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Political Critics of the Prepper Movement



Political critics of the prepper movement, almost all of them liberal and socialist in their ideology, insist that preppers are pessimistic about mankind and are paranoid about how people will act in crisis situations. One such critic criticizing prepping writes:

"...There is no room for the possibility that people could in fact provide each other mutual aid in a crisis situation or even develop community-based alternatives to the current socio-economic system...”

“…Perhaps it would be naïve to think that in a crisis people would band together for the common good..."

I have to wonder where these people who "band together" are going to get their food? 100 socialists with no food are not going to magically produce food from nothing. What do you get when you have 100 socialists without food? After about three weeks you have 100 starving socialists. In four weeks you have 100 socialists who "develop a community-based alternative" that seeks to rob you of your preps. 100 people in the middle of the desert without water are not going to "provide mutual aid" to each other and "poof" water out of the sand. Such logic really is "head in the sand" and these people will no doubt be "banding together" with the goal of redistributing the wealth of your preps to all those they convinced not to prep. Their idea of "mutual aid" is for you to prep and for them to redistribute the wealth of your long term stored food. These are the power-lust people whose sole motivation is to control you. If they do not prep they do not want you to prep either. If they did not think of it and they cannot control it, they are against it. We see them doing this today. They are the same old distribution of wealth people that have been playing Robin Hood for a hundred and fifty years now. They will not help you. They will not even help themselves. These are the people that motivate many preppers to buy guns. They are arrogant and smug and will very likely come to a bad end. It is tragic because all they have to do is go to Sam’s Club and by some rice and other goods. They could save their lives and the lives of their families. It does not have to end this way for them.

 

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History is on the side of the prepper. As civilizations age they become weak and fragile. Virtually all civilizations fail from within. Even civilizations that fall due to war do so because they became weak and that weakness invited opportunistic aggressive neighbors to take advantage. America is no different. She is failing from within. She is becoming weaker and more fragile. There is an arrogance and presumption that she can never fail. As America loses its moral core, it no longer has the inner strength and resolve to continue. Greed and lust for power are not strengths that perpetuate a civilization, they are weakness that lead to its demise. Many preppers will not articulate it this way, but inwardly they are preparing for what they intuitively know is coming.

 

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All things considered, prepping is primarily a economic exercise. Preppers anticipate the breakdown of the supplies, or the supply lines, or the economic structure that feeds the American way of life. Without the supply and the supply lines to provide the goods, and without the monetary system that drives it, the American economic structure disappears. It is the demise of that economic structure that necessitates prepping. I for one do not care what event brings about the "stuff hitting the fan." I just know when it does you will not be able to get the "stuff" you need for your family to survive. If you do not prep now, it will be too late on day one.

 

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Very often opponents of prepping will insist that preppers identify the event that will bring on the economic collapse that demands we prep. "What is it that you think is going to happen?" They will then quickly calculate the odds that such an event would occur and use those odds to refute the need to prep. Their logic sounds valid on the surface, but it is only valid if you allow them to frame the question. If you were flying to a city in America, and asked me if I knew in what city you were to land, the chances I would be correct would be pretty small. But that does not mean the plane is not going to land! The plane is going to land somewhere. So to with prepping. Just because we cannot predict the future and tell you what event(s) is going to bring about the economic collapse, that does not invalidate our thinking. Cumulatively the probability that something will happen to knock over the teetering structure is a great deal higher than simply looking at individual events. The civilization is a Jenga tower and more and more blocks are being added to the top. As time goes on the tower becomes both higher and more unstable. Most of the blocks will continue to hold up under the pressure and maintain a balance. Eventually, and it will only take one, a block will be pulled that brings about the failure of the structure. We do not have to know which event will bring about the collapse. It will be something. When it happens, that is what we have been prepping for.
For instance, the show "Doomsday Preppers" will present preppers who declare a single, specific event they believe will bring about the chaos. One family will be prepare for an EMP blast while another will be prepare for a mega-earthquake. Others will be preparing for climate changes while others see war as the trigger. Evaluated individually, these specific named events have a small probability of occurring. Yet when considered together the probability increases to a virtual surety. As with our plane destination analogy, if not New York, then Miami. If not Miami, then Atlanta. The plane is going to land somewhere. The fact that we do not know where does not mean it is not going to land at all. Rest assured, it is going to land.
I have to chuckle when, at the of each showing of "Doomsday Preppers," "experts" will evaluate the probability of the trigger event taking place. They always pronounce the event unlikely. Yet these "experts" are the same ones that got us here to start with. What economist is going predict the fragility of his lives' work? What political or scientist is going to admit the world they have built up around us is a haphazardly constructed Jenga tower doomed to eventual and sure failure? What do you expect these "experts" to say?

