Christian intolerance shows they are not Christian

[Lifesaver]

Unity is love so emphasis on religious differences, race or intolerance rather than the unity of God is a strange god indeed and can be a challenge for us to overcome so we need to invoke the unity of God in all things.

It seems that you are against discussion about religious matters, because anything which breaks unity is an instance of lack of love.
But somasoma, if two people don't believe in the same thing, they are not one to begin with; there is no unity between different religions.
To discuss religious doctrines and to not tolerate error are the best ways to achieve true unity; to condemn what is false is a great deed of love and true charity.
If I am wrong, I hope people will tell it to me, not keep quiet and tolerate my false opinions for the sake of an artificial unity.

Jesus said, "Love thy neighbor as thyself," because it provides an effective answer to the many problems of modern life.

We ought to want what is spiritually best for everyone; that is, their salvation.
Their temporal good (living a comfortable life, feeling pleasure, not feeling pain, being content, etc) is entirely subservient to their spiritual good; that is, it is often the case where, to do a truly loving act and charitable act to someone, we'll give them displeasure, or even pain.
And, if the person constitutes a great danger to others as well, even their temporal life, the ultimate temporal good, might be taken from them justly.

This is a kind of insurance from the flood of negativity surrounding us because a relaxed mind and body is positive, priceless and an indestructible way to receive successful ideas and results.

Your views might have good effects in your life. They might make you feel better, happier and give you success.
Are they, however, true? I don't think so, and I think that, if you analyze them, you'll agree.
It is nothing more than vain pretending to act as if people who hold different religious beliefs have unity. And God wants us to believe in what is true, not in what is false.
From that, it follows that we should do our best to convince people of the truth and bring them out of error, and this way we'll be working for true unity, which takes place when two or more people actually adhere to the same beliefs.

 

[All4one]

Christian intolerance shows they are not Christian

Does Gods intolerance show that He is not God?

In Christs Love,
All4one

 

[tulc]

That's why we're told to bear our cross.... and not to bear our daisies.

LOL! Ok, that was cool!
tulc(well it was!)

 

[freespirit2001]

I tend to view acceptance of matters as a way of cooling off the over judgmental processes around me....there is way too much over reactive and overly-judgemental attitudes coming out of the culture and social circles around our communities. Acceptance is the opposite of intolerance...


I tend to ask,"Where is this over- judgemental behavior and attitude and christian intolerance coming from?"

Using assertive behavior skills and techniques called "Mirroring" or "Using Assertive Irony" helps to work at improving the awareness of intolerant behaviors in others and also in oneself and sometimes helps the message gets through.


Assertiveness and understanding basic assertive behavior skills helps working with intolerance in both sides of any issue....but self-awareness is the key if objective problem-solving behaviors will work with intolerance in people.

Christians are only human...and intolerance can happen where people refuse to become aware of their own behavior and behavior issues and fail to look at emotions in an objective problem solving light....People often also fail to see problems as opportunites....but choose to use problems instead for a reason and call to blame someone else, to scapegoat others or just despair of life .....



I just let others "go" and accept the others way of looking at things as unenlightened. Perhaps at a later time that person or I may see things in a different perspective....

I also view life in this way: "To love and let live", "To each their own", "Let go and let God"

These bible passage support trust in the Lord over our own way of judging matters:

[bible]Psalms 37:23-24[/bible]
[bible]Jeremiah 10:23-24[/bible]

[bible]Proverbs 8:12-17[/bible]

 

[~Wisdom Seeker~]

Unity is love. so emphasis on religious differences, race or intolerance rather than the unity of God is a strange god indeed and can be a challenge for us to overcome so we need to invoke the unity of God in all things.

Jesus said, "Love thy neighbor as thyself," because it provides an effective answer to the many problems of modern life. This call for love tells us that we are united and that no other person is separate or apart in God's spiritual consciousness. Recognizing that we are all one in God's consciousness gives us full protection in His unity by integrating our individual life with the world around us and providing a basic harmony and equilibrium in our hearts and minds. This is a kind of insurance from the flood of negativity surrounding us because a relaxed mind and body is positive, priceless and an indestructible way to receive successful ideas and results.

