19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself slave to all, so that I may win more. 20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law.

 

[masmpg]

I know that the jews were "under the law" but everyone who is not obeying the law is under the law.

It works like this. If I were driving down the road going the speed limit am I under that law? No I am not, that law has nothing to do with me until I am breaking it. Say I was speeding and got a ticket and had to go before the judge. He has all the power to dismiss my case by grace, or condemn me to the full extent of the law. What does that do to the law? Does it magically do away with the law? No it does not. So if I break the law again I have to appear before the judge, which in the case of Christianity is actually the law itself which judges us, or should I say points out our wrong doing, sin, unrighteousness etc. Whenever we break that law we have to confess and repent of it. We are not magically exempt from obedience by grace. In fact grace was given for obedience according to Romans:1:5: "By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" Grace gives us the power to overcome all sin in our lives by looking to the cross when we are tempted, which is the most obvious display of God's grace.

The Christian walk is fraught with victory after victory. How can anyone have victory if they believe they will never stop sinning.

I choose the KJV over all the rest because ever since satan flooded the world with counterfeit translations there is far too much speculation and accusations about which version is more accurate, or more inspired, etc. The KJV has served Christianity well for over 400 years.

 

[klutedavid]

Hello Masmpg.

Thanks for your reply.

I know that the jews were "under the law" but everyone who is not obeying the law is under the law.

That is incorrect, the Jews were definitely under the law. The Gentiles were certainly not under the law.

It works like this. If I were driving down the road going the speed limit am I under that law?

You are under the traffic laws of the country that you are driving within. The speed signs will be posted so that you do not break the law. Every country has a different set of laws and penalties.

No I am not, that law has nothing to do with me until I am breaking it. Say I was speeding and got a ticket and had to go before the judge. He has all the power to dismiss my case by grace, or condemn me to the full extent of the law. What does that do to the law? Does it magically do away with the law? No it does not. So if I break the law again I have to appear before the judge, which in the case of Christianity is actually the law itself which judges us, or should I say points out our wrong doing, sin, unrighteousness etc. Whenever we break that law we have to confess and repent of it. We are not magically exempt from obedience by grace.

You are not under the law, you never were under the law.

Your flesh is already dead due to sin, the flesh cannot be purified by legal obedience. You have been baptized into Christ's death.

In fact grace was given for obedience according to Romans:1:5: "By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" Grace gives us the power to overcome all sin in our lives by looking to the cross when we are tempted, which is the most obvious display of God's grace.

Obedience to the faith, not obedience to the law. We live in the Spirit and not in the flesh. Our flesh has already been condemned.

The Christian walk is fraught with victory after victory. How can anyone have victory if they believe they will never stop sinning.

In the flesh, your sin is legion, crucify your flesh. You are a new creation in Christ, now start living as a new creature in Christ.

I choose the KJV over all the rest because ever since satan flooded the world with counterfeit translations there is far too much speculation and accusations about which version is more accurate, or more inspired, etc. The KJV has served Christianity well for over 400 years.

The KJV is ranked down on the ladder for the accuracy of it's translation.

 

[more4less]

Some claim that all christians are commanded by God to keep the seventh day holy. That is not true.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

The Sabbath was made for mankind, but mankind was never made for the Sabbath. Just like a bed, that it is made for us to rest, but we were not made so that the bed can have company. God had wanted them to remembered the Sabbath, the period that they will always will be with God, resting in His bosom. But we have forgotten it. But God has His ways of helping us to look forward of being with Him.

 

[Bob S]

God gave the Israelites a set of laws to abide by. He also gave Gentiles a set of laws to live by. They were not all the same laws. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. When it comes to those on this site who are pro old covenant ritual law, you always point to the law of Moses and refute the fact that God also gave Christians a new set of laws. He did this through Jesus at the Cross. His shed blood that ratified the new covenant. It is a better covenant than all the other covenants he gave to mankind. It is a covenant for all mankind. This new and everlasting covenant invites all who are wiling to give up living for themselves in sin to join Jesus and claim His promises. Jesus prompted Paul to write what he did about the old covenant law, Torah, and you old covenant believers can try to twist his writings to suit your preconceived ideas, but you certainly are not convincing believers led by the Holy Spirit. When Jesus in Matt 5:16,17 is understood correctly all all scripture following this falls into place. Verses like Col 2:16-19, 2Cor 3:7-11 and my favorite verses 1Jn 3:19-24 are able to be understood.

God' speed as you venture to re-study God's Word for today.

