Chik-Fil-A and tolerance

[RedPaddy]

Still, none of that (and most of it -- at least most of the non-hysterical version of the facts -- is just treating gay people like human beings equal under the law to straight people -- you know "All men are created equal) defiles Tomas' marriage (or yours, either, for that matter).

Didn't say it did, just pointing out a couple of the negative ramifications realized by trying to redefine marriage and promote homosexuality.

(good thing that can't happen here.)

 

[Archangel Horus]

This Chick-Fil-A issue has been blown so far out of proportion it's ridiculous.

It's an opinion, it's not discrimination. What is his beliefs is his beliefs and trying to bully the guy into changing them is not going to help a thing. I don't agree with his beliefs at all, but it's not like he's saying that he doesn't want gays into his establishment or he wishes ill on them or something of that sort.

I swear the gay activist community are starting to become almost as bad as the Religious Right.

 

[acropolis]

This Chick-Fil-A issue has been blown so far out of proportion it's ridiculous.

It's an opinion, it's not discrimination. What is his beliefs is his beliefs and trying to bully the guy into changing them is not going to help a thing. I don't agree with his beliefs at all, but it's not like he's saying that he doesn't want gays into his establishment or he wishes ill on them or something of that sort.

I swear the gay activist community are starting to become almost as bad as the Religious Right.

You need to think about this argument a little more. Beliefs, when held by enough people, can be terribly damaging. I would say "see: recorded history" but I'll be more specific and point to the tremendous resistance to the Civil Rights Movement.

 

[BleedingHeart]

This Chick-Fil-A issue has been blown so far out of proportion it's ridiculous.

It's an opinion, it's not discrimination. What is his beliefs is his beliefs and trying to bully the guy into changing them is not going to help a thing. I don't agree with his beliefs at all, but it's not like he's saying that he doesn't want gays into his establishment or he wishes ill on them or something of that sort.

I swear the gay activist community are starting to become almost as bad as the Religious Right.

It's not being blown out of proportion. The guy said what his views are, his company makes donations to anti-gay groups, why is it so terrible that gay rights groups are asking people to not eat there?

 

[Archangel Horus]

It's not being blown out of proportion. The guy said what his views are, his company makes donations to anti-gay groups, why is it so terrible that gay rights groups are asking people to not eat there?

All the events that they throw into it.

I have plenty of people I know that will NEVER go to a Chick-Fil-A again for this and rightly so. Let the people decide.

 

[RedPaddy]

It's not being blown out of proportion. The guy said what his views are, his company makes donations to anti-gay groups, why is it so terrible that gay rights groups are asking people to not eat there?

Do you think he should be swiftboated?

(you know, like what you said you are in favor of doing to Romney.)

 

[BleedingHeart]

Do you think he should be swiftboated?

(you know, like what you said you are in favor of doing to Romney.)

Maybe a smidgen.

 

[BleedingHeart]

All the events that they throw into it.

I have plenty of people I know that will NEVER go to a Chick-Fil-A again for this and rightly so. Let the people decide.

They will.

 

[TLK Valentine]

This Chick-Fil-A issue has been blown so far out of proportion it's ridiculous.

It's an opinion, it's not discrimination. What is his beliefs is his beliefs and trying to bully the guy into changing them is not going to help a thing. I don't agree with his beliefs at all, but it's not like he's saying that he doesn't want gays into his establishment or he wishes ill on them or something of that sort.

Well, it's morwe than just an opinion -- it's millions of dollars being donated to organizations which want to give those opinions the force of law.

I swear the gay activist community are starting to become almost as bad as the Religious Right.

I see -- so boycotts and protests are bad now?

 

[Archangel Horus]

Well, it's morwe than just an opinion -- it's millions of dollars being donated to organizations which want to give those opinions the force of law.

I see -- so boycotts and protests are bad now?

I meant with the constant screaming over someone's opinion, not to mention that he hasn't even acted on it in his business (unless someone can tell me if he's been doing hiring or serving discriminations?)

Personally, I think businesses should stay neutral politically. You're an idiot if you plan to run a large business and not stay neutral, it's just good business.

 

[stamperben]

Which Side
words and music by Arlo Guthrie

There's trouble all around the world
Well, it looks that way to me
People don't know what to do
They don't know where they should be
But just one question still remains
To which we must respond
Two roads lead from where we are
Which side are you on

CHORUS: Are you on, boys
Which side are you on
Which side are you on, boys
Which side are you on

 

[TLK Valentine]

I meant with the constant screaming over someone's opinion, not to mention that he hasn't even acted on it.

"Hasn't acted on it"? According to their tax records, in 2010, Chick-Fil-A donated about $2 million to various Anti-gay organizations.

Now, granted, that's hardly the bulk of their charitable work, but the fact remains that they have indeed acted on it.