You are right. Love your neighbor as yourself is Bible doctrine. It's the second greatest commandment in fact. The first is Love G-d with every fiber of your being. (paraphrased)

But, I submit that it is in our baser human instinct to not adhere to anything G-d has to teach in the Bible when it takes personal effort, prayer and sublication to practice. Christianity isn't as it once was. It's largely become ever increasingly further and further away from the core doctrines like this one. So much so that to remind Christians of this doctrine brings about some very unChristian responses.

I would also like to add, not every Christian practices "Christ likeness" even though that is what "Christian" means. Many treat their religion like some people treat having a prestigious job or education. To put others down and make them feel less than they. And yes, this is against the teachings of the Bible too. Very obviously so. And yet, it's so common as to make being "Christian" something quite vile in the worlds eyes. This should be an embarassment to anyone of us who practice Christianity. And yet, 9 times out of 10 Christians get defensive about it and make justifications and excuses or Heaven forbit, lash out at people over it. This is not humility. This is not Christ likeness. This is pride.

You're post was very good. I only hope that people who read it will put aside their personal pride and take a hard look at themselves and ask themselves if their attitude reflects the teachings of G-d, or not.

 

[dajerido]

Intolerance is a part of this world. It has been every since the Tower of Babel. It really has been around every since Adam and Eve disobeyed God. For we quickly learn that God is not tolerant of sin; though He is merciful, longsuffering and kind. Jesus said I came to bring a sword from now on father will be against son and daughter in law against mother. (paraphrased) God is unity is not equivalent to God is Love. Unity is not the same as love. You can be unified to hate a particular group of people. God is a Judge. A Judge does not tolerate everything. If he did there would be no need to Judge.

 

[The-Doctor]

We are all equal in God's eyes no one person is any better than any other no matter who they are

 

[Emmy]

May I (in all humility) point out that Toleranze can very easily be mistaken for Condoning.To many of us it is much easier to tolerate and have friends,than to speak out and become unpopular.Where Christianity is concerned,it becomes a question of great importance.Do we play up to the world,or do we speak up for Jesus?I believe Tolerance should be weight carefully,often it could be taken for Condoning.Sincere greetings from Emmy,a sister in Christ.

 

[freespirit2001]

"The test of courage comes when we are in the minority.
The test of tolerance comes when we are in the majority."

---Ralph W. Sockman

"Grace is Christ meeting us at the point of our greatest need."

---David C. Reed

 

[~Wisdom Seeker~]

May I (in all humility) point out that Toleranze can very easily be mistaken for Condoning. To many of us it is much easier to tolerate and have friends,than to speak out and become unpopular. Where Christianity is concerned,it becomes a question of great importance. Do we play up to the world,or do we speak up for Jesus? I believe Tolerance should be weight carefully,often it could be taken for Condoning.

Your statement is, if given the ideal ingrediences of a humble and Christ like person, a worthy endeavor.

But, I submit, it is also a stumbling block to anyone who has pride issues. And, perhaps you have, but I haven't ever met anyone who didn't have pride issues.

When the ingredience of a regular pride filled, tendency towards judgementalness, competitive "My faith is better than yours" person adopts this attitude....Well, I'm sure you can see how this 99 times out of a 100 is why Christians are seen as the most hostile and jugemental evil speaking religion out there. Yes, this is harsh. I don't like it either. It's a humiliation that it's so common. Nevertheless.

And I ask you, don't you think that your post is condoning this stumbling block for people? I'm sure you didn't intend it to. But people are not judged on their intentions, only on their actions. However...human beings are by and large unevolved spiritually. They tend to ignore who God is, when they're on a rant against someone they justify to themselvs they are helping.

It's a fine line. A matter of degrees. Yes, in theory your point is a good one. But in practice, it never works out as optimistically as your theory suggests. Why? Because people are pridefilled and judgemental. We need to compare, contrast, "One-up" each other. And I say that until a person is fully prayed up, rarely if ever disobeyes a Christian doctrine, they are not in any position to usurp G-d's authority where other peoples faith is concerned.

 

[IZ2ZION]

I think that we do have to accept people for who they are. I also think that Paul nailed it on the head what it means when Christ says to love your neighbour as yourself. In 1 Cor. 13 I think Paul wrote the greatest and most profound description and definition of love. If we really study it we can see that it calls for a basic repsect and understanding of others as the core principal.

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[1] but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

I think that if every single Christian... no wait... everybody practiced this passage then the world would be a far better place. Even if people practiced other religions or had different faith, we could all agree to disagree and things would go smoothly. Then again I believe that if everyone were to follow this as a guideline then the Lord would truly be revealed to people through actions and not blunt force trauma of Bible scripture being slammed on them.