 

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The reality is that the show "Doomsday Preppers" has little to do with 99% of true preppers. Most preppers are not building arsenals or fortified castles. We do not own a gun, nor are we planning to fight or kill anyone. Most preppers are simply putting back food, water, and other preparations for the sole purpose of surviving a time when these sorts of items may be unavailable. The people and groups presented on DP are chosen to provide the most entertainment value. They are characters, extremists, and in some cases dangerous individuals if not criminals. I have no doubt that some of these people ended up on their local sheriffs watch list because of the violence and danger they have planned. Property traps, armored school buses, and 50 caliber machine guns? Are you serious? That is NOT what preppers and prepping is about. As far a protecting your home and family, preppers are no different than people today. What would you do today if someone broke into your home intent on stealing your goods and doing injury to your family? Would you protect yourself and your family? Please be kind enough to afford preppers the same right.
This is a very hard message to both say and to hear. Nobody wants to hear about bad times. Nobody wants to hear the "gloom and doom" that we seem to be spouting. I for one do not like to have to say it! I am basically a faith person. I want be believe in prosperous times of health and wealth. I want to predict times of wealth and health for all! But I have to tell you the truth.

 

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My wife and I are grandparents and great grandparents. All of our children have their own homes, families, and lives. Preppers use the phrase “stuff hits the fan” to designate the commencement of the unhappy events for which we are preparing. Even if the “stuff” never hits the proverbial fan, we have lost absolutely nothing. We rotate all our prepped food, meaning we use up the oldest items in the store and replace it with fresh. Because we purchase this food in bulk and use it on a regular basis, we find our grocery bill has actually gone down! Instead of buying rice at a dollar and a quarter a pound, we buy it in fifty pound bags at about 40 cents a pound. Dehydrated potatoes in 15 pound buckets are far cheaper than buying the same fresh, and they last for decades! Bulk beans and bulk dry goods are all cheaper. All in all we have actually reduced our food budget. We are prepping and we are reducing our grocery budget at the same time. So rather than being an additional expense, prepping is saving us money. We may never have to utilize these preparations. We smile at our children when we talk about our stacks of prepper food. “If nothing else you will inherit a bunch of long-term stored food… Who has dibs on the half ton of rice in Mylar bags?”

 

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It is our intention that our children and grand children never go hungry and will never be at the mercy of government or other social agencies. To be at the mercy of the government is just one more step toward being slaves to the state and their socialistic/dictatorial edicts. My 6th grade teacher used to say “you never get something for nothing.” He was correct. There is always a price to be paid for what you receive in this life. The government never gives you something for nothing. They will require you to give up some freedom or right in return. It should be your goal to be as unshackled from the world as possible.

 

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Prepping is an Investment

When we first started prepping, the price of a 50 pound bag of rice was less than $17. Within 6 months the price went up to $18.50. That is an almost 10% increase. At that rate, in ten years, a 50 pound bag of rice will cost over $100. That is over a 600% increase. This is just normal inflation driven by growth. Hyperinflation is another thing altogether. If hyperinflation hits, the price of simple things like rice, beans, batteries, even bread would skyrocket. Imagine a pound of rice going for a thousand dollars. Do you harrumph and say this sounds crazy? When hyper inflation hit Germany between the wars a loaf of bread would cost a wheelbarrow full of marks. In the year 1946 the value of the Hungarian pengo was cut in half every 15 hours. The inflation rate was over 200% a day. The worst was the hyperinflation in Zimbabwe just few short years ago. In July of 2008, inflation in that nation reached as high as 9 million percent. One US dollar equated to 688 billion ZWNs. Of course, at these values money is useless. People in Germany were using their paper money as fuel and wall paper. The paper was literally worth thousands of times more than the denomination that was printed thereon.



