Chik-Fil-A and tolerance

[pointman7a]

Had to wait a hour in line today to get me some chicken nuggets at Chick fil a. It felt like election day in line years ago waiting to vote for Ronald Reagan. It was worth it!

 

[stamperben]

Wasn't prop 8 determined by a vote of the people rather than an edict from a single elected official? Rights can be granted/recinded through law correct?

Part of the problem with Calif. The initiative passed has to be Constitutional. Prop 8 wasn't. Same for a city's mayor's initiative. If it is allowed by the law of the land all well and good, if you don't like it vote the bum out.

For those of you with law degrees, file suit against those mayors who wish a business out of their city. Let the law decide. What's the problem with that?

 

[Received]

Looks like the PR move worked very well for Chick's profits.

 

[MachZer0]

In Boston and Chicago over Chic-Fil-A, perhaps. But in California over Prop 8....

Exactly! And it cuts both ways.

There is no violation of rights in this case other than the attempts by mayors to ban Chick fil-A from their cities, and now a New York city councilman calling for them to be banned from campus

 

[jpcedotal]

Chick-Fil-A will become the biggest food chain because of this

 

[jpcedotal]

Most Americans are against gay marriage...period...proof is in the lines

 

[stamperben]

Most Americans are against gay marriage...period...proof is in the lines

Really? There were lines of over 150,000,000 folks?

Astounding...

 

[explodingboy]

We overlook the racism spewed by black pastors daily...how is this different?

You'd have to tell me, because my opinion of both is identical.

Though, quite where I'd be in a business transaction with a pastor does leave me scratching my head.. I suppose I could not attend a bake sale.

 

[OllieFranz]

Wasn't prop 8 determined by a vote of the people rather than an edict from a single elected official? Rights can be granted/recinded through law correct?

We hold these vruths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, ....
(emphasis mine)

The US Constitution recognizes certain of these unalienable rights, and the guardians of the Constitution (aka the Supreme Court) have added to the list rights that are not specifically spelled out in the text, but are alluded to in Amendments Nine and Ten. No legislation can repeal the government's recognition of these rights. It would take a Constitutional amendment to repeal their recognition.

So, no. Rights can not be granted/rescinded by law. They are unalienable. The government can recognize a right or try to ignore it, by passing laws, but once a right is recognized by the Constitution or by the Supreme Court, it takes the a change in the Constitution or the Supreme Court to rescind that recognition.

 

[variant]

You do realize that he was saying that to a Baptist magazine/newsletter right? Kind of where you'd expect people to invoke God.

How does the audience affect the content of a message exactly?

 

[Tomas de Torquemada]

Anyone still in denial about the culture war, this is your wake up call.



Anyone else remember WAAAY back in the ancient days of 2004, when all the leftist pundits were claiming gay marriage was a red herring throw up by the right in order to distract the population from the real issues? That they were freaking out over "slippery slopes" and that the left had no intention of defiling marriage?


I guess 2004 is a bit too far back for the left to remember.

 

[OllieFranz]

Anyone still in denial about the culture war, this is your wake up call.



Anyone else remember WAAAY back in the ancient days of 2004, when all the leftist pundits were claiming gay marriage was a red herring throw up by the right in order to distract the population from the real issues? That they were freaking out over "slippery slopes" and that the left had no intention of defiling marriage?


I guess 2004 is a bit too far back for the left to remember.

What "the pundits" said then is still true today. How has Adam and Steve's marriage in Massachusetts defiled your marriage? Or how does recognizing the basic right of John and Joe to marriage and its rights and obligations defile the same right to Jim and Mary? Please be specific. Generic fear mongering does not advance anyone's understanding of the issue.

 

[jgarden]

Is Chik-Fil-A now going to require that each customer swear to a "sexual orientation" oath before being served?

 

[MachZer0]

Is Chik-Fil-A now going to require that each customer swear to a "sexual orientation" oath before being served?

A better question is are mayors going to require every business to swear to a pro same sex marriage policy before giving business permits?

 

[Rion]

Here's a question. LGBTQRSXYZ groups are going to do a "kiss in" to protest, right? Can't Chick-fil-a just demand they order something or leave? And if they do, aren't they just helping their business?

 

[MachZer0]

Here's a question. LGBTQRSXYZ groups are going to do a "kiss in" to protest, right? Can't Chick-fil-a just demand they order something or leave? And if they do, aren't they just helping their business?

I would say it will depend on where this protest is held. Inside the story they can be removed and possibly arrested. Outside the store, they can still be asked to leave and possibly arrested if on private property. On the public sidewalk, they can pretty much do as they please within the confines of the law.

 

[stamperben]

On the public sidewalk, they can pretty much do as they please within the confines of the law.

Kissing is still legal.

 

[psalms 91]

What "the pundits" said then is still true today. How has Adam and Steve's marriage in Massachusetts defiled your marriage? Or how does recognizing the basic right of John and Joe to marriage and its rights and obligations defile the same right to Jim and Mary? Please be specific. Generic fear mongering does not advance anyone's understanding of the issue.

What it does do is legalize sin which to me and many many others as witnessed by the mass support has no place in our society(legally I mean)

 

[Lee52]

Perhaps this is the one issue that can unite Christians and Islam in peace?

I doubt it, but who knows?

By the most recent demographics, conducted in a study by a liberal University of California campus, GLBT citizens in the USA make up smaller than 4% of the total population.

The two largest groups that do not support that <4% of the population's agenda are Muslims and Christians.

Stranger things have happened.

 

[MachZer0]

Kissing is still legal.

While trespassing is not