Where do they go? Heaven or Hell?? Is one sin more damning than another?? Isn't all sin bad regardless of how we 'rank' it in our society?
Once Saved, always saved?
Once Saved, always saved?
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ChrisinMI said:
Objectively speaking, if someone commits suicide with full knowledge and conscious consent, then they will go to Hell. In essence, they have decided to longer put their trust in God and have despaired instead. That being said, we cannot know that. I would imagine most people that commit suicide have some sort of depression or chemical imbalance which would mitigate culpability.
As for sin, it's all bad, but some are worse than others. Some will cost you your salvation if you die unrepentant (sins unto death mentioned in 1 John 5) and some will not (sins not unto death).
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QuantaCura said:
I strongly disagree, and so did Pope JPII who signed the Lutheran agreement stating that salvation is received via the atonement of Christ and not by the works of men. Works are a fruit of the spirit, but they do not in any way redeem us or condemn us. Works are the result of salvation. Salvation is NOT the result of works. So, if a person commits suicide, God does not judge one final desperate act, but the person's heart. Suicide does not automatically condemn you to hell.
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Lisa0315 said:
That was on justification, not salvation. John Paul II promulgated the catechism that specifically says those who die in a state of unrepented mortal sin go to Hell.
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seekingpurity047
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QuantaCura said:
And who declares what the mortal sins are? Well... according to the Roman Catholic Church, Thomas Aquinas defines to us the "7 deadly sins"... right....
There is only one sin that can send one to hell, and that's blaspheming the Holy Spirit (aka. the sin of Unbelief).
If a true believer in Jesus Christ committed suicide, he/she goes to heaven, HOWEVER, he/she does NOT get the great eternal rewards that he/she could have received had she persevered. For it is said:
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this NOT of yourself, it is the gift of God, NOT of works, lest any man should boast. (Eph. 2:8-9)
It is also said in Romans 10:9
"... for if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
Our salvation is NOT based on works, EVER.
You say, as is the stance of the Roman Catholic church, that...
Salvation = faith + works
But this is incorrect, for according to scripture, the proper equation is....
faith = salvation + works
Read Phil. 2:12-13 to get my drift.
To the glory of God,
Randy
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seekingpurity047
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QuantaCura said:
The tradition of Thomas Aquinas? Sorry... but Bible > Thomas Aquinas any day.
To the glory of God,
Randy
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ChrisinMI said:
This is sinning, and denying yourself the right to repent in one shot. I think it's pretty clear that you dive straight into eternal damnation by committing suicide. Our lives are not ours to take remember. Christ owns them because he paid for each and every one of them... that was easy. Next question.
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GL2814 said:
I'm sorry, but once saved always saved implies that God is a fool. Otherwise why would he (through the bible) talk about backsliders if they don't exist??????????????????????????????????????????
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So Christ didn't REALLY mean he forgives the believer of ALL sins past and present? That he throws them as far as the east is to the west?? I think I would tend to agree with seekingpurity with the fact that they go to heaven but it will count against their eternal rewards. One does not know the mind of a person that commits suicide..they could have been possessed by a demon.northstar said:
The question came to me after watching Kingdom of Heaven this past weekend. My husband and I disagreed on this and I wanted to see what this boards stance was. Interesting posts.
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We will all die with unrepented sin in our lives, if only becasue, in our sinful state, we often do not recognize sins as sin. It is an impossibility for any human to die having repented of every sin they ever committed. Our salvation is not dependenat upon or memory or our ability to recognize all of ours sins for what they are.
A Christian who commits suicide is still a Christian and Christians go to heaven.
A Christian who commits suicide is still a Christian and Christians go to heaven.
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If you are saved and commit suicide I believe you will go to heaven and as some one said once saved always saved .
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cygnusx1 said:
I agree. Only God knows the state of mind someone was in to want to kill themselves. Its very easy for us to say how selfish, and awful they were to do it, and they will go to hell, but God is the final judge, and I believe he has mercy on people who are sick, and desperate enouph to think they had no other way out.
As far as once saved, always saved, I'm not sure that I believe in that in the way it is phrased. I do believe we always have the opportunity to be saved. God loved us before we were saved, and he will always take us back, but being saved does not give us a license to live our lives as we choose
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