If stuff hits the fan and the dollar is rejected by our trading partners, you can look for hyperinflation. In the year 1900 the dollar was worth about 100 cents. Today that dollar in your pocket is worth less that a nickel. That means if everyone demanded metal for paper, they would hand everyone a nickel for every dollar. The dollar has a static inflation rate right now of 20 to 1 or 2000%. That is not tomorrow or at some time in the future. That is now. It is just that nobody is acting on it. When banks and nations start acting on the reality of our worthless money, that will be day one of hyperinflation and your dollar will be worth 5 cents. It goes down from there. That $2 loaf of bread will cost 20 times as much, or $40. That 50 pound bag of rice that now costs you $20, will then cost you $400. Each of your 5 pound bags of rice packed in Mylar will suddenly be worth $40 each.

 

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We do not want to get overly dramatic, but prepping could turn into a matter of life and death for you and your family. And do not think that all our leaders are against hyperinflation. While hyperinflation is bad for some, it is good for others. Those with fixed mortgages will suddenly find themselves in the happy position of being able to pay off their homes in a matter of months because while their wages go up 1000%, their house payment would remain the same. This is true for other debt related finance. It is rumored that the US may force hyperinflation so that it can quickly pay off its foreign debt. However, nations such as China might refuse to accept the worthless dollar, and this strategy would backfire on the US.
Prepping is an investment and a hedge against hyperinflation. That bag of rice will always feed your family for weeks, regardless of what happens to the economy. If nothing happens in your lifetime, then you still have a perfectly good bag of rice.
 

 

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“A hundred years ago, having extra supplies in the house was considered completely normal. But that has changed.
A recent survey found that 55 percent of Americans have less than three days supply of food in their homes. Many people have no emergency supplies, or even a first aid kit…”
Chuck Holton CBN News

 

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One need not be a prophet or an exceedingly wise man to see the warnings that are being shouted out all around us. Trouble is coming. You can prepare for yourself, your family, and your friends; or you can endure the suffering that was not intended for you.

Matthew 16:2-3 KJV
2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

When we, by common sense and a solid knowledge of history, can see what is coming, we should discern the signs and the times. A “correction” is coming. Economists from every corner are predicting this. Some predict a small correction while others predict a full collapse on a scale greater than the Great Depression. Climatologists agree that the weather excesses we area experiencing will continue and likely get worse. Sociologists are perplexed that while social and educational would seem to be getting better, crime and sociological problems are increasing. In whatever shape or form the “correction” takes, as a believer, it is not meant for you. What is coming will mainly be an act of nature as it moves to spew perversion and abominations from off the land. This is not meant for the righteous, but the righteous must make common sense preparations for what is coming. This is not only Biblical, but practical.

 

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BRACING FOR THE END?
Nine out of 10 Americans expect a world disaster to occur in the next quarter century, yet 56% say they aren’t prepared, according to a survey conducted for National Geographic Channel. The percentage in the survey of 1,040 adults who predicted the following catastrophes:

Significant hurricane: 58%
Major earthquake: 53%
Terrorist attack: 51%
Financial collapse: 49%
Widespread blackout: 33%
Pandemic: 25%
Nuclear fallout: 13%
Source:
Kelton Research
for National Geographic Channel

For as little as $100 a month you can begin to make preparations that will save the lives of your family as well as several other individuals. Within 6 months you can have enough food and other preparations stored to last a year or longer. It all depends on how much you want to allocate to your prepping effort. It is up to you and your conscience how far you take it. The time, money, and effort we put into prepping equates to nothing more than an enjoyable hobby. Yet in less than a year we have accumulated enough food to last us several years. Rice can be bought in bulk for less than $20 for 50 pounds. We purchased 250 1-gallon Mylar bags for less than $100. 250 oxygen absorber packets cost us less than $40. We bagged 100 5 pound bags of rice for less than $240. That is a foundational-level start to food prepping that will last a family of 4 for over a year. Add to this various kinds of beans, dried potatoes, canned garden items, and several dried dairy products, and you will be well on your way to a clean, safe, dependable food stock that will be available to you for decades.

