Christians and Firearms

[Neogaia777]

And America and Americans are "dogs" right now, etc...?

Ok, then what about my comments if it had been anyone else then...?

Care to say anything about that maybe...?

Think they would have stopped short of taking over the entire world, etc...?

I'd really like to hear what you think, etc...?

God Bless!

And I'm starting to think now that maybe it was a mistake, etc...?

Our stopping short of taking over the entire world at that time, etc....

I don't know, what do you think, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Don’t be silly.

Of course I don’t mean Americans are ‘dogs’. As I said, in my actual post, America is a great country.

Notions like ‘America could have taken over the world’ and so on however come from some kind of dreamworld that has no attachment to the real world. The US has played its role in history, as have many other countries, in taking the world in what is probably the best possible direction. That’s no reason to go off the deep end into LaLa Land.

I'm just considering the possibilities is all...

But I do genuinely appreciate you saying something nice or good about us though...

Thank you for that, ok...

I really do appreciate it, thanks...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

And I'm starting to think now that maybe it was a mistake, etc...?

Our stopping short of taking over the entire world at that time, etc....

I don't know, what do you think, etc...?

God Bless!

I guess time will tell, or show us if it was a mistake or not, etc...

I hope it was not though...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Other countries and their ways right now, their current systems of government, etc, might have surpassed us by now in a lot of ways maybe, etc, but they are also totally dependent on the world being at some kind of relative peace as well, etc, and without it/that, they will not be able to stand also, etc, and that's what I am worried about right now, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Astrid]

Don’t be silly.

Of course I don’t mean Americans are ‘dogs’. As I said, in my actual post, America is a great country.

Notions like ‘America could have taken over the world’ and so on however come from some kind of dreamworld that has no attachment to the real world. The US has played its role in history, as have many other countries, in taking the world in what is probably the best possible direction. That’s no reason to go off the deep end into LaLa Land.

Its hardly "la la" thatvthe USA had monopoly control of nuclear
weapons and could have used them to establish world hegemony.

How stable for how long, who knows.

 

[Tom 1]

Its hardly "la la" thatvthe USA had monopoly control of nuclear
weapons and could have used them to establish world hegemony.

How stable for how long, who knows.

You really think that the US could have ‘taken over the world’ simply by dint of having nuclear weapons? How would you see that playing out?

 

[Astrid]

You really think that the US could have ‘taken over the world’ simply by dint of having nuclear weapons? How would you see that playing out?

Notv " simply".
Having a massive military machine, most of
the worlds industrial capacity and total control
of the seas would figure in too.

Play out, long term? Theres endless scenarios.

 

[Tom 1]

Notv " simply".
Having a massive military machine, most of
the worlds industrial capacity and total control
of the seas would figure in too.

Play out, long term? Theres endless scenarios.

I can’t think of any realistic scenario that would equate to something resembling ‘taking over’, in the sense of being in control, being able to direct and utilise resources, determine policy and so on. Purely for the sake of curiosity, as a kind of game, though, I’d be interested in what you had in mind.

 

[Astrid]

I can’t think of any realistic scenario that would equate to something resembling ‘taking over’, in the sense of being in control, being able to direct and utilise resources, determine policy and so on. Purely for the sake of curiosity, as a kind of game, though, I’d be interested in what you had in mind.

Take russias policy of occupying eastern europe.
Tell them to withdraw and disarm or kaboom.

Ftm tell everyone else to too, and enjoy their
peace dividend.

 

[Tom 1]

Take russias policy of occupying eastern europe.
Tell them to withdraw and disarm or kaboom.

Ftm tell everyone else to too, and enjoy their
peace dividend.

Tell Russia to withdraw and disarm? Ah you mean if Russia didn’t have nuclear arms? I suppose to play that one out you’d have to go back to 1949 and track it from there. Would have been better for central and Eastern Europe, for sure, except for the nuclear fallout and etc. maybe this would take longer than a few posts. Tell everyone else to disarm? Would that include allies? I suppose that would then extend to having to enforce trade, deal with sabotage and so on. At some point there’d inevitably be a need to follow through on the threat.

 

[Neogaia777]

After WWII, America could have set up a one world nation government back then, and immediately after the war, put whomever they wanted in charge of what used to be other countries, but that would have become more like states are in the US right now, and could have even redefined borders, or created multiple different states out of other, especially more larger nations/countries if they wanted to, or needed to, or done all kinds of things reallly, etc, pretty much anything they wanted really, etc, and there would have never been a such thing as other nations or countries getting nuclear weapons, because no matter where they had them or put them in the world, they would have always been in the sole hands and control of the new overarching one world government, which would be or would have been much like the federal government in the US is today with it's states, etc... and so on and so forth, etc, etc...

And if they set it up so that these new "states" got to keep their own more local cultures and cultural identities, and make their own laws and rules and policies kind of like the states can and do in the US today, but that could not violate the rules and laws of the new overarching "federal-like" government, I think they would have had relative peace for awhile, and maybe a long while afterwards, etc...

