christianity is under Attack!!

[Willtor]

Because Jesus said we are sheep.

Well... some are goats. But we can't tell which until the end.

 

[shernren]

The Determination of Humans' Eternal Destinations by means of Annealing Temperature Differentiation between Bovidus genera Genetic Samples

(pre-print submitted 1 April 2008)

We examine the possibility of determining the eternal fate of any particular human by means of comparative genomics to different genera within the Bovidus family, which includes the well known domestic sheep (Ovis ovis) and domestic goat (Capra aegagrus hircus). Genetic samples were taken from 200 randomly selected humans, and the annealing temperature after reactions with primers taken from Ovis ovis and Capra aegagrus respectively were compared. It was found that 63.7% of Christians showed higher annealing temperatures when tested against Ovis ovis, as compared to only 21.5% of non-Christians, indicating that on average Christian DNA is more similar to sheep DNA than goat DNA. Within the various denominations of Christians there was a wide range of percentages for higher Ovis temperatures, ranging from 24.5% for Seventh-Day Adventists to 98.3% for Orthodox Copts.

We hope to further expand this research with more questions:

- Will this correlation continue to be observed when more direct processes of genetic comparison, such as explicit sequence-matching, are used?
- Does the relatively high percentage of non-Christians with higher Ovis annealing temperatures indicate that this test has a strong tendency towards false positives, or does it constitute empirical evidence for some form of universalism? Similarly, does the significant percentage of Christians with higher Capra annealing temperatures demonstrate a proclivity towards false negatives, or does it reveal disturbing possibilities for Arminian thinking that Calvinists will be unhappy with?
- What is the eternal destiny of people who demonstrate stronger DNA affinity to water buffaloes than either sheep or goats?

Submitted by
A. Prank, J. Kidding and T. O'Reilly
University of Hilaria

 

[artybloke]

Well... some are goats. But we can't tell which until the end.

One does wonder sometimes how human beings invented agriculture....

 

[sago]

The Determination of Humans' Eternal Destinations by means of Annealing Temperature Differentiation between Bovidus genera Genetic Samples

(pre-print submitted 1 April 2008)

We examine the possibility of determining the eternal fate of any particular human by means of comparative genomics to different genera within the Bovidus family, which includes the well known domestic sheep (Ovis ovis) and domestic goat (Capra aegagrus hircus). Genetic samples were taken from 200 randomly selected humans, and the annealing temperature after reactions with primers taken from Ovis ovis and Capra aegagrus respectively were compared. It was found that 63.7% of Christians showed higher annealing temperatures when tested against Ovis ovis, as compared to only 21.5% of non-Christians, indicating that on average Christian DNA is more similar to sheep DNA than goat DNA. Within the various denominations of Christians there was a wide range of percentages for higher Ovis temperatures, ranging from 24.5% for Seventh-Day Adventists to 98.3% for Orthodox Copts.

We hope to further expand this research with more questions:

- Will this correlation continue to be observed when more direct processes of genetic comparison, such as explicit sequence-matching, are used?
- Does the relatively high percentage of non-Christians with higher Ovis annealing temperatures indicate that this test has a strong tendency towards false positives, or does it constitute empirical evidence for some form of universalism? Similarly, does the significant percentage of Christians with higher Capra annealing temperatures demonstrate a proclivity towards false negatives, or does it reveal disturbing possibilities for Arminian thinking that Calvinists will be unhappy with?
- What is the eternal destiny of people who demonstrate stronger DNA affinity to water buffaloes than either sheep or goats?

Submitted by
A. Prank, J. Kidding and T. O'Reilly
University of Hilaria

Genuis

 

[shernren]

... until sfs comes along and completely eviscerates me for utterly misusing the concept of annealing temperatures. Hey, it's not my fault that Wikipedia's article about "annealing (biology)" is still a stub ... =/

 

[crawfish]

Well... some are goats. But we can't tell which until the end.

I thought we were salt.

 

[shernren]

I thought we were salt.

No, light!

Whoa! The Bible is a super-science-textbook! Jesus knew about wave-particle duality!

 

[pgp_protector]

No, light!

Whoa! The Bible is a super-science-textbook! Jesus knew about wave-particle duality!

No it's sheep.

 

[shernren]

No it's sheep.

Sheep (matter) + sheep (antimatter) = lots of light.

There is no inconsistency! The Bible is always accurate!

 

[Assyrian]

What when Christ meets the antichrist?

 

[pgp_protector]

What when Christ meets the antichrist?