 

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Look who is Prepping?



Spacious and luxurious multi million dollar bunkers are being built across the country by the federal, state, and local government agencies. The super rich and famous are into bunker building also.


The US Government is Prepping!“

The Government is Building Underground BUNKERS on a Mass Scale!”
October 26th, 2010
InvestmentWatch - Recession, more taxes in the coming decade no matter who is the president

Government officials are elected to look out for you. They only want to make sure that you're healthy, safe and well protected... right after they make sure that they're healthier, safer and better protected. That's why FEMA has spent 1.3 billion dollars building secret bunkers all across the United States solely to house government officials in case the unthinkable happens.​

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“If one had to guess, due to a lack of statistical data, one might say that the single largest preparedness goods and services consumer in the world is the U.S. government. They plan for all sorts of disasters… We also know, for a fact, that the US government has built secure bunkers in the past to protect high value personnel like the President of the United States and other elected officials. This was confirmed prior to and during the September 11th attacks, when President Bush and Vice President Cheney were reportedly transferred to secure, undisclosed locations… (The) U.S. government is still engaged in the building of massive underground bunker systems… In fact, the US government is reportedly building so fast and so widespread, that private contractors in the bunker business are having a difficult time obtaining necessary equipment and supplies to continue their developments. Anecdotal reports over the years suggest that the largest buyer of freeze dried goods from major freeze dried food manufacturers is none other than the U.S. government. One of our recommended emergency preparedness partners indicates that they serve not only retail customers, but government entities as well, including the Transportation Security Administration, US State Department, and the Department of Homeland Security.

The government is and has been preparing for something, perhaps many things, for decades. The very existence of FEMA and Department of Homeland Security suggests that they are planning for wide a variety of possibilities. To be clear, the fact that they are planning for something doesn’t necessarily mean that it will happen – just that it’s a possibility.
Those very same people – your neighbors, friends, and family members – who may consider your personal preparedness efforts a little over the top would likely agree that the government spending billions of dollars on emergency preparedness is worthwhile project given the many possibilities for calamity to occur…
The issue, however, is that the government may be spending billions, but they cannot possibly prepare for wide scale, total collapse situations where tens of millions of lives are at risk. It is simply not possible.
Our government, even if they tried, would not be able to stock enough food and resources for the entire population of the United States… The takeaway from understanding that the government is preparing for disasters is to acknowledge that, in an emergency, you and your family may be left floating up the Creek without a paddle… The US government is preparing for large scale disasters. Are you?”
Mac Slavo
October 26th, 2010
(staff edit)​

Bunker Sales are Skyrocketing across the country. CNN Money reports:

