Christian marriage same gender? Where???

[DRD4Him]

Since the Bible is used so often by non Christians to show Christians how they should act, then for the sake of morality and ethics, let's ask this question:

Where, in the New Testament, is there ANY cause or justification, to define or support "Christian marriage" between people of the same gender?

(And please, keep to the subject of this OP and do not compare misbehaviors of Christians to enter the discussion.

For example: "Christians commit adultery and get divorces, so, same sex marriage should be allowed in Christian churches."

That would show same sex marriage as another wrong behavior and certainly comparing wrongs to make a right wouldn't fit the description of morality or ethics.)

So the question:

Where, in the New Testament, is there ANY cause or justification, to define or support "Christian marriage" between people of the same gender?

 

[Psudopod]

Where is the justification for eating rice or spagetti in the bible, as opposed to bread? But I've never seen a Christian complaining about eating sushi or carbonara. It's unlikely that the bible writers would have spent much time writing about things that weren't part of their culture, unless they felt that this was something detrimental - hence the comments about pagan rites.

 

[DRD4Him]

Where is the justification for eating rice or spagetti in the bible, as opposed to bread? But I've never seen a Christian complaining about eating sushi or carbonara.

It's unlikely that the bible writers would have spent much time writing about things that weren't part of their culture, unless they felt that this was something detrimental - hence the comments about pagan rites.

Here, try that again:

Where,

in the New Testament,

is there ANY cause or justification, to define or support "Christian marriage" between people of the same gender?

BTW, same sex marriage was certainly "in the culture" of the first century church. Google Nero and Sporus.

Or better yet here ya go: Suetonius: Nero 27-29

A glimpse of that site:

. . . Doryphorus; for he was even married to this man in the same way that he himself had married Sporus, going so far as to imitate the cries and lamentations of a maiden being deflowered. I have heard from some men that it was his unshaken conviction that no man was chaste or pure in any partof his body, but that most of them concealed their vices and cleverly drew a veil over them; and that therefore he pardoned all other faults in those who confessed to him their lewdness.

- Suetonius

 

[lawtonfogle]

Where, in the New Testament, is there ANY cause or justification, to define or support "Christian marriage" between people of the same gender?

Well, there is one part, but it is a very dangerous part to play with. Paul speaks it is better to get married than to be consumed by your sexual desires. For a homosexual without the gift of celibacy... well Paul doesn't say it doesn't apply to them. The problem is that this would also apply to other people with atypical (and possibly quite harmful) sexual attractions without the gift of celibacy... like those with incestuous attractions. Paul really doesn't point out if the whole 'get married so you don't commit sexual sins' really applies to only 'normal' heterosexuals.

 

[DRD4Him]

Well, there is one part, but it is a very dangerous part to play with. Paul speaks it is better to get married than to be consumed by your sexual desires. For a homosexual without the gift of celibacy... well Paul doesn't say it doesn't apply to them. The problem is that this would also apply to other people with atypical (and possibly quite harmful) sexual attractions without the gift of celibacy... like those with incestuous attractions. Paul really doesn't point out if the whole 'get married so you don't commit sexual sins' really applies to only 'normal' heterosexuals.

Marriage is well defined throughout the new testament as man and woman.

Is it not?

 

[Phinehas2]

lawtonfogle,
No!
1 Corinthians 6 is written to the church, to the believers, look at the start of the letter, 2To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:
1 Corinthians 6 refers to the believers no longer being homosexual offenders.
So when 1 Corinthians 7 says it is better to marry than burn with passion, it is speaking to believers who are no longer sexually immoral or homosexual offenders. So it doesn’t apply to practicing homosexuals as practicing homosexuals are not in the church or the Kingdom.

The OP asks about the scriptural evidence rather than faulty assumptions.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Marriage is well defined throughout the new testament as man and woman.

Is it not?

No, it is defined as male and female, and even then, it is done inclusively, not exclusively.

 

[lawtonfogle]

lawtonfogle,
No!
1 Corinthians 6 is written to the church, to the believers, look at the start of the letter, 2To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:
1 Corinthians 6 refers to the believers no longer being homosexual offenders.
So when 1 Corinthians 7 says it is better to marry than burn with passion, it is speaking to believers who are no longer sexually immoral or homosexual offenders. So it doesn’t apply to practicing homosexuals as practicing homosexuals are not in the church or the Kingdom.