But, we'll never know, because that didn't happen... And I'm not necessarily saying it should have happened either, unless time proves me wrong right now of course, etc, which it might, etc, we just don't know right now or yet right now, etc, if it was truly the right decision back then or not right now, etc...

There would already be a kind of democracy everywhere by now though, etc, and would have been immediately, right after the war, etc, and countries like China and Russia would not be anything like they are right now today, or how they became right up to now and after the war, but would have democracies already, and would be more like states are in the US right now, etc...

Would it have been better...?

I God's honestly, or honest to Gods-ly, "don't know"...? But I think what happens in the, possibly immediate, or maybe relatively immediate, future, will probably come to answer that for us right now, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Astrid]

Tell Russia to withdraw and disarm? Ah you mean if Russia didn’t have nuclear arms? I suppose to play that one out you’d have to go back to 1949 and track it from there. Would have been better for central and Eastern Europe, for sure, except for the nuclear fallout and etc. maybe this would take longer than a few posts. Tell everyone else to disarm? Would that include allies? I suppose that would then extend to having to enforce trade, deal with sabotage and so on. At some point there’d inevitably be a need to follow through on the threat.

There was a window of opportunity for world domination
that could have been seized uopn.
Thats basically all I had to say.
That whatiffs are endless.

 

[Tom 1]

There was a window of opportunity for world domination
that could have been seized uopn.
Thats basically all I had to say.
That whatiffs are endless.

Sure it’s just random speculation. I don’t think the US was in any condition to seize control at that time however. Maybe 10 years later, but by then Russia had nukes too.

 

[Neogaia777]

There was a window of opportunity for world domination
that could have been seized uopn.
Thats basically all I had to say.
That whatiffs are endless.

You just put it very much better, and much more succinctly than I just did, etc...

And would just like to add, and now that ship has sailed, and the entire world now must now face the effects, or results, or repercussions, or consequences, or "whatever word you want to use for it or want to call them", etc...

I just hope and pray, it doesn't turn out to have been a mistake, etc...

Time will tell I think...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Sure it’s just random speculation. I don’t think the US was in any condition to seize control at that time however. Maybe 10 years later, but by then Russia had nukes too.

The entire world at that time, except the US, was on it's knees...

There was a window, whether you like to admit to that fact of not, etc...

The US could have very easily done it, if they would not have drawn back, or pulled out/back, or hesitated, or retreated, or stopped, at that time, etc...

There was a window, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Tom 1]

The entire world at that time, except the US, was on it's knees...

There was a window, whether you like to admit to that fact of not, etc...

The US could have very easily done it, if they would not have drawn back, or hesitated, or retreated, or stopped, at that time, etc...

There was a window, etc...

God Bless!

Sure, it’s a fact that the US could have very easily subdued the whole world. I’m glad you’re here to tell me the facts, otherwise I’d get all mixed up thinking about how stuff actually works and all that other confusing reality stuff. Thanks!

 

[Neogaia777]

Sure, it’s a fact that the US could have very easily subdued the whole world. I’m glad you’re here to tell me the facts, otherwise I’d get all mixed up thinking about how stuff actually works and all that other confusing reality stuff. Thanks!

We were not a country bent on world domination though, but in only just stopping or preventing the other ones that were at that time, but we could not see all of the rest of the foreseeable future though, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Tom 1]

The entire world at that time, except the US, was on it's knees...

There was a window, whether you like to admit to that fact of not, etc...

The US could have very easily done it, if they would not have drawn back, or pulled out/back, or hesitated, or retreated, or stopped, at that time, etc...

There was a window, etc...

God Bless!

I remember hearing this kind of nonsense from most people I knew in the army 20 odd years ago, how it would be a piece of cake to defeat an army of illiterate peasants armed with antique weapons in Afghanistan. 3 months, 6 months tops. After all, the West has all the best weapons, the superior tech, and - according to some people - god thinks both guns America are great. I wonder how that all worked out? I can’t quite remember

 

[Neogaia777]

Sure, it’s a fact that the US could have very easily subdued the whole world. I’m glad you’re here to tell me the facts, otherwise I’d get all mixed up thinking about how stuff actually works and all that other confusing reality stuff. Thanks!

Then please, tell us, "how stuff actually works then", and why you think the US could not have, or there wasn't a window at that time...?

God Bless!

 

[Tom 1]

Then please, tell us, "how stuff actually works then", and why you think the US could not have, or there wasn't a window at that time...?

God Bless!

If you don't get it, take a good long look at the war in Vietnam, or the 20 years of pointless fighting in Afghanistan. Why, after the murder of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese and Cambodian peasants, and the deaths of who knows how many American servicemen, was the US unable to win that war? Why was the most technologically advanced army in the world unable to subdue one single country with a GDP lower than any US state - in 20 years? If you can figure that out, you might be a step closer to understanding why big guns + ostensibly weaker nations doesn't equal what you think it does.