Sales of luxury doomsday bunkers up 1,000%

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- A devastating earthquake strikes Japan. A massive tsunami kills thousands. Fears of a nuclear meltdown run rampant. Bloodshed and violence escalate in Libya.
And U.S. companies selling doomsday bunkers are seeing sales skyrocket anywhere from 20% to 1,000%. Systems, which offers shelters ranging in price from $200,000 to $20 million, has seen sales surge 70% since the uprisings in the Middle East, with the Japanese earthquake only spurring further interest. In hard numbers, that's 12 shelters already booked when the company normally sells four shelters per year.
"Sales have gone through the roof, to the point where we are having trouble keeping up," said Northwest Shelter Systems owner Kevin Thompson.
UndergroundBombShelter.com, which sells portable shelters, bomb shelters and underground bunkers, has seen inquiries soar 400% since the Japanese earthquake. So far sales of its $9,500 nuclear biological chemical shelter tents are at an all-time high -- with four sold in California last week, compared to about one a month normally.
Hardened Structures said inquiries have shot up about 20% since the earthquake -- particularly for its apocalyptic 2012 shelters, radiation-protection tents, and nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) air filters.
Vivos, a company that sells rooms in 200-person doomsday bunkers, has received thousands of applications since the massive earthquake in Japan, with reservations spiking nearly 1,000% last week. And people are backing their fear with cash: A reservation requires a minimum deposit of $5,000.
"People are afraid of the earth-changing events and ripple effects of the earthquake, which led to tsunamis, the nuclear meltdown, and which will lead to radiation and health concerns," said Vivos CEO Robert Vicino. "Where it ends, I don't know. Does it lead to economic collapse? A true economic collapse would lead to anarchy, which could lead to 90% of the population being killed off."
The last time people flocked to purchase bunkers in such droves was right before the Y2K scare, according to Stephen O'Leary, an associate professor at University of Southern California and an expert on apocalyptic thinking.
"Tens of millions of people believe in a literal apocalypse, which involves earthquakes, storms, disasters of global proportions and especially disasters related to the Middle East," O'Leary said.​

money.cnn.com/2011/03/22/real-estate/doomsday bunkers/

 

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Movie stars and Billionaires are Prepping!

“The US government is the largest shelter builder in the world. It’s been on a shelter building binge for the last 15 years. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has been buying up all dehydrated food. Last week alone it purchased five million meals. They are gearing up like you wouldn’t believe…
Who buys modern shelters? People like the King of Jordan, politicians, movie stars and billionaires in capitols around the world. The construction contract keeps their names and locations secret but Camden admits HS has signed technical assistance agreements with the Turks and Saudis…
“Hardened Structures” is licensed by the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms) allowing it to import biological, chemical and radiation filters into the United States.
‘We have to be certified by the US Government so the material will not be used illegally. The State Department is very serious about this…’”
Brian Camden
Hardened Structures of Virginia Beach Edit International - Feature news stories from around the world

The “High and Mighty” and Prepping!

Located in the Blue Ridge Mountains, an hour’s drive west of Washington D.C., the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) was built during the height of the Cold War as part of a ‘federal relocation arc’ of underground facilities designed to house government officials during times of international crisis. As you would expect, very little is known about Mt Weather, but rest assured, there will little point trying to bang on the blast doors when catastrophe strikes. This one is strictly for the high and mighty.
10 Best Bunkers
WH Mumfrey's Survival Journal

The Elite are Prepping!

"Walton McCarthy, owner and principal engineer of Radius Engineering International, builds underground disaster shelters that protect against nuclear, chemical and biological warfare, among other things.
He said his business has tripled since July, when reports of Iranian missile tests surfaced. McCarthy’s disaster shelters hold 10 to 300 people and cost $105,000 to $6 million. His customers include politicians, doctors and key executives."
Survivalist Forum Survival Gear SHTF and TEOTWAWKI Articles

The founder of the VIVOS Group, Robert Vicino, states that there is a network of bunkers across the country near major cities. “The government has these facilities, they just don’t have them for you and me…” ABC News profiled Mr Vicino while he was in the midst of converting a Cold War bunker into a high-end escape pod, with many of the units already sold.
ABC News
YouTube

The Super-Rich are Prepping!

The Huffington Post ran a piece entitled “Super-Rich Plan To Survive Apocalypse In Underground Luxury Condos” The article reveals plans underway to build multi million dollar underground condos available to only the super rich who can afford them. The article goes on to say:
“But fancy doomsday shelters aren't the only luxurious toys the super-rich have been investing in recently. Some have built emergency rooms in their own homes that cost up to $1 million. While others have bought submarines to reach the deepest place in the ocean.”
By Khadeeja Safdar
Breaking News and Opinion on The Huffington Post
Wall Streeters are Prepping!

