Christian brothers i need your help

[spidywebdude]

Can some one give me a verse that shows that its not wrong to listen to secular music. any kinda of bible verse that gives that sorta message. My mom wants me to find one and then i can listen to music.

 

[reformedfan]

tell her show you one that says you can't, & tell her quit being legalistic.
That'll getcha banned from these forums quickly, ya better not.

Is your head screwed on straight? Are you discerning? Are you able to see through sinful messages, etc. & not be tempted? Those are character issues, far more important than the type of music- it's not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out of his heart- Jesus said that, look in the Gospels. (but if you don't have those character issues I mentioned before, all the Bible verses in the universe that defend your 'right' to listen to what your parents don't want you to won't persuade them otherwise.)
Reformedfan is a mommy to lotsa teens, she knows these things well. A discerning kid in this house can about have any kind of entertainment he wants, I know he won't be influenced by it, which is the thing I bet your mommy is after.

Or, maybe she's just being legalistic, but don't tell her I said that!

 

[spidywebdude]

well i need somthing in the bible that shows its not evil

 

[spidywebdude]

she always says " we should fill our mind with good things" and i sawy its the same as watching tv. some one help theya re so anoying i need some one to help me

 

[blackwasp]

Hmm...this is the best I can do for you bro:

Romans 7:6[/url]] But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Trying to live up to good morals by not listening to secular music is meaningless...you'll have to work on the pitch yourself though.

It sounds like your mom has her mind set on not letting you listen to it, regardless of what you show her. Best of luck.

 

[CynthiaSpeaks]

Hmmmm... Can you compromise with her as to the type of secular music you listen too? I allow my kids to listen to secular music, as long as the lyrics aren't promoting amoral behavior. Before giving the go ahead I check all the lyrics. As long as they are clean, my kids can listen. I try to be as lenient as I can so that when I have to put my foot down, we don't fight over it.

Do you think your mom could allow you that much? God's word doesn't address rock music directly. However, it does address the subject matter of many songs, rock or otherwise. Sex, drinking, drugging, fighting, etc. are all discussed in the bible. Those would be scriptures your mom could use to support her side. Perhaps if you listened only to lyrics that filled your head with good things, to use your mom's words, she would compromise with you. There is plenty of good rock out there that have decent lyrics. Also, there is some awesome Christian rock, as well.

That's how we handle it in our home anyway.

 

[spidywebdude]

well she said if i show her a bible verse she wil let me. no she is a jerk about it realy

 

[spidywebdude]

I need a good bible verse and just a realy goodd fact

 

[spidywebdude]

Hmmmm... Can you compromise with her as to the type of secular music you listen too? I allow my kids to listen to secular music, as long as the lyrics aren't promoting amoral behavior. Before giving the go ahead I check all the lyrics. As long as they are clean, my kids can listen. I try to be as lenient as I can so that when I have to put my foot down, we don't fight over it.

Do you think your mom could allow you that much? God's word doesn't address r...ock music directly. However, it does address the subject matter of many songs, rock or otherwise. Sex, drinking, drugging, fighting, etc. are all discussed in the bible. Those would be scriptures your mom could use to support her side. Perhaps if you listened only to lyrics that filled your head with good things, to use your mom's words, she would compromise with you. There is plenty of good rock out there that have decent lyrics. Also, there is some awesome Christian rock, as well.

That's how we handle it in our home anyway.

what good secualr bands dont cuss.

I know linkin park doesnt in there 2000 one

 

[spidywebdude]

OK my mom siad to write a email to my dad asking if i can buy the linkin park cd metorie(or what ever)

can some oen give me a good email with some christian facts to send. type out a good email for me to send

 

[stonetoflesh]

OK my mom siad to write a email to my dad asking if i can buy the linkin park cd metorie(or what ever)

can some oen give me a good email with some christian facts to send. type out a good email for me to send

Alright man, here's what you do. If you already know what CD you want to get, look up the lyrics to the songs on the internet. You could copy and paste these lyrics into a single document and attach the lyrics to your email, then in your message describe how positive/happy/unobjectionable/etc. the lyrics are. If you want to do this though, you need to write the email yourself; between this thread and the other one you started it seems you've gotten some good advice from several people, so just run with it...

 

[..Ocelot..]

Can some one give me a verse that shows that its not wrong to listen to secular music. any kinda of bible verse that gives that sorta message. My mom wants me to find one and then i can listen to music.

hahaha @ having to ask permission from your uptight mom

 

[TheDandyMan]

Psalm 150 might help.

