Christian Fundamentalists Appreciate Life

[Verv]

When the Bible was written, the creator and ruler of everything could only be a man. To put a woman in such a powerful position would've been unheard of.

The Bible puts man above woman, more or less constantly. Portraying women as equal to men would give some women odd ideas about equality, and we can't have that, now, can we? They might want to take the positions of power away from the men.

To counter that, woman was made in the image of man, and man was made in the image of God, also a man.

Biblically, man is inferior to God in the same way woman is inferior to man.

It is because man is the glory of God and woman is the glory of man; man was created in the image of God and later woman in the image of man.

Man is in charge.

Men are traditionally physically stronger.

Men are often more practical, cold and rational then women and more objective -- though this may currently be environmental, I do not think that is the case.

Women were given a different skill set than men -- a skill set meant to accommodate man.

However, with the advent of Christ we do see some liberalizations of the rules that were amongst the Jewish people.

And in marriage, man and women become equal owners of one another.

I would caution you to not view everything from your generation's perspective -- it makes you less able to appreciate things.

Isn't that blasphemy? I mean the only thing separating men from women is anatomy and some chemistry.

LOL. True.

OK. God is not a 'man.' God is male. God is a man in the sense of being male and God. Man was created in His Image.

And why can the body not be comfortable?

I dont see you squirreling yourself away in an ascetic manner, or any other Christians for that matter save a handful of Catholics.

I've never understood the compulsion to paint life as some sort of curse

Life is a blessing and life has suffering, and it is exactly this suffering that makes us better.

We should seek suffering as a test from our God.

To seek pleasure for pleasure's sake is not the goal.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

It is because man is the glory of God and woman is the glory of man; man was created in the image of God and later woman in the image of man.

Man is in charge.

Men are traditionally physically stronger.

Men are often more practical, cold and rational then women and more objective -- though this may currently be environmental, I do not think that is the case.

Women were given a different skill set than men -- a skill set meant to accommodate man.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free-man, male nor female, for all are one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28

 

[Penumbra]

God is a man:

God has an x and y chromosome? A penis?

Is it simply that his personality is masculine?

But pleasure is not the goal.

If pleasure is the goal, it is a selfish goal. We must kill our desires for the comforts of the body and for such decadence:

Romans 8:10
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

It is the idea of separating ourselves from materialism and from all forms of flesh indulgence.

The quote at the bottom of my signature also pertains to this.

I imagine if you like any concepts of Buddhism you would be very interested in Christianity -- you should consider reading the Bible with an open mind.

But if you know that pleasure is an end result, any time you help someone you know ahead of time that you'll get a pleasurable feeling.

Helping people is to provide happiness or at least help alleviate suffering. The purpose of doing so is for the end result- for a greater amount of happiness amongst people.

I'd maybe believe that Christians want to avoid pleasure and comfort if they didn't preach about how Christians would go to heaven and others to hell. Is heaven uncomfortable, unpleasant, unsatisfactory?

-Lyn

 

[Mling]

Umm...yeah that's what I was saying.

I know...I was agreeing.

 

[Supernaut]

I know...I was agreeing.

Ok...I am shutting up

 

[Supernaut]

It is because man is the glory of God and woman is the glory of man; man was created in the image of God and later woman in the image of man.

Both were created in Gods image.

Man is in charge.

Of himself alone. This isn't 3000BCE (just a reminder). There is this thing we call equality now. It is good.

Men are traditionally physically stronger.

Women tend to be a heck of a lot more rational and smarter.

Men are often more practical, cold and rational then women and more objective -- though this may currently be environmental, I do not think that is the case.

I disagree very strongly with your post. In my experience, women have typically been better in crisis situations, often much more rational. They give more thought to actions before carrying them out (rational).

Women were given a different skill set than men -- a skill set meant to accommodate man.

Again, wrong. Women were skills to compliment men and vice versa. There was never a "slavery" style situtaion instituted by God. That was mans doing.

However, with the advent of Christ we do see some liberalizations of the rules that were amongst the Jewish people.

Interesting that folks don't realize that, with the first Adam, woman came from man. With the second Adam (Christ) man came form woman. Both "virgin" in birth.

One clearly equalizes the other thereby eraticating this notion that women are to be subject to their husbands.

 

[Supernaut]

God is a man:

He is God. God is not man.


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=11&verse=7&version=50&context=verse

1 Corinthians 11:7
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=11&verse=7&version=50&context=verse
That was written by Paul at a time when women were considered property. The difference was societal, not Biblical.

Of course, people will try to say God is "genderless" but from any perspective which puts weight in the Bible, that is not the case.

And I still say God is genderless as he has no specific need of a gender.