 

[more4less]

God gave the Israelites a set of laws to abide by. He also gave Gentiles a set of laws to live by. They were not all the same laws. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. When it comes to those on this site who are pro old covenant ritual law, you always point to the law of Moses and refute the fact that God also gave Christians a new set of laws. He did this through Jesus at the Cross. His shed blood that ratified the new covenant. It is a better covenant than all the other covenants he gave to mankind. It is a covenant for all mankind. This new and everlasting covenant invites all who are wiling to give up living for themselves in sin to join Jesus and claim His promises. Jesus prompted Paul to write what he did about the old covenant law, Torah, and you old covenant believers can try to twist his writings to suit your preconceived ideas, but you certainly are not convincing believers led by the Holy Spirit. When Jesus in Matt 5:16,17 is understood correctly all all scripture following this falls into place. Verses like Col 2:16-19, 2Cor 3:7-11 and my favorite verses 1Jn 3:19-24 are able to be understood.

God' speed as you venture to re-study God's Word for today.

Most people doesn't know that there were more than just the weekly Sabbath that they were to followed. There were the High Sabbaths that happens every 49 years (The Jubilee). Every 49 years are 7 yearly Sabbath. On the seventh Sabbatical year , is one of the High Sabbath, the Jubilee. During that year everyone were to go back to the place that their has originated, like if your family is from Bethlehem, like Mary and Joseph, that they must return to there homeland. And during that sabbatical year, that everyone must forgive those that has sinned against them, eventhough if they were like Barabbas. That they must be freed like the Hebrews were freed on the 7th sabbatical years from the time they had enter Egypt, which means that they were freed to go out into the desert to worship their God for 7 years, before the final judgement. But during those years, they did not honor Him, and were sentenced to spend time in the wilderness for another 40 years until all of those that were at responsible age had died off. And so that there should not be anyone holding any animosity or grudges against no one, they must be Holy during those 7 years. Even they must not work during those years like during the time of Joseph and his family had done while the 7 years of famine.

 

[BobRyan]

Most people doesn't know that there were more than just the weekly Sabbath that they were to followed. There were the High Sabbaths that happens every 49 years (The Jubilee). Every 49 years are 7 yearly Sabbath. On the seventh Sabbatical year , is one of the High Sabbath, the Jubilee. During that year everyone were to go back to the place that their has originated, like if your family is from Bethlehem, like Mary and Joseph, that they must return to there homeland. And during that sabbatical year, that everyone must forgive those that has sinned against them, eventhough if they were like Barabbas. That they must be freed like the Hebrews were freed on the 7th sabbatical years from the time they had enter Egypt, which means that they were freed to go out into the desert to worship their God for 7 years, before the final judgement. But during those years, they did not honor Him, and were sentenced to spend time in the wilderness for another 40 years until all of those that were at responsible age had died off. And so that there should not be anyone holding any animosity or grudges against no one, they must be Holy during those 7 years. Even they must not work during those years like during the time of Joseph and his family had done while the 7 years of famine.

A few people don't know that those annual Sabbaths were rooted in animal sacrifices and offerings which Hebrews 10 states - are ended at the cross.

But almost everyone knows that the weekly Sabbath - commandment states in Ex 20:11 that the Genesis 1-2:3 pre-fall-of-man action of God "alone" establishes the weekly Sabbath as binding upon all mankind.

It is the weekly Sabbath of the TEN Commandments that is kept inside the ark and written on stone - not the other sabbaths -- the "Shadow Sabbaths".

Thus in Isaiah 66:23 for all eternity "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"

 

[more4less]

A few people don't know that those annual Sabbaths were rooted in animal sacrifices and offerings which Hebrews 10 states - are ended at the cross.

But almost everyone knows that the weekly Sabbath - commandment states in Ex 20:11 that the Genesis 1-2:3 pre-fall-of-man action of God "alone" establishes the weekly Sabbath as binding upon all mankind.

It is the weekly Sabbath of the TEN Commandments that is kept inside the ark and written on stone - not the other sabbaths -- the "Shadow Sabbaths".

Thus in Isaiah 66:23 for all eternity "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"

Jesus is our Sabbath, our rest. In the beginning, Adam and Eve have never entered that rest, God's final event, and that is to merge with His creation. They had sinned before that event ever taken place. In this verse, that it is referring to Adam and Eve, and the Hebrews, eventhough they had celebrated Sabbath, but never enter this rest; that they has not entered the rest because of their disobedience. But the people had believed that they has entered that rest, but remember that God said that they will never enter my rest (Sabbath). Which means that no one has entered it yet. And so they were just practicing a dress rehearsal of this Sabbath. The only one that had rest on the seventh day, that it only mentioned God alone was the only one, but not his creation.

Psalm 95 For forty years I was angry with that generation;
I said, ‘They are a people whose hearts go astray,
and they have not known my ways.’
11 So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:




Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/New-Moon-Jewish-festival

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus is our Sabbath,

Sounds good to me.

But I prefer an actual Bible text for it.

. In the beginning, Adam and Eve have never entered that rest,

sounds highly speculative.

The unfallen sinless Adam and Eve were in perfect harmony with God.

 

[BobRyan]

6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, l

Instead of saying "Moses, Enoch and Elijah did not enter My rest because the kingdom of heaven had not come to earth" --

The text says "SOME" it says it remains for SOME to enter and those who had the Gospel preached to them and yet did not enter - was simply due to "Disobedience"

 

[more4less]

Sounds good to me.