----------------
Clay

 

[rnmomof7]

MS it really helps to look at scripture in context

John 3:17 - "For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

The first coming of Jesus was not as judge, but as Saviour. The second coming will be to judge, And every man need to quake at the thought of the day the goats and sheep are separated.

2Ti 4:1
I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Jesus known as a "friend to sinners": Matt 11:19, Luke 7:39, Luke 19:7, John 8:11

That does not say he "tolerated" their sin MS, Jesus came offering forgiveness and salvation to them .
One must have already been judged guilty of sin, before he can be forgiven ...so there is not "tolerance" of sin or sinners here... only as i said.. Real love is offerning the gospel

Rom 5:8 -- "God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

Indeed he did. if He was "tolerant" of sin there would be no reason to save them would there?

Luke 6:32-35 - Jesus tells us to not act as sinners who only love other sinners but to love all.

MS there is no way that one can read "tolerance " for sin or sinners into that scripture.

As I told you REAL love is calling people to repentance and belief.
No where are we told to "ignore' sin or to pretend it just does not matter, every man for himself.

It just is not in there MS

I Cor 5:10 - Paul tells us not to judge those who are in the world, or shun them be they fornicators, covetous, extortioners, etc.

There is a difference in viewpoints between what "Real Love" might be. To some it requires intolerance of sin or sinners and preaching the gospel to save them. As I have yet to find a person without sin, I think those who feel that way must get pretty discouraged at times (or excited as they have 6 billion sinners to be intolerant of and preach to I guess).

No MS , you need to look up the definition of tolerance. Tolerance says sin is just fine by me. I will not judge your life or bother to present the gospel that is not the message of Corth.


Tolerance does not ask change Tolerance closes their eyes to it and pretends all is fine

Another viewpoint is seeing people as the future son's and daughters of God, in all thier fulfilled potential while they are yet incomplete and treat them that way. In this way, it is not the "tolerance" of sin or "pretending it is "all right"" but rather the acknowledgement of a shared humanity and shared journey where we are better building each other up.

As Matt 18:21 points out, we are not to limit ourselves in the number of times we forgive other's sins against us, as Christ has done also for us.

If we do not see them as sinners , why would they need t have forgiveness?

If God has not already judged them why would they need a Savior?


How does God see sin and sinners?
GOD HATES ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY” Psalms 5:5

THE BIBLE SAYS GOD HATES SINNERS, NOT JUST THE SIN:

Leviticus 20:23: “And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nations which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I ABHORRED THEM.”


Leviticus 26:14-30: “If ye will not hearken unto Me, and will not do all these commandments; And if ye shall despise My statutes, or if your soul abhor My judgments, so that ye will not do all My commandments, but that ye break My covenant, I also will do this to you... [send plagues, famine, drought, destructive armies, wild beasts who shall devour your children, pestilence, captivity in a cruel land...] And if ye will not for all this hearken unto Me, but walk contrary to Me; Then I WILL WALK CONTRARY TO YOU IN FURY... I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcasses upon the carcasses of your idols, and MY SOUL SHALL ABHOR YOU.”




Deuteronomy 18:12 “For all that do these things are an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD, and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.”

Deuteronomy 25:16: “...ALL THAT DO UNRIGHTEOUSLY ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD.”

Deuteronomy 28:62-63: “Because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God... it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will the Lord will REJOICE OVER YOU TO DESTROY YOU, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.” (In Deuteronomy 27, 28, and 29, 124 CURSES are promised upon the Jews who refused to obey God’s commandments.)

Deuteronomy 32:16-20: “They provoked Him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations they provoked Him to ANGER... And when the Lord saw it [people sacrificing to devils - v.17], HE ABHORRED THEM...”

Psalm 2:4-9: “The Lord that sits in the heavens shall LAUGH [at rebellious men]: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His WRATH, and VEX THEM IN HIS SORE DISPLEASURE... [and Christ shall] break them with a rod of iron: Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”

Psalm 5:5-6: “The foolish shall not stand in Thy sight: THOU HATEST ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY. Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (lies): THE LORD WILL ABHOR THE BLOODY AND DECEITFUL MAN.”