As for their employment, it would seem that they've acted on that as well...

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0723/080.html

Chick-fil-A, the corporate parent, has been sued at least 12 times since 1988 on charges of employment discrimination, according to records in U.S. District Courts. Aziz Latif, a former Chick-fil-A restaurant manager in Houston, sued the company in 2002 after Latif, a Muslim, says he was fired a day after he didn't participate in a group prayer to Jesus Christ at a company training program in 2000. The suit was settled on undisclosed terms.

Personally, I think businesses should stay neutral politically. You're an idiot if you plan to run a large business and not stay neutral, it's just good business.

Agreed -- I will miss their waffle fries.

 

[dies-l]

Since we're sharing, it was your choice of icons that undermined your credibility in my opinion.

Regardless, you are still free to verify any and all facts if you are displeased with another's choice of sources.

Choice of political affiliation vs established track record of dishonesty: which is more relevant to one's credibility? Apparently you think the former is, and that is quite telling.

Stay classy!

 

[RedPaddy]

established track record of dishonesty

you've still yet to introduce any facts which substantiate this claim.

 

[psalms 91]

"Hasn't acted on it"? According to their tax records, in 2010, Chick-Fil-A donated about $2 million to various Anti-gay organizations.

Now, granted, that's hardly the bulk of their charitable work, but the fact remains that they have indeed acted on it.


As for their employment, it would seem that they've acted on that as well...

The Cult of Chick-fil-A - Forbes.com




Agreed -- I will miss their waffle fries.

I have a unique idea, business owners should be free to hire who they choose. I am sure that just as there are business owners who believe as I do that it is not right there are also business owners who have no problem with it, they should both be free to hire who they choose. Sort of like saying that gays are ok and thats fine but if I say they are not ok according to the bible then it is hate speech, what a double standard that is.

 

[beechy]

I have a unique idea, business owners should be free to hire who they choose. I am sure that just as there are business owners who believe as I do that it is not right there are also business owners who have no problem with it, they should both be free to hire who they choose. Sort of like saying that gays are ok and thats fine but if I say they are not ok according to the bible then it is hate speech, what a double standard that is.

Business owners can hire who they chose so long as they don't discriminate based on an applicant's membership in a protected class -- e.g., race, sex, religion, disability, etc. Sexual orientation is a protected class in some but not all states.

 

[OllieFranz]

Business owners can hire who they chose so long as they don't discriminate based on an applicant's membership in a protected class -- e.g., race, sex, religion, disability, etc. Sexual orientation is a protected class in some but not all states.

Not exactly. They can't discriminate based on the fact that the applicant is "other" based on a "suspect" classification. Blacks are not, under the anti-discrimination laws, priveleged over whites, but both are protected from any illegal racial discrimination of the business owner. Similarly with the other suspect classifications: religion, age, national origin, and a number of sex- and gender-related clasifications (exactly how many, and which ones varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction).

And no, my restating it that way is not just a case of "the law forbids the rich and the poor alike from sleeping under a bridge or stealing a scrap of bread," though sometimes it seems to work out that way. There are understandable reasons for this based on our history of the last 200 years of ignoring the contributions that certain segments of the population (the segments with darker skin, than the majority, or thicker accents than the majority, or different body types than the majority, or a dfferent way of praying) There are more-than-occasional cases whereby someone of the majority side of the divide is discriminated against, usually by someone who mistakenly thinks he must give undue preference to someone on the minority side.

 

[Archangel Horus]

"Hasn't acted on it"? According to their tax records, in 2010, Chick-Fil-A donated about $2 million to various Anti-gay organizations.

Now, granted, that's hardly the bulk of their charitable work, but the fact remains that they have indeed acted on it.


As for their employment, it would seem that they've acted on that as well...

The Cult of Chick-fil-A - Forbes.com




Agreed -- I will miss their waffle fries.

When I mean "hasn't acted on it", I mean I haven't heard any stories of gay discrimination of serving them or hiring them in Chick-Fil-A restaurants, and I KNOW we will hear it if even ONE case happens.

But I didn't know about the money thing early on. That is def not good for business. They may be getting record sales now, but they better pray (hehe) that they picked the right side, or their business will cease to exist eventually.

 

[MachZer0]

We are talking about a kiss-in though. Kissing is still legal on public sidewalks.

Nobody said it was illegal.

As long as they stay in the sidewalk and kiss, they will be likely be allowed to protest. But as we know from history, liberal protests have a tendency to develop a mob characteristic which often leads to law breaking.

 

[MachZer0]

You need to think about this argument a little more. Beliefs, when held by enough people, can be terribly damaging. I would say "see: recorded history" but I'll be more specific and point to the tremendous resistance to the Civil Rights Movement.

Darn that first amendment