Christian Wicca

Lifesaver · Jul 15, 2004

Crispie said:
Well, your problem is you use the Sacred Tradition to support which Gospels are correct right? Well for what reason is the Sacred Tradition "right" besides the fact that your basing its reliability on your faith.

For what reason is it right?
God doesn't let His word be lost.

This is true ever since the times of the Old Testament.

Crispie · Jul 15, 2004

For what reason is it right?
God doesn't let His word be lost.

Yeah...his words not lost because its in the New Testament and Old Testament lol.

Lifesaver · Jul 15, 2004

The fullness of it is found both in Scripture and in ORAL Tradition!

Nowhere in the Bible is there a list of books, and nowhere in the Bible is it said that the Bible is the only source of knowledge regarding God.

This is serious, Crispie: this Jack Chick is a completely delusional man, and his stories are filled with many many things he outright invents! There is very little honesty in any of those tracts, and his supposed "ex-Catholic Priest" was (already dead) a man wanted by the police in many states.

Please, take this advice of mine: stop believing anything that man writes about mostly anything.

Crispie · Jul 15, 2004

Yeah, the other source of Knowledge of God is the Holy Spirit! Not some creation of the Catholic Church!

Lifesaver · Jul 15, 2004

And does the Holy Spirit give you knowledge directly?
Through what means? A feeling in the heart? Voices in the head? Burning bossom?

Crispie · Jul 15, 2004

Mark 13:11
Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
(Whole Chapter: Mark 13 In context: Mark 13:10-12)

Luke 1:67
His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied:
(Whole Chapter: Luke 1 In context: Luke 1:66-68)

Luke 12

11"When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, 12for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say."

Here shows how the Holy Spirit can teach you things, guide you to say and do the right things, and even give prophecys. The holy spirit is used By God to guide his people.

Acts 1

Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven

1In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.

Even in the old Testament the Holy Spirit is used.

Acts 4
24When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. "Sovereign Lord," they said, "you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. 25You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David:
" 'Why do the nations rage
and the peoples plot in vain?
26The kings of the earth take their stand
and the rulers gather together
against the Lord
and against his Anointed One.[1] '[2]

Psalm 2
2 The kings of the earth take their stand
and the rulers gather together
against the LORD
and against his Anointed One. [1]

Lifesaver · Jul 15, 2004

And so, when you are questioned about your faith, the Holy Spirit speaks for you. Is that right?

Crispie · Jul 15, 2004

In a sense yes, but no, God doesnt tell me what to say and I automatically say it, but God does guide me to say things through the Holy Spirit through which I can speak many truths of God.

Cerridwen · Jul 15, 2004

Well it certainly isn't God telling you to believe Jack Chick, lol.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

Crispie · Jul 15, 2004

What?

Lifesaver · Jul 15, 2004

Crispie said:
In a sense yes, but no, God doesnt tell me what to say and I automatically say it, but God does guide me to say things through the Holy Spirit through which I can speak many truths of God.

And when you said Mary Magdalene was the mother of Christ, was the Holy Spirit guiding you?

Does the Holy Spirit guide the Christians (baptists, methodists, episcopalians, etc) who also read the Bible and disagree with you?

ravenwolf · Jul 15, 2004

HadouKen24 · Jul 15, 2004

The past couple of pages have been incredibly :topic:

Crispie · Jul 15, 2004

Why dont you read the bible to find out? And the Holy Spirit doesnt make you perfect in knowledge like God, nor does it make you immune to mistakes, I swiftly corrected myself when I made that mistake, and I know for a fact that I am not perfect in knowledge. Is it just me, or does it seem like you are doubting the abilitys and purpose of the Holy Spirit? Remember, God and the Holy Spirit, not even Jesus is a slave to me.

Lifesaver · Jul 15, 2004

Ah, so by your own admission the guiding of the Holy Spirit is imperfect. It leads to error as well as truth.

But the Holy Spirit, who is God, cannot tolerate any error, and He is also not powerless! In short, if there is indeed a spirit guiding you, it can't possibly be holy...

By your own admission, Christians have no access to the whole truth. The truth has been lost, and is divided among many believers, each of them believing in true and false things at the same time.
If this is the church, then the gates of Hell have prevailed against it.

Your mistake, Crispie, is personally interpreting the Bible, and not accepting a teacher to guide your reading.
If each person reads the Bible on their own, they make many different conclusions. This is pure chaos.

Again, the shortcomings here are a clear result of the rejection of Tradition, which gives one the basis with which to correctly interpret Scripture.

I have no doubt that you have faith. It is clear that you are zealous and strive to be right. However, given your rejection of something which is as important as Scripture, your faith leads you to believe in many false things.

Cerridwen · Jul 15, 2004

True, true, it's off topic, but it sure is...informative. We should start a new thread just for this...
Lifesaver, too bad I can't give you more reps, lol.
Raven, I second your laughing smilies.
*Snicker*..."swiftly corrected it"...yup, after two Heretics pointed it out...

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

brinley45cal · Jul 15, 2004

ravenwolf said:
is that the only verse you know?????
I say, if someone wants to be a christian wiccan they have every right to...its called freedom of religion!
Blessings
~ravenwolf

Ok how about this one:
Exodus 22;18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Or how about this:
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 there shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass trough the fire,or that useth divination. or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
For all that do these things are an abomination unto the lord: and because of these abominations the lord thy god doth drive them out from before thee.

Is that good enough? theres more where that came from.You cant be both,the bible says you cant serve two masters.

Cerridwen · Jul 15, 2004

Okay honey, there have been countless replies & refutations of your first little verse. Also, as posted before, not all Wiccans practice witchcraft. Additionally, Christian Wiccans are not "serving two masters" they are serving one: God. They simply see God differently than you do. While you (and I, incidentally) may disagree with their theology, that doesn't mean they can't practice it.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

Lifesaver · Jul 15, 2004

Not at all.
They are seeing God in two contradictory ways. They are seeing, in effect, two Gods.

Also, does not belief in Wiccan include belief (not practice) in the existence of magick (the energy that witches manipulate, etc...)? This is also completely anathema with Christianity.

A so-called Christian Wiccan is certainly not a Christian (unless he means something else and uses the word "Christian"). Is he a Wiccan, though? I cannot say.

Dark_Lite · Jul 15, 2004

Crispy... you know... the ironic thing about your entire argument is this:

If there was no Catholic Church, you wouldn't have a Bible to quote stuff out of.

Think about that for awhile. I mean really think about it.

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