Psalm 7:11-13: “...God is ANGRY with the wicked every day. If he turn not, He will whet His sword; He hath bent His bow, and made it ready. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; He ordaineth His arrows against the persecutors.”

Psalm 10:3: “For the wicked... blesseth the covetous, WHOM THE LORD ABHORRETH.”

Psalm 11:5-7: “The Lord trieth the righteous: but THE WICKED AND HIM THAT LOVETH VIOLENCE HIS SOUL HATETH. Upon the wicked He shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. For the righteous Lord loveth righteousness...”

Psalm 50:22: “Now consider this, ye that forget God, LEST I TEAR YOU IN PIECES, AND THERE BE NONE TO DELIVER.”

Psalm 78:59: “When God heard this He was wroth, and GREATLY ABHORRED ISRAEL.”

Psalm 106:40: “Therefore was the wrath of the Lord kindled against His people, insomuch that HE ABHORRED HIS OWN INHERITANCE.”

Proverbs 3:32-33: “For the froward is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD... The CURSE OF THE LORD is in the house of the wicked: but He blesseth the habitation of the just.”

Proverbs 6:16-19: “These six things doth THE LORD HATE: yea, seven are AN ABOMINATION TO HIM... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among the brethren.”

Proverbs 16:5: “Every one that is proud in heart is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.”

Proverbs 17:5: “He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are ABOMINATION TO THE LORD.”

Proverbs 22:14: “The soul of strange women is a deep pit: HE THAT IS ABHORRED OF THE LORD shall fall therein.”

Jeremiah 17:5: “Thus saith the Lord, CURSED BE THE MAN that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.”

Hosea 9:15: “All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I HATED THEM: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of Mine house, I WILL LOVE THEM NO MORE...”

Malachi 1:3-4: “And I HATED ESAU, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness...thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and the people AGAINST WHOM THE LORD HATH INDIGNATION FOREVER.”

Romans 9:13: “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but ESAU HAVE I HATED.”

I Corinthians 16:22: “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be ANATHEMA MARANATHA [which means ACCURSED, THE LORD COMETH].”

James 4:4: “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that friendship of the world is ENMITY (or HATRED) WITH GOD? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is an ENEMY OF GOD.”

I Peter 3:12: “For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers: but THE FACE OF THE LORD IS AGAINST THEM THAT DO EVIL.”

Revelation 14:10-11: “[Sinners] shall drink of the wine of the WRATH OF GOD, which is poured without mixture into the cup of HIS INDIGNATION; and he shall be TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY ANGELS, AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB; And the smoke of their TORMENT ascendeth up for ever and ever; and they have NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT...”



No Tolerance there MS

 

[seebs]

First, that's prooftexting, and a lot of it.

Second, that's almost entirely Old Testament.

Third, it misses a crucial point. God says that vengeance is his. Not ours. Jesus says He will judge, but does He ever tell us to judge others? To condemn? No, He doesn't. He forbids it.

So... We are to be tolerant. Even of things we think may be judged, because as we judge, so we too will be judged.

 

[Nietzsche]

Unity is love so emphasis on religious differences, race or intolerance rather than the unity of God is a strange god indeed and can be a challenge for us to overcome so we need to invoke the unity of God in all things. Jesus said, "Love thy neighbor as thyself," because it provides an effective answer to the many problems of modern life. This call for love tells us that we are united and that no other person is separate or apart in God's spiritual consciousness. Recognizing that we are all one in God's consciousness gives us full protection in His unity by integrating our individual life with the world around us and providing a basic harmony and equilibrium in our hearts and minds. This is a kind of insurance from the flood of negativity surrounding us because a relaxed mind and body is positive, priceless and an indestructible way to receive successful ideas and results.

Very well put

 

[rnmomof7]

First, that's prooftexting, and a lot of it.

Second, that's almost entirely Old Testament.

Third, it misses a crucial point. God says that vengeance is his. Not ours. Jesus says He will judge, but does He ever tell us to judge others? To condemn? No, He doesn't. He forbids it.

Jesus did not tolerate sin. He said Go and SIN NO MORE .

He reinforced the laws of Israel.

He does not forbid us from judging, the warning is not to be hypocrites when we judge.

We are called to judge. Scripture simply warns us to judge rightly .


We are called not to be unequally yoked , and that light should have no fellowship with darkness ..that calls for a judgment.

