His religion is treated differently to his science, his science is not influenced by his religion, when he's in his lab he never ever say's to himself 'magic must have caused that' or 'God must be the answer to that problem'.
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His religion is treated differently to his science, his science is not influenced by his religion, when he's in his lab he never ever say's to himself 'magic must have caused that' or 'God must be the answer to that problem'.What about Christian scientists of the present? Like Francis Collins, who is a leading geneticist and science communicator?
Francis Collins must be an easily influenced American.What about Christian scientists of the present? Like Francis Collins, who is a leading geneticist and science communicator?
Affirmative to both.Are you on good terms with the poster known as 'dad' on these forums? Don't you often agree with him?
Fortunately, we do not have a bronze age God. We have an eternal God who was, who is and who shall remain.Assuming a rational universe with consistant laws of nature, does not require the belief in a bronze age god.
Fortunately, we do not have a bronze age God. We have an eternal God who was, who is and who shall remain.
Please refrain from blasphemy in the future. It only makes you look ridiculous, and demonstrates how much you really do not understand.
Who? dad or Francis Collins?Well I asked him once, and he said he doesn't go to church.
Which came first? God or bronze?The religion factually originated in the bronze age. By all accounts, that makes it a bronze age religion.
By what magical process did this universe come about?Assuming a rational universe with consistant laws of nature, does not require the belief in any gods.
You are showing irreverence to God.How is it blasphemous?
Citation needed, because that statement is a lie.The religion factually originated in the bronze age.
You don't have facts, you have claims based on an erroneous view of history. Man did not create God, God created man. Wise men still seek Him and still find Him. God has never been very far from man. It is man who has separated himself from God.Are facts blasphemous?
By what magical process did this universe come about?
By what magical process did life come about?
You can't answer these questions because science cannot account for the origination of anything. Origination is, in fact, logically impossible. Yet, we are here. Science tells us that everything evolved from one cell billions of years ago, and yet despite extreme attempts to force the evolution of a mere fruit fly the only logical conclusion is that it doesn't happen.
You are showing irreverence to God.
You are allowed to doubt, but it is against the rules to talk disparaging against God on this website.
Citation needed, because that statement is a lie.
God's relationship with man began when man began. In fact, some of the earliest known records reference God. God walked and spoke with Adam. Atheism didn't exist before the 5th century BC. It began in ancient Greece.
You don't have facts, you have claims based on an erroneous view of history. Man did not create God, God created man. Wise men still seek Him and still find Him. God has never been very far from man. It is man who has separated himself from God.
By what magical process did this universe come about?
By what magical process did life come about?
You can't answer these questions because science cannot account for the origination of anything.
Origination is, in fact, logically impossible.
Yet, we are here. Science tells us that everything evolved from one cell billions of years ago, and yet despite extreme attempts to force the evolution of a mere fruit fly the only logical conclusion is that it doesn't happen.
You are showing irreverence to God.
You are allowed to doubt, but it is against the rules to talk disparaging against God on this website.
Citation needed, because that statement is a lie.
God's relationship with man began when man began
The oldest written human records date to a time long before abrahamic religion existed. Any gods they mention, is not the god of abraham. That only came much later.In fact, some of the earliest known records reference God.
God walked and spoke with Adam.
Atheism didn't exist before the 5th century BC. It began in ancient Greece.
You don't have facts, you have claims based on an erroneous view of history.
Man did not create God, God created man. Wise men still seek Him and still find Him. God has never been very far from man. It is man who has separated himself from God.
God doesn't do magic.Its the religious who belive in magic, atheists tend not to (but Im sure there are exceptions).
Funny how they refuse to call their godless abiogenesis, billion happy improbable accidents which eventually turns fish into people via godless evolution magic isn't it?God doesn't do magic.
Exodus 8:18 And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast.
Exodus 8:19 Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.
Yup.Funny how they refuse to call their godless abiogenesis, billion happy improbable accidents which eventually turns fish into people via godless evolution magic isn't it?
Magic is the suspension or violation of natural law.Funny how they refuse to call their godless abiogenesis, billion happy improbable accidents which eventually turns fish into people via godless evolution magic isn't it?
Its the religious who belive in magic, atheists tend not to (but Im sure there are exceptions).
Science on the other hand is trying to find the scientic answers on both the beginning of the universe and abiogenesis.I'm trying to find the scientific explanation for a man walking on water and calming a storm.
The fact is, and I repeat, science cannot account for origination.
Saying that they are looking for an answer does not change the fact that science cannot account for origination.
We know that God created the world and all living things.
You say, no, it wasn't God, but you have no other answers that fit with natural law. So you have nothing.I DON'T UNDERSTAND?Its not logically impossible. Logic does in fact not work that way. Just because you dont understand does not make it "logically impossible".
1. Matter/energy cannot be created.
2. Matter is in a constant state of increasing entropy so it's not eternal.
3. In the absence of anything, nothing will ever happen. Never.
There are NO scientifically valid theories of origination. String theory, quantum theory; all can be debunked with a 7th grade text book.
Logic accepts absolutes when they exist.
Logic understands that you can travel east around the earth forever and never be heading west.
Logic understands that things cannot auto-create themselves.
It's a creation/evolution debate. Please tell me the science required for God to create the world in six days. Please tell me how God formed man from the dust of the earth. There is nothing scientific about a supernatural creation. The question is whether our origination was natural or supernatural. It it was supernatural, it is illogical to expect to find a natural solution.This, however, is the science part where science is supposed to be debated.
No, it isn't.Magic is the suspension or violation of natural law.
Then let's use the 'real thing.'TagliatelliMonster said:Off course, I mean "the real thing".
The fact is, and I repeat, science cannot account for origination
3. In the absence of anything, nothing will ever happen. Never.
There are NO scientifically valid theories of origination. String theory, quantum theory; all can be debunked with a 7th grade text book.
Logic understands that things cannot auto-create themselves
No, it isn't.
Then let's use the 'real thing.'
Real magic [allegedly] is the use of hidden ... not suspended ... natural forces; and is the Latin word for "sorcery."
Do you know what is "theological"?In short: you do not know what is "logical", in advance.
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