Wall Street Adviser:
Stock Up On Guns and Ammo For The Collapse

It’s not every day you hear a Wall Street adviser telling America to start packing heat in preparation for what’s coming, but that’s exactly what David John Marotta says you should be doing. Marotta says that at all times you should have a "bug-out bag" that includes food, a gun and ammo to help stay alive. This bag should have you prepared for at least 72 hours.
Marotta, a top financial adviser and Forbes contributor said in his latest blog post;

"I along with many other economists, agree with many of the concerns expressed in these dire warnings. The growing debt and deficit spending is a tax on those holding dollars. The devaluation in the U.S. dollar risks the dollar’s status as the reserve currency of the world. Obamacare was the worst legislation in the past 75 years. Socialism is on the rise and the NSA really is abrogating vast portions of the Constitution. I don’t disagree with their concerns."

Fox News

FEMA is Prepping!

“The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is contacting storable food suppliers requesting immediate delivery of food reserves within a 24 hour period, increasing suspicions that the federal government is accelerating its preparations for social disorder or an environmental calamity….”
“…In recent years the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has been regionalizing disaster supplies and rapidly procuring hundreds of millions of ready-to-eat meals, blankets, and body bags. Coupled with the Department of Homeland Security’s suspiciously massive purchases of ammunition, firearms, and riot gear, it is becoming increasingly clear that the U.S. government is positioning itself in advance of an as of yet unknown widespread calamity,” writes Mac Slavo…”

“…Similar to how the DHS’ huge bullet purchases over the last 18 months have caused shortages in ammunition, bulk food reserves are also becoming more scarce as a result of massive FEMA stockpiling, prompting concerns that “something is ready to pop off…”

FEMA Demanding 24 Hour Delivery of Emergency Food Reserves
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
August 6, 2013


>>>>
Body bags?
Ammunition?
Riot Gear? – why would FEMA need riot gear?
DIDS<<<



Watson asks a valid question:

“Although FEMA is now purchasing storable food in quantities amounting to $1 billion dollars a year, individual Americans who follow their example by stocking up with bulk food buys are simultaneously being labeled as potential terrorists by the federal government…”

We must admit that FEMA may be just formulating contingency plans. This may just be a “what if” calculation. Yet the fact that they are making such inquiries at all is interesting. We try to stay away from conspiracy theories. Yet the reality is there. They are investigating the need for long term food storage. That should be enough to perk up your ears.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Well you know 50 should be enough. I could probably double this with a little effort. But if 50 does not convince then a 100 or 1000000 will not.

Well in the process I have given away about half of my book "A Christian Approach to Doomsday Prepping" But that is OK. The point is to encourage and exhort believers to make some reasonable and simple preparations for what is obviously coming.

Blessings....
Dids

 

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In the event we don't get a separate forum, maybe we could do a thread.

For me, every time I start reading stuff like this I find myself getting fearful. I don't want to be fearful and I don't want to be caught unprepared either. My current situation is that I live in a very tiny apartment. I barely have space for my dishes and daily food, so where am I supposed to stock everything?

 

[psalms 91]

You should store it where it is hidden and unaccessable except to you or people you trust as if a collapse on the scale they are talking about comes, and it will at some point thyen lawlessness will rule the day and many will try to take what they need. What do you think will happen when stores run out of food and if they are not restocked every week by truck or train they will. What happens if there are other disasters that occur? You should have a bag that contains what you need for 72 hours but you should also have a store that can last until you can grow food and guns are for hunting as well as protection. Also get some heirloom seeds to plant. Mountain House and others sell them in tins that will last 25 years and with heirloom seeds you can get more seeds from your crops.

 

[psalms 91]

You should store it where it is hidden and unaccessable except to you or people you trust as if a collapse on the scale they are talking about comes, and it will at some point then lawlessness will rule the day and many will try to take what they need. What do you think will happen when stores run out of food and if they are not restocked every week by truck or train they will. What happens if there are other disasters that occur? You should have a bag that contains what you need for 72 hours but you should also have a store that can last until you can grow food and guns are for hunting as well as protection. Also get some heirloom seeds to plant. Mountain House and others sell them in tins that will last 25 years and with heirloom seeds you can get more seeds from your crops.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

In the event we don't get a separate forum, maybe we could do a thread.

