Christians and Firearms

[tobyw]

Do you think Christians should own and/or carry firearms?

I think this depends a lot on the attitudes of the people where you live. This is because the Bible says, "If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all." - Romans 12:18. I'll assume "all" there means your more immediate neighbors, given some of Paul's writings elsewhere. I believe this is part of a more general Biblical principle on denying yourself for the sake of others. It's not a blanket rule situation.

If you live somewhere that open carry isn't controversial and likely to cause a lot of offense, then I don't think there's much of a problem with it. Personally where I live there aren't a lot of things like home invasions, but it might be different for someone who lives, say, in a sketchy part of South Africa. In some cultures, having a gun for home defense is culturally acceptable, and I wouldn't blame them for it.

 

[bèlla]

I’m not opposed to gun ownership or carrying for registered users.

 

[partinobodycular]

Well, another 14 18 19 kids dead, I guess those Texans don't own enough guns yet.

 

[bèlla]

And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no moneybag or knapsack or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

The bible has a way of refuting human intellect and modernity. The unfortunate events in Buffalo and Texas shouldn’t blind us to the agenda. There’s cause and effect beneath the surface.

You cannot establish a new order until the old has been destroyed. Disarming the citizens is a must to bring it about. Don’t be deceived by forked tongues and well meaning do-gooders.

Keep your guns! Defend your wife and loved ones. Don’t fall for the passivity from the pulpit or the effeminacy society embraces. It’s a lie.

Heed your spirit and the Most High. Let the others meet their fate. They’ll wish they followed suit before its over.

 

[Neogaia777]

And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no moneybag or knapsack or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

The bible has a way of refuting human intellect and modernity. The unfortunate events in Buffalo and Texas shouldn’t blind us to the agenda. There’s cause and effect beneath the surface.

You cannot establish a new order until the old has been destroyed. Disarming the citizens is a must to bring it about. Don’t be deceived by forked tongues and well meaning do-gooders.

Keep your guns! Defend your wife and loved ones. Don’t fall for the passivity from the pulpit or the effeminacy society embraces. It’s a lie.

Heed your spirit and the Most High. Let the others meet their fate. They’ll wish they followed suit before its over.

Right @bèlla

Don't let any of these politicians or people/leaders in positions of power decieve you into you thinking they actually care about any of these deaths, etc, they only care about one thing and one thing only, and that is their own global elitist agenda, etc...

They know from history, that once the few at the top are established, then, at some point, in order to keep it that way, or keep that established, etc, they cannot afford resistance from the rest of the populace in the middle or on the bottom, etc, as they already know things will only get worse, and then only much worse, for people in the middle, and most especially on the bottom, etc... and they cannot afford them being able to rise up, and most especially being able to rise up violently, or with weapons in armed rebellion, etc, which is one of our protected rights in our own constitution in the US that our forefathers also knew about from studying history, and is why it is in there, etc...

Anyway, none of them actually care about the deaths, but are more than happy to use it/them in order to try to take away the rights and abilities of the people to ever be able to rise up in violent resistance, etc...

They are only caring about their global elitist "playbook" right now only, and that's it, etc...

Do not be deceived, etc...

They also know that taking away the rights of the regular law abiding people to have and own guns will not solve the problem either, but it might be able to solve one of "their problems", and that is all they care about right now, etc...

I wouldn't even put it past them purposely causing things like this at some point if they feel that they have to in order to further that plan and/or agenda at some point, etc...

Some already think that all that is happening in and with the US right now is being done on purpose by them anyway, etc, and I wouldn't put it past them, etc...

If the fall is going to happen anyway (again "history", etc) then why not control or dictate it after all, etc, so they will get to keep all of what they have in the world right now, etc, wealth, power, position, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Right @bèlla

Don't let any of these politicians or people/leaders in positions of power decieve you into you thinking they actually care about any of these deaths, etc, they only care about one thing and one thing only, and that is their own global elitist agenda, etc...

They know from history, that once the few at the top are established, then, at some point, in order to keep it that way, or keep that established, etc, they cannot afford resistance from the rest of the populace in the middle or on the bottom, etc, as they already know things will only get worse, and then only much worse, for people in the middle, and most especially on the bottom, etc... and they cannot afford them being able to rise up, and most especially being able to rise up violently, or with weapons in armed rebellion, etc, which is one of our protected rights in our own constitution in the US that our forefathers also knew about from studying history, and is why it is in there, etc...

Anyway, none of them actually care about the deaths, but are more than happy to use it/them in order to try to take away the rights and abilities of the people to ever be able to rise up in violent resistance, etc...

They are only caring about their global elitist "playbook" right now only, and that's it, etc...

Do not be deceived, etc...

