Christian Nudists

[Darkhorse]

I saw that documentary on nude swinging in schools.

Boy, did I miss out! I could have gotten into that!

 

[A Catholic Friend]

There are no pools that allow nude swimming now except at nudist resorts? I need a friend with a pool lol.

 

[A Catholic Friend]

So the guys swim suits clogged the drains, but the girls swims suits never did? Does that make any sense?

 

[A Catholic Friend]

Is skinny dipping legal anywhere in the United States or you just have to pray that you don't get caught?

It is legal on private property right?

 

[Darkhorse]

There are no pools that allow nude swimming now except at nudist resorts? I need a friend with a pool lol.

Of course, privately-owned ones are available (friends).

 

[Darkhorse]

Is skinny dipping legal anywhere in the United States or you just have to pray that you don't get caught?

It is legal on private property right?

It is legal on private property as long as people adjacent to the property can't see the nudity under normal circumstances. If they go out of their way to see it, they can't complain.

Some National Recreation Areas (Federal land) and many states allow nudity as long as no one complains, and no "lewd acts" or "public disturbances" are involved.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I have never any seen any proof that girls ever swam nude in schools. Only males were.

So far, the only evidence I can find for female nude swimming is the following:

The 1937 Administration of Health and Physical Recreation training manual stated:
Nude bathing for boys is practiced universally, in a few schools girls may swim nude and this is the most sanitary method.

That doesn't prove that any girls availed themselves of the opportunity, of course.

It does show that female nude swimming was probably rare-to-nonexistent.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Cactus Jack]

Indeed, people twist scriptures to follow their own iniquitous desires. Rather than considering others, self indulgence is the goal. Sad.

Well, I've said my piece. Toodles.

What is it that would make this situation any better? Vow to live the rest of my life your standards? If you see me naked, look the other way. If it offends you, think of what it is you do that might offend others. You talk of “rather than considering others, self indulgence....”, but aren’t you being rather judgmental about this?

Matthew 7 – “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?”

Luke 6:37 – “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.”

No offense intended, but both John Calvin and John Knox would more than likely roundhouse kick you in the throat for being a nudist.

Speaking of judging....

Leviticus 19:15 – “‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.

I'm not calling for violence. I'm saying Calvin and Knox would most likely have gotten pretty angry.

I'm also calling for the exact opposite of tolerance. This is a behavior that should not be tolerated in any way, shape, or form outside the bond and bed of marriage.

As I have already said, you live your life your way, and I’ll live mine my way. If you don’t like it, look the other way. Otherwise that gives us the right to snoop into your personal life and tell you how to live. I bothers me when people endorse, such as you have done, the use of violence because we disagree. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

For those who sleep nude do you ever worry about sleep walking? Did you ever encounter a nude sleepwalker? Did they remember later? Did they get embarrassed?

Years ago I was on prescribed medication and that is exactly what it did to me. Didn’t matter if I was naked or dressed. And you bet it was embarrassing when my neighbors (who knew of my medical issues) accidentally wake me while walking me home. In the dead of winter. And I was...you got it.

Ouch.

 

[seekingsolace]

What is it that would make this situation any better? Vow to live the rest of my life your standards? If you see me naked, look the other way. If it offends you, think of what it is you do that might offend others. You talk of “rather than considering others, self indulgence....”, but aren’t you being rather judgmental about this?

Actually no. You are trying to justify selfish motives without considering others. Your nudity in public is simply self gratification. In effect you are forcing it on others. This has nothing to do with my standards. You vow to live your life under Gods standards. I have no concern of what you do privately.

Read the Bible, this isn't a hard concept. When people don't like the message they are quick to assume judgment. Jesus wasn't afraid to call out the hypocrites.

If you cause a brother or sister to sin, you are responsible. Rightly so, it brings you under condemnation. As a Christian you are expected to do more.

The intent is not to offend, but to highlight the logical fallacy of twisting scripture to our own desires.

 

[Dave-W]

I've done some research, and I believe it. Nude swimming for both males and females (separately) in American schools was a real thing, and ended around the mid-1970s.

Yeah - never happened at our school. We had no pool.

I found out later that was because our small town had a 12-15% black population and certain community leaders did not want their kids sharing the same pool with blacks.

 

[toramei]

Twisting scriptures to satisfy your own desires.This is a powerful statement that could be used by believers and non believers.
The most important knowledge is ' Love the LORD with all your being " and Love your neighbor as yourself "
GOD created nudity let us make man in our image.
How do we twist this for our own desires?