Who ever said I was referring to active homosexuals? Perhaps I was talking about someone who was homosexual, but was abstaining just like a non-married heterosexual likely wants sex and is abstaining. But in the case of the heterosexual, why is there a way out, when the homosexual has none? Don't assume that God will make you have an 'acceptable' sexual attraction when you turn Christian. There are people trying to live according to God's word, but they have not the option of marriage nor the gift of celibacy. If they truly care about not compromising their Christian values, they are left in a place that few Christians can even comprehend. I don't know why, but God leaves some people no option to be burned by passion. It is like how God let Satan destroy Job on so many levels, except unlike Job's case, the only end to it is death.

 

[Supernaut]

Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality. Nothing negative nor positive. As we are to love our neighbors, I choose to accept and love them.

Jesus made mention of a man leaving his family to join with a woman....but as Lawtonfogle has already said, it was not an exclusive.

 

[Phinehas2]

lawtonfogle,

No, it is defined as male and female, and even then, it is done inclusively, not exclusively

Male and female is man and woman, there are only two sexes in the species.

Who ever said I was referring to active homosexuals?

The letter is written to believers, The believer has two words and gifts given throughout the NT, as specified both in 1 Corinthians 7 and Matthew 19, faithful man woman marriage or celibacy, that applies to all believers, is the homosexual you referred to a believer or not?

 

[Phinehas2]

Supernaught454,

Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality. Nothing negative nor positive. As we are to love our neighbors, I choose to accept and love them.

Jesus made mention of a man leaving his family to join with a woman....but as Lawtonfogle has already said, it was not an exclusive.

Off topic and as seen by the scripture, wrong!

 

[DRD4Him]

Liberalism's strawman cannot stand up to the test of biblical orthodoxy?

 

[Phinehas2]

Exactly.

 

[Psudopod]

BTW, same sex marriage was certainly "in the culture" of the first century church. Google Nero and Sporus.

Nero wasn't Jewish, though was he? The roman empire did not become Christian until later.

 

[lawtonfogle]

lawtonfogle,
Male and female is man and woman, there are only two sexes in the species.

They are not the same. Male and female allow for child marriages, man and woman do not. Of course, the topic of the Bible and child marriage is probably off topic and not a place you want to go.

The letter is written to believers, The believer has two words and gifts given throughout the NT, as specified both in 1 Corinthians 7 and Matthew 19, faithful man woman marriage or celibacy, that applies to all believers, is the homosexual you referred to a believer or not?

Before we get that far, do you believe homosexual attractions are a sin?

 

[Phinehas2]

Psudopod,

Nero wasn't Jewish, though was he? The roman empire did not become Christian until later.

Nero was an example of same sex marriage "in the culture" of the first century church.

 

[Phinehas2]

lawtonfogle,

They are not the same.

Yes they are men are male and women are female.

Male and female allow for child marriages, man and woman do not.

No the teaching is that a man shall leave his father and mother and be united with his wife, so not child marriages. The question is about where is the support for same gender marriage, stay on topic please.

Before we get that far, do you believe homosexual attractions are a sin?

So have you got that yet The letter is written to believers, The believer has two words and gifts given throughout the NT, as specified both in 1 Corinthians 7 and Matthew 19, faithful man woman marriage or celibacy, that applies to all believers, is the homosexual you referred to a believer or not?

 

[Fenny the Fox]

Sorry to be semantic, but, I have to say this, as it is a major pet-peeve of mine - gender does not equal sex. Gender is the behavioral and cultural roles typically associated with sex. While sex ("male" or "female") is derived due to the actual physiological distinction between the two reproductive systems of the species. They are generally linked, but are not equal.

Thereby: one could enter into an opposite gender marriage that is indeed same-sex.

Use of terms correctly really does matter.

 

[wanderingone]

I don't need the bible to "support" same sex marriage. Marriage in the US is a product of the "the state" with religious topping when the couple chooses it. I feel no need to convince any person of any faith background that they should or shouldn't accept same sex marriage as a valid "Christian" concept based on biblical interpretation.

People in the US who can legally marry are not required to meet a religious criteria for that marriage and religious entities are not required to recognize any marriage they don't agree with. There's no reason not to allow people who wouldn't be allowed to marry in some Christian churches to get married since we already do.

 

[DRD4Him]

Nero wasn't Jewish, though was he? The roman empire did not become Christian until later.

Nice try, but, "they" were living in Roman Judea. They lved under Roman rule, Roman Law and in a Roman culture.

Render to Caesar what is Caesar's . . . right?

They knew what same gender sexual behavior was and is.

We know it as homosexuality or LGBT culture.