Thank you. Your passage provides a fuller context than the two primary verses I provided.Genesis 6:5-13
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Thank you. Your passage provides a fuller context than the two primary verses I provided.Genesis 6:5-13
Apparently, you do not know why God saved only Noah and his family. Here is precisely what the Bible says.
Genesis 6:
8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.
9 These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.
Why do you seem so concerned about the "teeming multitudes of animals" , any 'extra' getting in the ark,Interestingly, out of all the teeming multitudes of animals only two (male and female) of each unclean species entered the ark. Does that mean that only those two were somehow clever enough to enter the ark and the rest were unrepentant/ignorant/unwilling than those that did?
Is obedience a conscious or an unconscious process?Why do you seem so concerned about the "teeming multitudes of animals" , any 'extra' getting in the ark,
but
not about the multitudes of humans , men, women and children and babies, who did not get in the ark ?
In any case, whoever or whatever got in the ark would be saved from the flood, right ?
p.s. the animals did not 'repent', they obeyed.
p.p.s. I don't remember it written that Noah or his family, those who got on the ark and were saved, repented ?
Because you said, "the animals did not 'repent', they obeyed"Why do you ask ?
To be saved you have to at some time been lost even if that is at the beginning. of time. So what is the difference between the lost that will be saved and the lost that will remain lost when they were both lost?The Creator , before creating anything at all of the world, sun, moon, stars, trees, animals, or men,
knew perfectly all things
and knew perfectly who would be the elect, saved,
and knew perfectly who would be the non-elect, forever lost.
The Creator Decides. He Is In Charge.To be saved you have to at some time been lost even if that is at the beginning. of time. So what is the difference between the lost that will be saved and the lost that will remain lost when they were both lost?
If your pet dog is watching eagerly your eyes, waiting for you to pet him or do something,Because you said, "the animals did not 'repent', they obeyed"
I am curious as to whether you believe that the animals consciously or unconsciously obeyed.
From what you have said can we assume it is an arbitrary selection?The Creator Decides. He His In Charge.
God says -- "God is not partial" Rom 2:11 - and God is incapable of lyingChrist did not fail in his mission. Christ's death on the cross has a 100% success rate. God saved his elect that he meant to save and not one will be lost. How do I know this? God said so and God is incapable of lying or failure.
"Arbitrary selection" is the process of selecting one to be saved and another lost - having nothing at all to do with the person being selected.From what you have said can we assume it is an arbitrary selection?
Exactly - both are lost -- one becomes saved and the other does not.To be saved you have to at some time been lost even if that is at the beginning. of time. So what is the difference between the lost that will be saved and the lost that will remain lost when they were both lost?
So, apparently only two of each unclean species of animals (male and female) decided to obey God and walk into the ark whereas all of the other multitudes of animals decided not to do it. Who asked them to obey? Assuredly it could not have been Noah as the vast majority of these animals were not his pets.If your pet dog is watching eagerly your eyes, waiting for you to pet him or do something,
and you tell him to sit, is he conscious or unconscious ?
If you pet dog is drugged, unconscious, breathing and alive but not awake, not alert, not looking nor able to look at anything,
and you tell him to sit, he won't respond at all, will he ?
Look again in all Scripture. Is there any indication that the Creator told or asked or led any animals to the Ark besides the ones who arrived and got on the Ark? /p.s. no/So, apparently only two of each unclean species of animals (male and female) decided to obey God and walk into the ark whereas all of the other multitudes of animals decided not to do it.
God saves the "whosoever" of their own very limited autonomous free will choose to humbly accept God's unconditional undeserved Love (in the form of forgiveness) as pure undeserved charity. If this is not the deciding factor to God salvation, then it is arbitrary, but I would consider your alternative.From All that the Creator Always Has Said, do you think it is arbitrary ?
If there is this, any other, or any alternative that God Wishes you to know, He is Well Able, If He Pleases so to do.God saves the "whosoever" of their own very limited autonomous free will choose to humbly accept God's unconditional undeserved Love (in the form of forgiveness) as pure undeserved charity. If this is not the deciding factor to God salvation, then it is arbitrary, but I would consider your alternative.
Absolutely. However, the vast majority of animals were, and remain, unclean in God's sight. God is quite specific as to the reasons for their uncleanness and it does not have anything to do with sin on their part. These animals are born unclean and can never become clean. Thus, it is quite immaterial as to whether the pairs of animals on the ark ever had any ability to obey.Look again in all Scripture. Is there any indication that the Creator told or asked or led any animals to the Ark besides the ones who arrived and got on the Ark? /p.s. no/
Is there any indication anywhere in Scripture that the animals sinned ? Again, no.
It is not a knowledge issue, it is a heart issue. In the parables of the banquets, are you willing to accept or reject the invitation which is a huge draw. In the parable of the prodigal son you are like the older son so will you attend the party. There is no knowledge issue for nothing more could be said to get you to go, but it is a heart issue.If there is this, any other, or any alternative that God Wishes you to know, He is Well Able, If He Pleases so to do.