 

[dayhiker]

I find some are self righteous saying we shouldn't be nude because we might offend people. I pretty much follow that. But Paul says ever man should be convinced in his own mind. To me this means the one being offended needs to speak to the one they are offended by and ask them to not do what is offending them. Paul tells us that Christ set us free. So we are to live as free people. If we just assumed that everyone was offended, we wouldn't be free.
I do believe in respecting people boundaries and I do that. If they have a boundary they need to tell me as I don't know it till they tell me.

 

[Cactus Jack]

Actually no. You are trying to justify selfish motives without considering others. Your nudity in public is simply self gratification. In effect you are forcing it on others. This has nothing to do with my standards. You vow to live your life under Gods standards. I have no concern of what you do privately.

Are you telling me what God's standards are? Or are they really your own interpretation of what you feel are His standards?
And how would that make you any different than me?

 

[Dave-W]

I find some are self righteous saying we shouldn't be nude because we might offend people. I pretty much follow that. But Paul says ever man should be convinced in his own mind. To me this means the one being offended needs to speak to the one they are offended by and ask them to not do what is offending them. Paul tells us that Christ set us free. So we are to live as free people. If we just assumed that everyone was offended, we wouldn't be free.
I do believe in respecting people boundaries and I do that. If they have a boundary they need to tell me as I don't know it till they tell me.

There is a HUGE misunderstanding as to what biblical "offense" consists of.

It is NOT upsetting their feelings or sense of morality.
It is not about how bad something looks.

What it IS about, is enticing someone to overtly sin.

So if you are naked and someone sees it as license to go fornicate or commit adultery, or it kicks their libido into the range where they cannot help but to lust; then you have offended them.

 

[Eudaimonist]

So if you are naked and someone sees it as license to go fornicate or commit adultery, or it kicks their libido into the range where they cannot help but to lust; then you have offended them.

If anything, it is trying to hide nudity from people that turns it into a forbidden fruit, and that causes nudity to be tightly associated with sex.

I have found that nude beaches very quickly become some of the least sexual places there are. I don't feel my libido "kick in", nor do I suddenly feel the need to fornicate or commit adultery.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Dave-W]

I have found that nude beaches very quickly become some of the least sexual places there are. I don't feel my libido "kick in", nor do I suddenly feel the need to fornicate or commit adultery.

That is your experience.

Other people's mileage may vary ....

 

[seekingsolace]

Are you telling me what God's standards are? Or are they really your own interpretation of what you feel are His standards?
And how would that make you any different than me?

Gods standards are littered throughout the Bible; they stand without private interpretation.

He doesn't ask much of us.

We are no different, our God is the same.

 

[seekingsolace]

I find some are self righteous saying we shouldn't be nude because we might offend people. I pretty much follow that. But Paul says ever man should be convinced in his own mind. To me this means the one being offended needs to speak to the one they are offended by and ask them to not do what is offending them. Paul tells us that Christ set us free. So we are to live as free people. If we just assumed that everyone was offended, we wouldn't be free.
I do believe in respecting people boundaries and I do that. If they have a boundary they need to tell me as I don't know it till they tell me.

The problem is, you find their boundaries by testing them. It is too late then. This is a public lifestyle choice, not a private one.

It is not self righteous to acknowledge our actions can offend others, or cause them to sin. Paul tells you Christ sets us free yes, he also tells us not to put a stumbling block in front of brothers. Liberty in Christ does not nullify our duty as Christians to act in love and understanding.

1 Corinthians 8:11-13 And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.

We are not privy to the thought of every human being. Nor do we know their weaknesses. Yet it is our duty to be a beacon of light, not giving a brother or sister cause to stumble.

 

[HonestTruth]

So far, the only evidence I can find for female nude swimming is the following:

The 1937 Administration of Health and Physical Recreation training manual stated:
Nude bathing for boys is practiced universally, in a few schools girls may swim nude and this is the most sanitary method.

That doesn't prove that any girls availed themselves of the opportunity, of course.

It does show that female nude swimming was probably rare-to-nonexistent.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Correct. I checked into other online discussions and found only vague references to girls nude bathing in summer camps, not in schools.

By contrast, it was required for boys in public and private schools, including many Christian institutions and in colleges as well.

 

[dayhiker]

Dave ... I completely agree that the offense isn't sensibilities or personal preference type things. As you say it is about offenses that lead some to sin or worse to deny Christ.

My point is that I don't know what peoples offenses are. I know one guy who was concern going to a church that used wine for communion. Who would know if the people spoke up about what offends them and lets me know. I always respect and honor ever boundary anyone sets up.

I don't think we are expected to have a list of everything that can offend someone to sin or deny Christ and never do those everywhere at all times.
When we know someone will be offended then we don't do it. Till then I walk in the freedom there is in Christ.

I personally get offended when a person drives drunk. I have a friend who doesn't. So I speak up when a person is about to drive drunk. Tho I find they aren't very good at respecting other people's boundaries. Then I have to deal with it.