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Just to your application of it here.
No. There was one sin they expressly knew of. That singular sin(greed) is the cause of all other sins.So they were unaware of sin until AFTER eating of the tree, and yet they were punished for doing so?
You're assuming "infinite time"? Based on what? Does the text ever say, for example, that:If you have free will, and it is physically possible for you to perform a certain action, then there is a certain probability that you will do it. IF that probability is 0 or 1, then you DO NOT have the free will to do it.
So IF there is some event with a probability of occurring between 0 and 1, then it MUST occur given infinite time.
QED
Your interpretation is speculation. Both were told not to eat from that tree and would die if they did.FACT: ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE God said: behold, the man is become as one of us, TO KNOW good and evil.
So, I do not speculate. The Bible claims that Adam and Eve did NOT KNOW good and evil before they ate fruit.
I don't believe they had MIND of 2 year old. But according to the Bible they had an experience and knowledge of good and evil of 2 year old.
It was a quote from the Bible not my speculation. God said that man BECAME like one of Them KNOWING good and evil.Your interpretation is speculation. Both were told not to eat from that tree and would die if they did.
Right/wrong =/= Good/evil
How should I know and what has that to do with this thread?So she knew something as a fact, but the serpent convinced her otherwise. Could the serpent have convinced her that 2+2=5?
How should I know and what has that to do with this thread?
The 4 points you made do not reflect my views. I refuse to argue points that do not address my views.
No shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground;Your views don't address my views either. Allow me to reiterate:
1. Adam and Eve were unaware of good and evil, or at least were unaware of their significance
2. God allows a crafty deceiver to converse with them
3. They unwittingly commit evil
4. God punishes them
How is this justice?
No shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground;
And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.’
I would like to state that man was always made to tend the garden and work the field according to that.
It wasn't a punishment.
A sign of life's significance, and the very trials and pains that are to be indured for the very direction of life by God's will, for our sake.Pain in childbirth also not a punishment?
Your views don't address my views either. Allow me to reiterate:
1. Adam and Eve were unaware of good and evil, or at least were unaware of their significance
2. God allows a crafty deceiver to converse with them
3. They unwittingly commit evil
4. God punishes them
How is this justice?
A sign of life's significance, and the very trials and pains that are to be indured for the very direction of life by God's will, for our sake.
Hi NV, this is what I believe in regard to your points above (point by point):
1. We will have to agree to disagree, because I don't believe that's what the Bible teachesHow is this justice? Simple, Adam did what God specifically told him not to do and God punished him because of it, just like He told him he would do beforehand. There's really nothing more to it than that!
2. True
3. False, because Adam committed evil (IOW, he disobeyed God's specific command to him) with the full knowledge that he was doing so. He also knew that there would be a heavy price to pay if he disobeyed (Genesis 2:16-17). And he was hardly unaware of what he was doing, nor did he at any point attempt to claim such a thing. Rather, after he disobeyed, he tried to hide himself from God (Genesis 3:8) and then, when God found him, he immediately tried to pass the blame for his disobedience to his wife AND to God (for giving her to him in the first place.. see Genesis 3:12). He was guilty of doing what he knew God told him not to do, and he clearly knew it was wrong!!
4. True
Yours and His,
David
I will agree for a moment that God punished Adam and Eve for disobeying Him. Why did He punish me? Why didn't He give me an opportunity to start in the place like garden of Eden?
Then why do you post your views and then expect me to defend them? You reiteration is not my views and I will not defend them.Your views don't address my views either. Allow me to reiterate:
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