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I believe the the writings were inspired by the Spirit, not that the Spirit wrote them. One can only hear the Spirit, not read the Spirit! The NT never refers to Paul's as Scripture. Peter wrote Paul wrote according to his wisdom
I think you are equating something unbalanced. Let us not set our standard meant for animals. Ox may be allowed to eat to its liking. But Jesus clearly says gospel laborer should accept what is given, not munch on all that is available.
Luke 10:7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.
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2 Peter 3:15-16 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
It doesn't say that Paul wrote according to his wisdom, but according to the wisdom that God gave him, which is the equivalent of saying that his writings were inspired by the Spirit.
I think you missed the point. The passage in Timothy refers to both quotes as Scripture, with first one quoted from Deuteronomy, and the second one quoted from Luke.
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So you follow the Law. How's that working for you? Does your righteousness exceed that of the Pharisees?
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It is clear that Peter never claimed Paul wrote inspired by the Holy Spirit. Poor Paul was troubled by the messenger of Satan. The wisdom in Paul's writings has to be verified with other sources. It is not one way track with self-claims.
Canon is man-made. What is applicable to animals cannot be applied to men.
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I try to follow the spirit of the Law. I strive to become perfect. My righteousness will be measured by God, not based on our claims.
Matthew 5
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
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Peter said that they twist Paul's words as they do other Scripture, which implies Paul's words were Scripture, and everything that comes with that. It says that the wisdom came from God, so why do you attribute it as coming from a messenger of Satan? Paul's writings are verified by other sources.
Again, you're missing the point. I'm not making a point about how to treat oxen or workers, but rather my point is that a quote from Luke is referred to as Scripture.
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Logic can be used to prove either way. Scripture ended with the OT. It is the Holy Spirit now and writings. Jesus warned of false prophets, and did not indicate new writings to tell about Him. The Holy Spirit will remind of Jesus' preaching not suppositions and self-claims of Paul.
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Salvation is by Jesus through His words, not by writings of absentees that contradict Jesus
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Paul doesnt contradict Jesus. Also Jesus entrusted revelation to John, which is not OT but is STILL SCRIPTURE. Paul was also given abundance of revelation but told not to write his one. Instead he was called to be apostle to the gentiles, and thats why so many of his letters to the churches are in the NT.
Who decideded what was in NT? Men didnt, it was ultimately God preserving all the different accounts, all inspired by the holy spirit. The letter to Timothy says all scriputre is God breathed and good for correction, rebuking and teaching. The bulk of the church letters written by Paul are instructions for the church!!! How anyone can think the church would get by without these letters clearly hasnt read them!
Who decideded what was in NT? Men didnt, it was ultimately God preserving all the different accounts, all inspired by the holy spirit. The letter to Timothy says all scriputre is God breathed and good for correction, rebuking and teaching. The bulk of the church letters written by Paul are instructions for the church!!! How anyone can think the church would get by without these letters clearly hasnt read them!
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So by following the Law, you will attain perfect righteousness?
This:
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Phil. 3:9
refers to this:
And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
Deut. 6:25
Again I'll ask. Do you light a fire on Sabbath? Do you drive on Sabbath? Prepare meals?
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I don't buy this thinking the same as I don't buy a "spiritual" Israel either. You can ignore all day Paul's scripture that says if we are IN the spirit we are NOT under the Law thus this negates any spiritualizing the carnal Law into spirituality.
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This reveals either (a) sheer ignorance or (b) a rejection of the New Testament. Well unbelieving Jews reject the NT but Messianic Jews accept the entire NT.
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How can Paul contradict Jesus when he was personally taught by Christ? There are no contradictions whatsoever and you would have to manufacture one.
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Yes, serious for the sake of the truth, not for livelihood which Paul's theology leads to instead of life of Jesus.
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One out of many: institution of communion. Jesus never said to repeat that as a remembrance of His death.
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