God created Man in His Image, and then He created women from man.

Either way you slice it, women are still in equal standing with God.

If pleasure is the goal, it is a selfish goal. We must kill our desires for the comforts of the body and for such decadence:

So, sell the car/house/eat only popcorn, and drink river water only? There are a vast set of "pleasures" that are a requirement.

I imagine if you like any concepts of Buddhism you would be very interested in Christianity -- you should consider reading the Bible with an open mind.

Open mind pertaining to a metaphorical and historical reading perspective?

 

[Penumbra]

It is because man is the glory of God and woman is the glory of man; man was created in the image of God and later woman in the image of man.

Both were created in Gods image.

The interesting thing is that neither of you is wrong about Genesis. Both accounts exist. Genesis 1 tells the story one way, and then Genesis 2 backtracks a bit and tells part of the story over again in a different way.

From Genesis 1:
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

From Genesis 2:
the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
...(a few verses later)...
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

(One of the authors clearly had a more balanced view of the genders than the other.)

-Lyn

 

[Supernaut]

The interesting thing is that neither of you is wrong about Genesis. Both accounts exist. Genesis 1 tells the story one way, and then Genesis 2 backtracks a bit and tells part of the story over again in a different way.

From Genesis 1:
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

From Genesis 2:
the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
...(a few verses later)...
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

And another reason to accept Genesis as an old Israeli legend. Also when one realizes that the Pentateuch was most likely not written by Moses but rather by someone else after His death. Most likely after the return of the Jews to Israel from Babylon.

 

[Penumbra]

And another reason to accept Genesis as an old Israeli legend. Also when one realizes that the Pentateuch was most likely not written by Moses but rather by someone else after His death. Most likely after the return of the Jews to Israel from Babylon.

Yes from most sources I've read, it was written down as a compilation of oral traditions.

-Lyn

 

[Verv]

God has an x and y chromosome? A penis?

Is it simply that his personality is masculine?

I do not know about the DNA of God, but he is a man and has a penis, and man was created in God's image.

But if you know that pleasure is an end result, any time you help someone you know ahead of time that you'll get a pleasurable feeling.

Helping people is to provide happiness or at least help alleviate suffering. The purpose of doing so is for the end result- for a greater amount of happiness amongst people.

I'd maybe believe that Christians want to avoid pleasure and comfort if they didn't preach about how Christians would go to heaven and others to hell. Is heaven uncomfortable, unpleasant, unsatisfactory?

-Lyn

All I know is Heaven is the Kingdom of God. I do not subscribe to exaggerated views about it.

Anything that is done solely to attain pleasure is wrong.

St. Augustine even said that those who believe in God merely to go to heaven and attain pleasure will be condemned.

Both were created in Gods image.

Prove it.

Of himself alone. This isn't 3000BCE (just a reminder). There is this thing we call equality now. It is good.

But it is not real, and it is not true.

Is a lie 'good?'

Women tend to be a heck of a lot more rational and smarter.

Prove it.

I disagree very strongly with your post. In my experience, women have typically been better in crisis situations, often much more rational. They give more thought to actions before carrying them out (rational).

My experiences are the complete opposite -- probably because I do not come from a society versed in liberal propaganda.

Again, wrong. Women were skills to compliment men and vice versa. There was never a "slavery" style situtaion instituted by God. That was mans doing.

Slavery was also God's doing -- did God not deliver purposefully the Jews into the hands of others to be slaves?

But later you go on to basically say you do not believ in the Bible.

Interesting that folks don't realize that, with the first Adam, woman came from man. With the second Adam (Christ) man came form woman. Both "virgin" in birth.

Christ is Christ; He is not Adam. Or did Christ bring about a second fall from grace that I am unaware of?

He is God. God is not man.

But man is created in the image of God.

That was written by Paul at a time when women were considered property. The difference was societal, not Biblical.

Paul opposed many things that were societal trends, such as homosexuality, fornication, alcoholism, etc.

If God is against gender roles, why didn't Paul oppose it?

Because he is a conservative and because He was spoken to by God. You do not get spoken to by God -- and if you did, you certainly wouldn't be saying what you are saying now.

And I still say God is genderless as he has no specific need of a gender.


Either way you slice it, women are still in equal standing with God.

They are on equal standing with God but subject to men.

"the head of the woman is the man" (1 Corinthians 11:3)

So, sell the car/house/eat only popcorn, and drink river water only? There are a vast set of "pleasures" that are a requirement.

Yeah, probably do not own a car unless you live in a rural area; live in a small home; eat cheap food and live a clean life.

The interesting thing is that neither of you is wrong about Genesis. Both accounts exist. Genesis 1 tells the story one way, and then Genesis 2 backtracks a bit and tells part of the story over again in a different way.

