Christian marriage same gender? Where???

[quatona]

Belk,
Sorry but I am NOT drawing ethical conclusions from the reality, so this isnt a naturalistic fallacy, it is recognising anatomic function as opposed to thinking that what they think must be reality because they think it.

There is no disagreement whatsoever in the question whether a function of the sexual organs is reproduction.
There is no disagreement as far as this reality goes.

Unless you leave it at that you do draw ethical conclusions.



Another reality is that what homosexual couples do with each other (physically, spiritually, financially...) does not require two sexes (else they couldn´t do it, in the first place,. and there wouldn´t be a discussion about their relationships).

The human species has two sexes, not one, so the idea that one makes a sexual relationship is nonsense based on what exists.

If they can´t have a "sexual relationship" why do you spend so much time discussing these relationships?
Quite apparently these people do have the relationships they have.
Now, either you are trying to define this reality out of existence (in which case you can´t be opposed to this reality).
Or you are willing to discuss these relationships as they exist (in which case your semantics objection "but it isn´t sex because sex requires two sexes") is irrelevant.

IOW (and reduced to the physical, natural reality that you are so obsessed with):
Anal and oral penetration don´t require two sexes. The anus and the mouth do serve the reality/functionality of anal and oral intercourse regardless of the sex/gender of the person.

This is, of course, not to say that same sex/gender relationships are about physical stuff to the extent that you seem to think they are.
Just like with opposite sex/gender relationships the physical aspect is just one (more or less important) aspect of the relationship.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Are you serious or are you joking? Gods stance on homosexuality is clear "It is an abomination". Why do people continue to twist scripture to suit them and wont accept that there are sins which shouldnt be commited.

Do you follow all the laws of Leviticus?

I doubt it
Do you cut your hair?
Wear clothing made of different fabrics?
Allow people with glasses to attend your church?
Keep slaves?
Eat shellfish?

Even though you personally do not follow the many laws of Leviticus yet you do not seem to have a problem using Leviticus laws to attack a minority. Why?

I dont see any scriptural support of your view so ill ask a simple task. If you can say to me that the Holy Spirit has confirmed to you that Jesus supports equality, no matter if your a homosexual or not than i will bow out, far be it from me to oppose the word of the Holy Spirit.

Can you say to me that the Holy Spirit has confirmed to you that Jesus supports hatred, prejudice and discrimination?

 

[BigBadWlf]

His argument from silence means that he shouldn't in principle be against sexual relations with animals, children, dead people, etc., because Jesus was 'silent' on these too.

It is the same thing we see again and again this attempt to de-humanize a minority in order to justify prejudice and discrimination. By claiming a minority is diseased or degenerate, criminal and/or focused on sex, or any other number of hate based claims then it reduces that minority to something less than human and supposedly makes discrimination somehow justified.

Consider how racists attempt to define black people as animals, as intellectual and cultural inferiors and as a people obsessed with sex. Those who hate Jews define them as communists, swindlers, baby killers and sex fiends. Of course none of these claims were true and neither is the comparison of gays and lesbians to people who sexually abuse children. The bogus comparison is the same hateful and that is the best thing that can be said about it

 

[BigBadWlf]

One could say you're like all others here who embrace sin and call it love. Who ignore that Jesus condemned sin.

You mean like the sin of prejudice?

 

[BigBadWlf]

Some are wrong.

“You can safely assume you have created God in your own image when it turns out that he hates all the same people that you do.” ~ Anne Lamott

 

[BigBadWlf]

wow man whats with the hostility and what kind of attitude is that. If your set in your ways and refuse to change then so be it, but don't go speaking for everybody here.

Shiny shiny mirror

 

[Philothei]

It is the same thing we see again and again this attempt to de-humanize a minority in order to justify prejudice and discrimination. By claiming a minority is diseased or degenerate, criminal and/or focused on sex, or any other number of hate based claims then it reduces that minority to something less than human and supposedly makes discrimination somehow justified.

So Christ telling the adultress to go and sin no more....He was also a prejudice...and was making a ethical discriminatory coment? He was not "respecting" her decision to 'express' her "individuality???

Or St. Paul saying that Arsenokoites were endagnering their salvation?

Consider how racists attempt to define black people as animals, as intellectual and cultural inferiors and as a people obsessed with sex. Those who hate Jews define them as communists, swindlers, baby killers and sex fiends. Of course none of these claims were true and neither is the comparison of gays and lesbians to people who sexually abuse children. The bogus comparison is the same hateful and that is the best thing that can be said about it

"there is no jew or greek or female or male...." This is about sinning not about culture... You are indeed comparing apples with oranges here

 

[Philothei]

You mean like the sin of prejudice?

So st. Paul was a prejudiced man saying the unrepented Arsenokoites will not enter the kingdom of God?

 

[Montalban]

It is the same thing we see again and again this attempt to de-humanize a minority in order to justify prejudice and discrimination. By claiming a minority is diseased or degenerate, criminal and/or focused on sex, or any other number of hate based claims then it reduces that minority to something less than human and supposedly makes discrimination somehow justified.

It’s the same thing we see again and again an attempt to challenge God's values because someone doesn't feel that they should follow God.

 

[Montalban]

“You can safely assume you have created God in your own image when it turns out that he hates all the same people that you do.” ~ Anne Lamott

I don't hate sinners, though! Nice try at straw-man

 

[Montalban]

You mean like the sin of prejudice?

Was Jesus prejudiced when he interefered in a legal Jewish stoning? How dare Jesus tell them that they were wrong!

 

[BigBadWlf]

Psudopod,

Wrong. The Bible makes references to same sex relationships, as wicked, detestable and error. examples: Gen 19,

the Bible mentions Sodom 48 times, it never mentions homosexuality in the context of any of those 48 verses.

Lev 18 & 20,

What about all the other laws of Leviticus that you are happy to ignore?

1 Cor 6, 1 Tim 1,

This position is based on the mangled translation of an obscure Greek word arsenokoites to mean homosexual. It is claimed time and again by those seeking to justify personal prejudice that the word obviously means homosexual, but there is no evidence to support this translation.

Romans 1.

ignores the historical and religious context in which Roman Christians received Paul's letter. The issue for Paul and for God was prohibiting Christians from engaging in fertility goddess worship, (Cybele), not prohibiting committed, faithful, non-cultic same sex partnerships.

 

[BigBadWlf]

So st. Paul was a prejudiced man saying the unrepented Arsenokoites will not enter the kingdom of God?

Yep…slave traders and kidnappers have no place in heaven.

 

[Montalban]

Yep…slave traders and kidnappers have no place in heaven.

I suppose if you already oppose God, then opposing Paul isn't that hard to do

 

[FreeinChrist]

MOD HAT

That is enough. Closing this​