They also know that taking away the rights of the regular law abiding people to have and own guns will not solve the problem either, but it might be able to solve one of "their problems", and that is all they care about right now, etc...

I wouldn't even put it past them purposely causing things like this at some point if they feel that they have to in order to further that plan and/or agenda at some point, etc...

Some already think that all that is happening in and with the US right now is being done on purpose by them anyway, etc, and I wouldn't put it past them, etc...

If the fall is going to happen anyway (again "history", etc) then why not control or dictate it after all, etc, so they will get to keep all of what they have in the world right now, etc, wealth, power, position, etc...

God Bless!

The cost might be getting high for us to have and own our guns right now, or have our gun rights right now, etc, but, trust me, the cost is going to be very, very much more higher if we ever allow them to take them all away from us completely...

And our forefathers, a long, long time ago in this country, knew that already, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

The cost might be getting high for us to have and own our guns right now, or have our gun rights right now, etc, but, trust me, the cost is going to be very, very much more higher if we ever allow them to take them all away from us completely...

And our forefathers, a long, long time ago in this country, knew that already, etc...

God Bless!

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

"A well regulated/organized Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State (or Nation), the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. (or ever taken away from them)."

Yes, the US is different from other countries/nations, and that is and/or because, it's supposed to be, etc...

God Bless!

 

[partinobodycular]

You cannot establish a new order until the old has been destroyed. Disarming the citizens is a must to bring it about. Don’t be deceived by forked tongues and well meaning do-gooders.

Keep your guns! Defend your wife and loved ones. Don’t fall for the passivity from the pulpit or the effeminacy society embraces. It’s a lie.

The cost might be getting high for us to have and own our guns, or have gun rights right now, etc, but, trust me, the cost is going to be very, very much more higher if we ever allow them to take them all away from us completely...

The only thought that I can come up with when people use God to justify the killing of innocent children is:

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

My how heaven must be weeping.

 

[Neogaia777]

The only thought that I can come up with when people use God to justify the killing of innocent children is:

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

My how heaven must be weeping.

Funny, my God seems to always know how to look down a much longer road, etc, even to the point to where He could justify genocide of entire races/peoples, for the future it would make and/or create if the/His own people had only had the ability to fully obey Him, etc...

But you go ahead, if you live in this country, and let them take your guns away from you, and just see what future it creates for you in the long run, but for me personally, they are going to have to pry them from my cold dead hands if they ever try to forcefully take mine away from me, etc...

And I don't think any of your politicians or political leaders are weeping right now, not unless it is going to be caught or captured on camera that is, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

And I don't think any of your politicians or political leaders are weeping right now, not unless it is going to be caught or captured on camera that is, etc...

Your media personalities are also wonderful actors as well, etc...

And are very excellent at putting on a very good show for whosoever pockets they are in currently, etc...

It's why they are so well paid after all, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Ok, I want to pose this question right now for all, ok...?

Do you think it is truly right to blame gun posession/ownership as the true real source of the problem in situations like this or tragedies like this, etc...?

Yes or No...?

And I really do truly want your 100% honest views and opinions on this, so that maybe we can discuss them logically, ok...?

But I do want only honest ones, ok...

Ready...

Go...

God Bless!

 

[cow451]

Not a trick question, I'm legitimately curious what responses I'll receive to this. I just read about the church shooting in California. Someone cited in the article said their church is one of the largest in the country and they have many parishioners who carry firearms in service along with police presence. Got me thinking.

Do you think Christians should own and/or carry firearms?

Christians should be able to use logic and reason to determine their use or lack of use of any tool, including firearms.

 

[Zoii]

Ok, I want to pose this question right now for all, ok...?

Do you think it is truly right to blame gun posession/ownership as the true real source of the problem in situations like this or tragedies like this, etc...?

Yes or No...?

And I really do truly want your 100% honest views and opinions on this, so that maybe we can discuss them logically, ok...?

But I do want only honest ones, ok...

Ready...

Go...

Its the 27th school shooting and 200th mass shooting this year - and it's only May. So I'd argue that YES Christians love guns and care little about the obvious misuses/casualties. The school shooting only just happened but give it a few more days and it will be forgotten like the other 26 this year

 

[Neogaia777]

Its the 27th school shooting and 200th mass shooting this year - and it's only May. So I'd argue that YES Christians love guns and care little about the obvious misuses/casualties. The school shooting only just happened but give it a few more days and it will be forgotten like the other 26 this year

You didn't answer my question...

Or you did with a "Yes", but then just spouted off with a bunch of emotionally driven nonsense that doesn't address the actual question...

Why do you think that it is right to blame gun possession/ownership as the real true source of the real problem in situations like this, etc...?

Sure it might keep you from having to see it or deal with it (maybe) but the real actual problem would still exist, etc...

