Chrislam?

[ebia]

When is this thread going to go back on topic?

Maybe if people stop attacking Islam is unacceptable ways it won't drive a response.

Chrislam is a heresy that is now entering some American Protestant sects.
I do not know how they are going to justify Jesus being God and not being the Son of God or God in their services.

It will be interesting.

I also don't see how you can have a syncretism between the two that isn't unfaithful to both. Though conversely there is much that each could teach the other without undermining the other.

It's difficult to evaluate what it is we are actually talking about without some specific references to congregations doing/teaching specific things. None of the links in the first few posts seem to do that unless I've missed one. A blogsite that opens with talk of "endtimes" is not generally something I'd consider a reliable source. Equating building good relations with syncretism is absurd. Equating educating people about the Islamic take on Jesus (or anything else) is not syncretism. There is no substance to the article at all - it is even reduced to using a photoshopped picture and admiting it is just that!

 

[LinuxUser]

When is this thread going to go back on topic?

Chrislam is a heresy that is now entering some American Protestant sects.
I do not know how they are going to justify Jesus being God and not being the Son of God or God in their services.

It will be interesting.

I think before its over it will enter many denominations including the CC. Though I believe the conservative ones will not fall to this Chrislam heresy from Hell

 

[benedictaoo]

Actually being called a xenophobic and cafeteria Catholic is in fact saying i am wrong - and i posted precisely the Church's teaching.
And being i am wrong on what the Church teaches - does in fact suggest there is a problem in the transmission.





I am against what their religion teaches and professes.
Sharia Law is the system they live - when their numbers increase. That is part of their 'way of life' because it is actually more than just religion, it is a system - a governing tool.

Dhimmi, jihad, sharia are all part of their way of life. None of which is what Christ taught.



Yah because i state what they profess and way of life i am mean spiritied and wrong. Yah, that works for me.

Others have said i hate, show me where i have.

I suggested prayer... which is truly how to love one's enemies. And make no mistake, as a Christian we are their enemy and we have 3 choices [when and if an area becomes saturated in a nation by their laws] we can be killed, surrender to Islam or become a dhimmi with no rights and be of servitude. The Jews and pagans share our spot in life according to them... so whatever... i am the bad guy because 'i know' how things operate.

Regardless of what God they hope to worship - and even imperfectly - i not one time have said to hate anyone since it goes against my way of life in Christ.





Apathy. Ignorance to reality.


Proving you didnt read my post.

I said they [hope to] believe in the same God as the God of Abraham, and do so imperfectly.
Which is what the Church states.
SO how am i wrong exactly?

Yah, could you cite me saying that?

Really?

So you THINK personally Chrislam is feasible?

Should we pull out both the Koran and Bible at Church and quote them for services [Mass]?

I am not assuming this is your stance, rather unlike others, i am asking.


Oy ve.

My posts are out there. Be sure to read them.

WA, you are not "listening" to what all these folks here is trying to tell you.

NO body is saying we agree with Islamic ideology or that we should blend Christianity with Islam.

But we have been programed to think they are evil and the enemy, all that's wrong with the universe.

While they have done evil, evil things to us and to the Jewish people, they weren't doing them just for kicks, becuase its fun but out of retaliation for some evil things done to them.

The Muslims that live here who are not part of any terrorist organization do worship a false religion but their God, he's not Buddha, He is our God, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. They are not our enemy.

The Muslim only know of a distorted version of Him but its still Him.

Now as Christians we can treat them like a disease or we can meet them at some place in order to show them what we are really like becuase ya know, you are aware of, they think our version of Christ is pretty whack and for some Catholics and Christians, He is pretty whack.

So dialogue is a good thing- not being afraid of one another (becuase they think we are out to get them just like we think they are out to get us) is where we can begin to show them the truth about us.

We bare the burden to learn what they are really about and build some bridges and mend some fences.

The very first place to start is to open the eyes and see them for who and what they really are and not what we have been programed to believe they are.

 

[ebia]

I think before its over it will enter many denominations including the CC. Though I believe the conservative ones will not fall to this Chrislam heresy from Hell

What "Chrislam heresy"?

Interfaith dialog is not heresy.
Improved understanding of each others faiths is not heresy.
Hearing each other's texts is not heresy.
Looking for improved mutual understanding and relationship is not heresy.
Recognising that we all worship the God of Abraham is not heresy.
Realising and celebrating what we agree on is not heresy.

Any kind of syncretism would be heresy, but where is that happening?

 

[benedictaoo]

When is this thread going to go back on topic?

Chrislam is a heresy that is now entering some American Protestant sects.
I do not know how they are going to justify Jesus being God and not being the Son of God or God in their services.

It will be interesting.

It is a heresy but in your posts you went from that being a heresy to getting into some hard core stuff against all Muslims everywhere.

One has absolutely nothing to do with the other and the Anglicans on here were not advocating this heresy but they were commenting on your hard core post that had nothing to do with the heresy itself.

What they advocated is dialogue and making friends with them is good. They have said nothing about blending Islam in with the Catholic Mass.

I really do live in a Muslim neighborhood and they really do keep to themselves. Why they do that, I do not know, however, maybe I should find out. I had a Muslim customer years back who married a white American women- they were nice and I was very comfortable around him... I dunno- I really don't but we have to have some kind of relations with these people if we are going to convince them about the real Christ and us representing who Christ really is would also help.

You know how many Christians and Catholics walk around who give the Church and Christ a very bad name? Physician, heal thyself first before you can heal someone else.

 

[LinuxUser]

What "Chrislam heresy"?

Interfaith dialog is not heresy.
Improved understanding of each others faiths is not heresy.
Hearing each other's texts is not heresy.
Looking for improved mutual understanding and relationship is not heresy.
Recognising that we all worship the God of Abraham is not heresy.
Realising and celebrating what we agree on is not heresy.