But then again, it might turn out to be a generally worthless passage for your intentions.

Oh well.

 

[blackwasp]

OK my mom siad to write a email to my dad asking if i can buy the linkin park cd metorie(or what ever)

can some oen give me a good email with some christian facts to send. type out a good email for me to send

Out of curiosity, how old are you?

 

[Qyöt27]

what good secualr bands dont cuss.

I know linkin park doesnt in there 2000 one

There's a lot more than most people that only look at modern popular music realize. If you start looking into older music and music that MTV doesn't show, the numbers of bands with a clean act start climbing.



Anyway, have you ever asked them why the pressure is on the music and not the other forms of media? And why is 'secular' music suddenly 'not good'? It's what most Christian bands are raised on (seriously; in the liner notes or interviews with Christian bands, mainstream artists are commonly mentioned as being their inspiration to pick up a guitar or whatever other instrument and start playing). Most Christian bands don't discriminate against 'secular' music just because it doesn't talk about Christianity.

There aren't any verses that deal with 'secular' music, because that concept (when applied to music) simply didn't exist in those times. However, a couple of verses could be applicable to it (among other things).

1 Corinthians 10:23 (NKJV)
All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all thing are lawful for me, but not all things edify.

Simply explain that 'secular' music can both help and edify you.

1 Corinthians 10:31 (NKJV)
Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God

(emphasis mine)

You can apply that 'whatever you do' phrase to listening to 'secular' music. Like others have said, though, it requires discernment.

From a musical perspective, music itself cannot be 'secular' or Christian. It can only be music. Lyrically, it can be one of four things (IMO): Christian, non-religious, spiritual, and anti-Christian. Spiritual music doesn't necessarily have to be Christian, but it's generally not clear about what is being talked about, so that would be a grey area. Anti-Christian music (this requires discernment; not all lyrics that appear to be anti-Christian are) is clearly in the black, and non-religious lyrics simply deal with other subject matter, whether it be love, everyday life, raising awareness for a cause, having fun, etc., so that's up to the individual to determine whether it's a grey area or in the white (if they are actively convinced that it's wrong then they won't even consider these circumstances)

There are many Christians that produce 'secular' music, and while it is true that you can't know whether or not such and such artist is Christian or not unless they get interviewed and/or the liner notes state otherwise, if they are Christian the lyrics generally will be filtered through a clean perspective (I'm not referring to people that just seem to use God in an awards speech but not in their discernment about what music to record). The influence of the society around them also serves to influence how explicit or non-explicit a non-Christian's lyrics are.

Despite however bad and 'lost' society seems to be, Christianity still has a major presence and a Christian sensibility is still very much alive*, even if the society is not necessarily 'Christian' anymore. It's a traditional standard that's pretty hard to topple, even if it has laxened over the last 50 years. While there are artists (and stereotypically) entire genres that do all they can to shock people and push their buttons, or to glamourise a sinful lifestyle, to apply the actions of those select groups to the entirety of all 'secular' music made in any specific country at present, or in the past, would be grossly unfair and innaccurate.

*I'm not referring to radically conservative Christians here, as those groups are known to have very shaky arguments for some of the things they denounce, much like the so-called evidence against rock music or 'secular' music (verses taken out of context, fake scientific evidence, the works); I am referring to things that Scripture clearly discerns as being right and wrong, but not blown out of proportion.

 

[jason_the_ecumenicalist]

Tell your mom that rejecting everything "secular" is gnosticism. It is a stoopid dichotomy created by Christians as they try to run away from society and avoid everything non-Christian. It is very gnostic. Gnosticism was an acient heresey that. amongst other thigns, decarled anything earthly to be evil. There are also places in Pauls writings where he quotes pagan philosophers too.

 

[spidywebdude]

im 13

 

[Strongdad]

Wow some of your replies here just freak me out a bit folks...

Listen, bottom line is you are 13 bud - and your mom is looking out for your best interests at this time. You may be right in wanting to listen to certain bands - but I say respect your mom and her wishes at this time. You will have plenty of time to listen to what you want in less than 5 years...

I have six kids and I do let them listen to secular music - but they respect my wishes - and I trust them.

BUT - the big part is they earned my trust just like I earned their respect...

And to those that are lecturing a 13 year old about parents and their Stupid Gnostic Dichotomies - I say

 

[skinnybrad]

basically the only verse i can think of that is any relevency sorry i cant tell you where it is but God says "Be of the world not in it" so i say listening to non Christian music is being of the world but dont get sucked into it