From Genesis 1:
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

From Genesis 2:
the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
...(a few verses later)...
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

(One of the authors clearly had a more balanced view of the genders than the other.)

-Lyn

You're wrong, Lyn.

One speaks more vaguely and then the other one speaks in specifics.

There aren't two authors, and these views are not mutually exclusive or differing.

And another reason to accept Genesis as an old Israeli legend. Also when one realizes that the Pentateuch was most likely not written by Moses but rather by someone else after His death. Most likely after the return of the Jews to Israel from Babylon.

Why do you call yourself a Christian if you do not believe in the Bible and the Jewish traditions that Jesus Christ believed in?

 

[Supernaut]

I do not know about the DNA of God, but he is a man and has a penis, and man was created in God's image.

Why would God have a penis? As we were created in His image do you really think it is a 100% exact copy?

Prove it.

Read the second account of creation.

But it is not real, and it is not true.

Equality isn't true? Equality isn't real?

Is a lie 'good?'

How is "equality" a lie??

Prove it.

blogsisters.blogspot.com/.../vote-is-in-women-are-more-rational.html -

My experiences are the complete opposite -- probably because I do not come from a society versed in liberal propaganda.

Funny I was raised in a very Fundamentalist Church and a very conservative town.

Slavery was also God's doing -- did God not deliver purposefully the Jews into the hands of others to be slaves?

Did He?

But later you go on to basically say you do not believ in the Bible.

Quite the contrary. I fully believe the Bible.

Christ is Christ; He is not Adam. Or did Christ bring about a second fall from grace that I am unaware of?

He came to redeem..and He did. The reference of Adam was clearly symbolic btw.

Why do you call yourself a Christian if you do not believe in the Bible and the Jewish traditions that Jesus Christ believed in?

Never said I didn't believe in the traditions. In fact I support the traditions.

I again do believe in the Bible.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I do not know about the DNA of God, but he is a man and has a penis, and man was created in God's image.

"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." - Genesis.

Note that Genesis II in which woman is made from the rib of man is not a sequel to Genesis I, but rather, a different narrative itself.

Furthermore, while it can be true to say that we human beings tend to ascribe masculine and patriarchal qualities to God, it is not necessarily the case that God does actually possess the qualities of either sexes. God himself does not declare to us that he possesses a penis. Why would he even need one?

Prove it.

Proven in the above Genesis quotation.

But it is not real, and it is not true.

Is a lie 'good?'

Why is 'gender equality' not true? Even the Bible proclaims it in the Galatians quote I earlier presented and in the equal creation of Male and Female in Genesis I. When Paul speaks of the man as head is he really proposing doctrine or continuing a social convention established prior to doctrine?

Prove it.

Have you met many women?

My experiences are the complete opposite -- probably because I do not come from a society versed in liberal propaganda.

So you come from a society versed in the Dark Ages? I make no apologies if my 'liberal propaganda'* as you call it is rational and sound.

* By the way, I am not a 'liberal'. My family is highly Conservative and my father abhors Socialism. I myself am Centrist.

But man is created in the image of God.

So is woman. Read above the Genesis I quote which clearly portrays an equal creation of Male and Female in the image of God.

Paul opposed many things that were societal trends, such as homosexuality, fornication, alcoholism, etc.

And he is also continued many social conventions. What's your point?

If God is against gender roles, why didn't Paul oppose it?

Because Paul is human, and while a saint, still flawed, and still a participant of culture and therefore obliged to follow custom.

Because he is a conservative and because He was spoken to by God. You do not get spoken to by God -- and if you did, you certainly wouldn't be saying what you are saying now.

That is ridiculous. What you are essentially saying is that if God did speak to someone and that someone spoke of gender equality then you would not believe that they are God's witness. How do you know that those who preach gender equality are not instruments of God's will today? You don't.

They are on equal standing with God but subject to men.

"the head of the woman is the man" (1 Corinthians 11:3)

You kinda forgot that in the Risen Christ we are all 'made new' in being.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free-man, male nor female, for all are one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28

 

[Mling]

At the moment, we are faced with a global economic crisis. It was caused, primarily, by the people at the top of the business being absolute idiots. Specifically, they took incredible risks with no safety net, which offered temporary adrenaline rushes and riches in exchange for inevitable and predictable global collapse.

I have three questions:

1. How rational is that?
2. Which gender is generally more likely to take extreme risks when fueled by adrenaline?
3. The vast majority of the people owning these companies belong to which gender?

 

[b&wpac4]

I do not know about the DNA of God, but he is a man and has a penis, and man was created in God's image.

So, you believe that God is a physical being that looks just like us?