Any kind of syncretism would be heresy, but where is that happening?

Any mix of Christian and islam is from the pit of Hell

 

[benedictaoo]

Any mix of Christian and islam is from the pit of Hell

Then JPll was straight from the pit of hell becuase he was absolutely for this. But the post was not mixing them, just talking to them.

 

[LinuxUser]

Then JPll was straight from the pit of hell becuase he was absolutely for this. But the post was not mixing them, just talking to them.

Well how about that. You can mix Christianity and islam but it is now a strange and dangerous gospel

 

[S.ilvio]

Any mix of Christian and islam is from the pit of Hell

There comes a point where you just have to in the face of such bigotry...

 

[benedictaoo]

Well how about that. You can mix Christianity and islam but it is now a strange and dangerous gospel

You may not bare a false wittiness against another person- God said that. You are baring a false witness against me and ebia.

Why does OBOB do this? Its so rampart. Say stuff other people do not say, its not like its not posted so we can't go back and check...

I will correct you one more time and then let it go.

Please read...

I never said in anyway that we should mix the religions nor did I say Islam is a valid religion. Its not.

ebia did not say it either.

what ebia said was this:

What "Chrislam heresy"?

Interfaith dialog is not heresy.
Improved understanding of each others faiths is not heresy.
Hearing each other's texts is not heresy.
Looking for improved mutual understanding and relationship is not heresy.
Recognising that we all worship the God of Abraham is not heresy.
Realising and celebrating what we agree on is not heresy.

Any kind of syncretism would be heresy, but where is that happening?

You were asked to show her where syncretism is happening... but you didn't... instead you went off and said she said she agrees with it... why when she didn't say she does?

so there.

 

[ebia]

Any mix of Christian and islam is from the pit of Hell

None of those are mixing.

 

[LinuxUser]

You may not bare a false wittiness against another person- God said that. You are baring a false witness against me and ebia.

Why does OBOB do this? Its so rampart. Say stuff other people do not say, its not like its not posted so we can't go back and check...

I will correct you one more time and then let it go.

Please read...

I never said in anyway that we should mix the religions nor did I say Islam is a valid religion. Its not.

ebia did not say it either.

what ebia said was this:

What "Chrislam heresy"?

Interfaith dialog is not heresy.
Improved understanding of each others faiths is not heresy.
Hearing each other's texts is not heresy.
Looking for improved mutual understanding and relationship is not heresy.
Recognising that we all worship the God of Abraham is not heresy.
Realising and celebrating what we agree on is not heresy.

Any kind of syncretism would be heresy, but where is that happening?

You were asked to show her where syncretism is happening... but you didn't... instead you went off and said she said she agrees with it... why when she didn't say she does?

so there.

No I am not. If you defend Chrislam than the shoe fits even if you don't like the shoe

 

[WarriorAngel]

Maybe if people stop attacking Islam is unacceptable ways it won't drive a response.


I also don't see how you can have a syncretism between the two that isn't unfaithful to both. Though conversely there is much that each could teach the other without undermining the other.

It's difficult to evaluate what it is we are actually talking about without some specific references to congregations doing/teaching specific things. None of the links in the first few posts seem to do that unless I've missed one. A blogsite that opens with talk of "endtimes" is not generally something I'd consider a reliable source. Equating building good relations with syncretism is absurd. Equating educating people about the Islamic take on Jesus (or anything else) is not syncretism. There is no substance to the article at all - it is even reduced to using a photoshopped picture and admiting it is just that!

This isnt necessarily a talking while reading the Quran in church side by side of the Bible.

This is going beyond talking points.

 

[ebia]

This isnt necessarily a talking while reading the Quran in church side by side of the Bible.

This is going beyond talking points.

If your normal sunday mass always involves a reading of the Koran on the same level as the Gospel, say, then it would have.

But that's not what is being talked about in anything linked to so far.

Having an occasional meeting for mutual understanding that includes hearing from both texts without assertion that either party accepts the other's text as God breathed is fine.

 

[ebia]

No I am not. If you defend Chrislam than the shoe fits even if you don't like the shoe

Define Chrislam. Nothing above is syncretism. Nobody is defending syncretism.

 

[benedictaoo]

No I am not. If you defend Chrislam than the shoe fits even if you don't like the shoe

I haven't defended it-show me where I have? I do not even know what it is...

what I defend is making friends with them and asking about what they believe and sharing what you believe with them. Of course I would not advocate this in a Muslim country becuase the Islamic laws over there can be extreme.

 

[LinuxUser]

Define Chrislam. Nothing above is syncretism. Nobody is defending syncretism.

the blending of Christianity and the evil islam

 

[LinuxUser]

I haven't defended it-show me where I have? I do not even know what it is...

what I defend is making friends with them and asking about what they believe and sharing what you believe with them. Of course I would not advocate this in a Muslim country becuase the Islamic laws over there can be extreme.

You were defending it by defending the post.

 

[ebia]

the blending of Christianity and [...] islam

i.e. syncretism. Nobody is defending that.

None of

Interfaith dialog is not heresy.
Improved understanding of each others faiths is not heresy.
Hearing each other's texts is not heresy.
Looking for improved mutual understanding and relationship is not heresy.
Recognising that we all worship the God of Abraham is not heresy.
Realising and celebrating what we agree on is not heresy.

Are that.

Calling Islam "evil" runs against Lumen Gentium, Nostra Aetate, JP II, Paul VI, Francis Cardinal Arinze,... It's not appropriate Catholic behaviour. Let your speech be always gracious, seasoned with salt. It also enflames the conversation. In order to stick to the topic avoid doing it.

 

[LinuxUser]

I will always call evil evil