Hi Barbara!
That will happen if no forum is started, maybe in leisure or something!
If I recall when we were mods we could move threads around. Regardless of whether we get a forum or not, perhaps a sympatric mod will move this thread to another forum.

For me, every time I start reading stuff like this I find myself getting fearful. I don't want to be fearful and I don't want to be caught unprepared either. My current situation is that I live in a very tiny apartment. I barely have space for my dishes and daily food, so where am I supposed to stock everything?

Don't be fearful.
I know that is easy to say. But I assure you that you will be much less fearful with a couple dozen buckets and boxes of food in long term storage. No need to get preachy or teachy with you sister. You know the truth better than most! You are strong in the Lord and the power of Might! You do not have a spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. Tell the devil to take a hike. Jesus is Lord of all. Remind the devil of that disastrous day when Jesus rose from the dead an put a hurting on him. Remind him of where he is going. Tell him to move along in the name of Jesus!

Storage space...
That is not uncommon sister. My daughter has the same issue. She has a two room house with not a lot of room.
I have seen some pretty innovative solutions. I know of one where they store all the food in 5 gallon buckets. They arrange these into a rectangle the shape and size of their bed. In their case it is 7 X 5. They cover the araingment with 1/2 inch sheets of plywood and they place the bed on top. There you have 35 buckets of food.

This buckets in this image have no lids. The lids seal very well, and in fact you need a special tool to open them.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-H5iRRHcf3...AAJA/vG0uvEonaTM/s320/Mylar+Buckets+Grain.jpg


Some people make end tables or tables out of stacked buckets or boxes. The Mormons sell all their canned food in boxes that each hold 6 #10 cans. People sack these boxes two high and three across, cover the stack with a fabric, and call it an end table or bedside table. We currently have almost 32 5 gallon buckets filled with food packed in Mylar bags. We have all of our prepper food stored in our bedroom! against one wall we have a 4 x 5 stack of buckets. Against another wall we have 12 more. We have several boxes of the Mormon food across the foot of the bed. We have a small 5000 BTU air conditioner to keep the temperature at about 70 during the hot months. Food lasts longer if you keep it in the 70s. You lose about 1 year of storage life for every degree of temperature over 70. Keeping it all together in one place means you do not have to keep the entire house that cool all the time. Unless you have tons of space, this may be a little difficult, especially if you want to keep it hush hush.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I can see you have been looking into this also 91.
Secrecy is important depending on where you live. Imagine a city with seven or eight million people suddenly deprived of any source of food. Think two things... mass exodus to get out to the urban areas, and riots and pillaging.
In my opinion the best solution is to get an entire church involved. Create a massive storage area of food and water, clothing, and over the counter medical supplies. I am talking about 100 times more than what you need. Put a hundred thousand into it. That is just a fraction of what some pay for a sanctuary. When the dearth hits, do what that Lord instructs. Open a daily food kitchen where you can feed people, AND (of course) tell them about JESUS!!!

The seed idea is very sound, very sound indeed! For those who do not know what we are talking about, many vegetable plants today, in fact most, are hybrid. That means the seeds the plant produces will not produce new plants. They are inert. Heirloom plants, on the other hand, are good old original, God created plants that will grow new plants when planted.

You should store it where it is hidden and unaccessable except to you or people you trust as if a collapse on the scale they are talking about comes, and it will at some point then lawlessness will rule the day and many will try to take what they need. What do you think will happen when stores run out of food and if they are not restocked every week by truck or train they will. What happens if there are other disasters that occur? You should have a bag that contains what you need for 72 hours but you should also have a store that can last until you can grow food and guns are for hunting as well as protection. Also get some heirloom seeds to plant. Mountain House and others sell them in tins that will last 25 years and with heirloom seeds you can get more seeds from your crops.