We are told to judge people by their fruit ..that is a judgment .

I have heard it said the one scripture that most of the "world' knows is "judge not lest you be judged"
That is thrown out to silence discussion of sin .

But the truth is that scripture is not about not judging, it is about making careful and correct judgment .

Matthew 7:1-5
*
*1.* "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
*2.* For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
*3.* "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
*4.* How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
*5.* You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
*
(A warning to judge correctly)
*

John 7:24
*24.* Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment."

Here a warning to judge who you will associate with.

The eternal judgment belongs to God, but that does not relieve men of the requirement to make judgments on associates

Without making a judgment on a mans life, we would not know to whom to present the gospel .
*
*
1 Corinthians 5:11-13
*11.* But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
*12.* What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
*13.* God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

*

1 Corinthians 6:2-5
*2.* Do you not know that the saints will~ judge~ the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
*3.* Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!
*

So... We are to be tolerant. Even of things we think may be judged, because as we judge, so we too will be judged.

No seebs we are not to be "tolerant" We are to present the gospel to a sin-filled world.


Seebs are you telling me God has changed his mind?

The bible says God is immutable. God no more likes or tolerates sin than he did in the OT. God is the God of the OT and the NT


If God "tolerated " sin he would not have destroyed the earth with water.

If God tolerated sin , there would be no reason for Jesus to return to be the judge , for tolerance means not to judge.

2 Timothy 4:1-3
*1.* In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge:
*2.* Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.
*3.* For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Does God tolerate sin today ?

Mat 13:38**
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

Mat 13:39**
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:40**
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Mat 13:41**
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:42**
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:43**
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Mat 13:44**
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

Mat 13:45**
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

Mat 13:46**
Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

Mat 13:47**
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

Mat 13:48**
Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

Mat 13:49**
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

Mat 13:50**
And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


One of Gods attributes is Holiness that demands that He hate sin.

But the original question was are Christians to be "tolerant" and we have gotten a bit off track.
Tolerance is "The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others." Respecting does not mean, respecting their right to those views, but rather accepting or embracing their views as valid."

Lets see what the Judge of men says about tolerance of sin by the church

Rev 2:20
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest [tolerated] that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Seebs real love is offering the gospel not letting people think they are just fine as is. That day of judgment is coming, the church has a responsibility and a duty to call sin sin and not pretend that God is indifferent to it

 

[rnmomof7]

First, that's prooftexting, and a lot of it.

BTW I challenge you to look at the context of every one of those scriptures and point out the ones that do not mean what they clearly say (as I did with your proof text:>)

 

[HappyMomof4]

You sound a little intolerant.

LOL

I believe you should love the sinner and hate the sin. Should we be "tolerant" of what is wrong??

 

[tulc]

Jesus did not tolerate sin. He said Go and SIN NO MORE .

Lets look at the context for this one:
John 8: 3-11
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
So (in context) it wasn't the pointing out of her sin that Jesus was doing here, it was the forgiving of the woman (and as a side issue the blindness of the Pharasee's to their own sins) that was the point. Also it was Jesus (who by the way would have been the only one there who could have thrown that first stone but didn't ) who said go and sin no more. Not the people around her. Jesus tells us to go and sin no more not us. Wouldn't that be more in keeping with the context of that scripture? Just a thought.
tulc(getting ready to pour another cup of coffee!)

 

[rnmomof7]

Lets look at the context for this one:
John 8: 3-11
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
So (in context) it wasn't the pointing out of her sin that Jesus was doing here, it was the forgiving of the woman (and as a side issue the blindness of the Pharasee's to their own sins) that was the point. Also it was Jesus (who by the way would have been the only one there who could have thrown that first stone but didn't ) who said go and sin no more. Not the people around her. Jesus tells us to go and sin no more not us. Wouldn't that be more in keeping with the context of that scripture? Just a thought.
tulc(getting ready to pour another cup of coffee!)

If Jesus was tolerant of sin, he would not have bothered to tell her to sin no more... it would not have mattered right ? (I am on my 3rd cup:>)

 

[tulc]

If Jesus was tolerant of sin, he would not have bothered to tell her to sin no more... it would not have mattered right ?

I see what you are saying, I think though His saying "neither do I condem you" has some room in the discussion?

(I am on my 3rd cup:>)

...and a better person for it I'm sure!
tulc(who's working on the second cup of coffee, but they are really big cups!)