So I think it would be much more right to address that, instead of taking everybody's guns away from them, etc...

Or taking them away from the 99.999% who all each never ever even think of doing anything like this with them at all ever, and/or handle them responsibly all of the time, etc, as your not really eliminating the real problem anyway, but are only eliminating your having to see it and/or deal with it only, etc...

Guns are not the problem, etc...

And neither are the 99.999% of people who handle them responsibly all of the time and every single day either, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

The logic of the question/argument in my question (post #111) should not be able to be answered by anyone except with a "no" by anyone who is reasonable or who uses only logic and/or reason in their own logical mind, etc...

Guns are not the problem, but what is happening and/or going on with some of the American people/populace right now is, etc...

So, let's now try to address "that" right now, shall we...?

Instead of saying guns are the problem, when everybody knows they are not, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

The logic of the question/argument in my question (post #111) should not be able to be answered by anyone except with a "no" by anyone who is reasonable or who uses only logic and/or reason in their own logical mind, etc...

Guns are not the problem, but what is happening and/or going on with some of the American people/populace right now is, etc...

So, let's now try to address "that" right now, shall we...?

Instead of saying guns are the problem, when everybody knows they are not, etc...

God Bless!

And in fact I can prove you really don't care about the real true source of the problem by your only wanting to take everybody's guns away just so you don't have to see it, etc...

And that is the rub, or the why, etc, why you don't really care about it, etc, because you only really care only about not having to deal with it, or see it only, etc...

Now the way you could prove to me that you really do truly care about it, is by really truly trying to attack the real true source of the problem, instead of just taking away the externals that would only keep you from having to deal with it or see it only, etc...

But I guess I really don't expect any of you to really truly be doing that really I guess, etc...

And in a way, I care a heck of alot more about the real problem than you ever will or do, etc...

God Bless!

 

[partinobodycular]

And in fact I can prove you really don't care about the real true source of the problem by your only wanting to take everybody's guns away just so you don't have to see it, etc...

Okay, you asked a question, now I'd like to ask one.

If we removed all assault type weapons, and all high capacity magazines from public hands how would it negatively affect American society?

 

[Neogaia777]

Okay, you asked a question, now I'd like to ask one.

If we removed all assault type weapons, and all high capacity magazines from public hands how would it negatively affect American society?

It would try to sweep the true problem under the rug, so it never has to be truly seen and/or addressed, for one, or for starters, and then much further down the road, in all kinds of ways that most people will probably never see, until it's too late, etc...

And you obviously know nothing about so-called "assault type/style weapons" either, but it's also not my job to educate you, so...

Just know I could show you two pictures of the same exact weapon, and one would look like a military weapon/style rifle, and the other would look like a hunting rifle, but there would be absolutely no difference between them, etc...

And besides that, you eliminate those, or what you might suggest right now today, and there will be no stopping them tomorrow, etc...

And unless you eliminate them all, there will be no stopping your ever having to see tragedies like this every once in a while either, etc, and I believe it still won't, not in America anyway, etc...

And you do know that some states have already done some of that already, don't you? and it doesn't really change it or change a thing, etc, because guns are not the real source of the problem, and would do absolutely nothing to address the real problem, but only keeps you from seeing it, and only deludes you into thinking you have solved/addressed the real problem, etc...

And that's also known as "deception" or is "deceiving yourself" also, etc...

People would probably do it with knives and cars, because you never addressed the real problem, etc...

At least, they probably would still in America anyway, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Okay, you asked a question, now I'd like to ask one.

If we removed all assault type weapons, and all high capacity magazines from public hands how would it negatively affect American society?

Any laws or restrictions or rules against firearms only decieves or tricks you into thinking you are doing something to address the real true source of the real problem when really you are not, etc, it is only just so you can just pat yourself on the back and make yourself feel better about yourself while you completely ignore "them", etc, who will more than likely just find other ways to do it or express themselves that way in America anyway, etc...

You are deceiving yourself into thinking you have truly done something about the problem when you really haven't, etc, but just that temporarily makes you feel good about yourself, but does absolutely nothing about the real problem, which will just come back up in other ways if all the guns are taken away in America, etc...

Or at least, that's my prediction at least, etc...

And that will be because you never really focused on or ever really addressed the real problem, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Or let me put it this way...

If people start mowing down crowds of people with a vehicle, or vehicles, are you then going to take away everybody's ability to drive or have or own vehicles, etc...?

And will you then, or will that then, cause you to pat yourself on the back and/or make you feel better about yourself then, because you actually did something about the actual real true source of the actual problem, etc...?

It is the same with guns, etc, but it's just that it's a lot less obvious with guns and gun possession/ownership, etc...

God Bless!