It's the end of the world as we know it.

 

[Assyrian]

: D

 

[pgp_protector]

Well... some are goats. But we can't tell which until the end.

Are you sure it's not wheat & chaff ?

 

[vossler]

what did he do that was so bad? I would like to know, so I don't refer this to anyone, if its that bad, and the article isn't refering to him attacking Christianity, It was about how non-christians are making it hard on the rest of us, and that we (Christians) are under attack, by non-christians.

What he's done is take a stand for the Word of God. God was pretty clear about how those who took a stand will be treated. So this is absolutely no surprise.

Bingo. The conflation of Ham's brand of YECism with Christianity (TM) is what should be under attack -- by Christians of all stripes. Opposing anti-evolutionism isn't an attack on Christianity; it's an attack on a narrow, concordist view of Scriptures. Not all Christians hold such a view.

Jesus said in Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it."

You are most certainly right to say not all people who calll themselves Christians hold that view.

 

[Mallon]

Jesus said in Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it."

You are most certainly right to say not all people who calll themselves Christians hold that view.

It sounds like you're saying that only YEC Christians are saved from their sins. Is this what you mean to imply?

 

[Mick116]

What he's done is take a stand for the Word of God. God was pretty clear about how those who took a stand will be treated. So this is absolutely no surprise.
Jesus said in Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it."

You are most certainly right to say not all people who calll themselves Christians hold that view.

He said "not all Christians" hold the YEC view, he didn't say, "not all people who call themselves Christian". There seems to be an underlying disrespect in your choice of words for Christian evolutionists. Forgive me if this was not your intent, it's just how your reply comes across.

As for Ken Ham, it is God's place to judge the man, but I feel he is distorting the gospel with his insistence on a literal Genesis. His entire ministry - and with it, a load of his supporters' money - is devoted to a peripheral issue, blown all the way out of proportion so as to seem the heart of the gospel. I don't mind that he accepts Young Earth Creationism, and I consider Mr Ham a brother in Christ, but I am concerned about the resources he is spending to publicise his point of view. I just think he needs to tone it down a little, and focus on the rest of the gospel.

 

[Willtor]

What he's done is take a stand for the Word of God. God was pretty clear about how those who took a stand will be treated. So this is absolutely no surprise.
Jesus said in Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it."

You are most certainly right to say not all people who calll themselves Christians hold that view.

My concern is that by pointing to verbal attacks and inferring that such is a sign of rightness, one is measuring correctness by unpopularity. But not everything that is unpopular is right. Clearly, there are some things that are unpopular that are wrong. Even things that people infer from Scripture... Especially things that people infer from Scripture. But if they tell themselves that because their ideas are attacked that they must be right, they'll never receive correction.

In some sense this becomes a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ing contest (can I say that?) for who can come up with the weirdest thing to believe and calling it faith.

I don't think Jesus or the evangelists ever intended that we should measure the rightness of our ideas by their popularity or unpopularity. Merely, that we should not be surprised by persecution even if we were right because even he was persecuted. That said, even the most extreme ridicule isn't persecution. I'm not usually this blunt, but the fact of the matter is that Ken Ham isn't hurting. If he wants to call it persecution, he can cry the whole way to the bank.

 

[Technocrat2010]

What he's done is take a stand for the Word of God. God was pretty clear about how those who took a stand will be treated. So this is absolutely no surprise.

He took a stand for the word of God? Please demonstrate this.

Jesus said in Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it."

You are most certainly right to say not all people who calll themselves Christians hold that view.

Who cares how many Christians hold that view? Popularity doesn't equate with Truth.

 

[vossler]

It sounds like you're saying that only YEC Christians are saved from their sins. Is this what you mean to imply?

Far from it, if only it were that easy. All I was saying is that most people who call themselves Christian didn't hold to a narrow view of Scripture.

 

[vossler]

As for Ken Ham, it is God's place to judge the man, but I feel he is distorting the gospel with his insistence on a literal Genesis. His entire ministry - and with it, a load of his supporters' money - is devoted to a peripheral issue, blown all the way out of proportion so as to seem the heart of the gospel. I don't mind that he accepts Young Earth Creationism, and I consider Mr Ham a brother in Christ, but I am concerned about the resources he is spending to publicise his point of view. I just think he needs to tone it down a little, and focus on the rest of the gospel.

That's just it, to you and others this is nothing but a 'peripheral issue' while to many others it is a core issue. Toning down the truth should never be a consideration for any Christian.