But I prefer an actual Bible text for it.



sounds highly speculative.

The unfallen sinless Adam and Eve were in perfect harmony with God.

“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.

Well, Paul was letting them to know that the world has been finished long before they existed. That many of Sabbath clebration has went by. That no one has entered this Sabbath. And so Paul was stating to them that no one has entered this Sabbath. And so it still stands for someone to enter it.

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus is our Sabbath,

Sounds good to me.

But I prefer an actual Bible text for it.

. In the beginning, Adam and Eve have never entered that rest,

sounds highly speculative.

The unfallen sinless Adam and Eve were in perfect harmony with God.

“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.

That text is not talking about the sinless unfallen Adam or about Moses or about Elijah.

It is talking about the wicked in the OT.

 

[more4less]

Instead of saying "Moses, Enoch and Elijah did not enter My rest because the kingdom of heaven had not come to earth" --

The text says "SOME" it says it remains for SOME to enter and those who had the Gospel preached to them and yet did not enter - was simply due to "Disobedience"

David has written that no one has entered God's rest. Psalms 98. Before the Gospel of Jesus.

 

[BobRyan]

David has written that no one has entered God's rest. Psalms 98. Before the Gospel of Jesus.

Psalms 98 does not say "no one has entered God's rest".

Ps 98
O sing to the Lord a new song,
For He has done wonderful things,
His right hand and His holy arm have gained the victory for Him.
2 The Lord has made known His salvation;
He has revealed His righteousness in the sight of the nations.
3 He has remembered His lovingkindness and His faithfulness to the house of Israel;
All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.


4 Shout joyfully to the Lord, all the earth;
Break forth and sing for joy and sing praises.
5 Sing praises to the Lord with the lyre,
With the lyre and the sound of melody.
6 With trumpets and the sound of the horn
Shout joyfully before the King, the Lord.

7 Let the sea roar and all it contains,
The world and those who dwell in it.
8 Let the rivers clap their hands,
Let the mountains sing together for joy
9 Before the Lord, for He is coming to judge the earth;
He will judge the world with righteousness
And the peoples with equity.

I think we both know that.

6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, l

Instead of saying "Moses, Enoch and Elijah did not enter My rest because the kingdom of heaven had not come to earth" --

The text says "SOME" it says it remains for SOME to enter and those who had the Gospel preached to them and yet did not enter - was simply due to "Disobedience"

 

[more4less]

Sounds good to me.

But I prefer an actual Bible text for it.



sounds highly speculative.

The unfallen sinless Adam and Eve were in perfect harmony with God.



That text is not talking about the sinless unfallen Adam or about Moses or about Elijah.

It is talking about the wicked in the OT.

he was talking about the ones that He has sentenced them to stay in the wilderness for 40 years as it says.

 

[more4less]

Psalms 98 does not say "no one has entered God's rest".



I think we both know that.

I have meant Psalms 95. I have been up early this morning.

 

[BobRyan]

he was talking about the ones that He has sentenced them to stay in the wilderness for 40 years as it says.

Indeed - it says they did not enter Canaan because of disobedience.

IT does not say they did not enter because the Kingdom of heaven had not merged with Earth yet.

 

[more4less]

Indeed - it says they did not enter Canaan because of disobedience.

IT does not say they did not enter because the Kingdom of heaven had not merged with Earth yet.

No, it is because God had never settle down with them.

 

[BobRyan]

I have meant Psalms 95. I have been up early this morning.

Psalms 95 does not say no one has entered God's rest.

It says that the wicked did not enter.

Ps 95
Praise to the Lord, and Warning against Unbelief.
95 O come, let us sing for joy to the Lord,
Let us shout joyfully to the rock of our salvation.
2 Let us come before His presence with thanksgiving,
Let us shout joyfully to Him with psalms.
3 For the Lord is a great God
And a great King above all gods,
4 In whose hand are the depths of the earth,
The peaks of the mountains are His also.
5 The sea is His, for it was He who made it,
And His hands formed the dry land.

6 Come, let us worship and bow down,
Let us kneel before the Lord our Maker.
7 For He is our God,
And we are the people of His pasture and the sheep of His hand.
Today, if you would hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts, as at Meribah,
As in the day of Massah in the wilderness,
9 “When your fathers tested Me,
They tried Me, though they had seen My work.
10 “For forty years I loathed that generation,
And said they are a people who err in their heart,
And they do not know My ways.
11 “Therefore I swore in My anger,
Truly they shall not enter into My rest.”

The text contrasts the saints in David's day with the wicked who tried God for 40 years. The wicked were rejected but the saints are given that same offer of salvation "today" -- right then in Ps 95. Not "some future day when the 2nd coming happens" but "Today".

And that offer of "Today" in Ps 95 did not delete the Sabbath and did not claim that Moses did not enter God's rest.