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You are still putting one attribute above others, and above His glory. He’s singular, and not the sum of His parts.
I said His chief glory is His love. If His combined attributes didn't include love, then not only would He be less glorious, but He'd be of little benefit to His creation. What makes Him glorious, lovable, is His infinite, ineffable goodness, His love.
 
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I said His chief glory is His love. If His combined attributes didn't include love, then not only would He be less glorious, but He'd be of little benefit to His creation. What makes Him glorious, lovable, is His infinite, ineffable goodness, His love.
So you think one attribute is greater than His combined attributes? A part is greater than the whole?
 
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So you think one attribute is greater than His combined attributes? A part is greater than the whole?
No, I think that without that one attribute the others would be inadequate to make Him truly glorious. John emphasized the point that God is love as that attribute became known to him in definitive and emphatic and personal terms with the revelation of Christ. And even though he did name that attribute exclusively, he wasn't denying the others. Either way love lies at the very heart and soul of the Christian faith. It makes Christianity distinctively supreme.
 
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No, I think that without that one attribute the others would be inadequate to make Him truly glorious. John emphasized the point that God is love as that attribute became known to him in definitive and emphatic and personal terms with the revelation of Christ. And even though he did name that attribute exclusively, he wasn't denying the others. Either way love lies at the very heart and soul of the Christian faith. It makes Christianity distinctively supreme.
Without any one attribute, He would be inadequate to be truly glorious. You keep trying to break Him into parts and making one greater than the whole.
 
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Without any one attribute, He would be inadequate to be truly glorious. You keep trying to break Him into parts and making one greater than the whole.
Maybe. But the truly glorious Christians I know, for example, are the ones who love well, even if limited in power, intelligence, knowledge, etc. Anyway, love is our end which is why the greatest commandments are what they are and which is directly connected to the fact that God, who is our end, is love. Love calling and enabling us to love.
 
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Maybe. But the truly glorious Christians I know, for example, are the ones who love well, even if limited in power, intelligence, knowledge, etc. Anyway, love is our end which is why the greatest commandments are what they are and which is directly connected to the fact that God, who is our end, is love. Love calling and enabling us to love.
And we do all of that for…wait for it…the glory of God.
 
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And we do all of that for…wait for it…the glory of God.
And yet His real glory is in wanting to glorify...wait for it...others, to glorify us. Because that's the nature of love, to share in its goodness.
 
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The Greek meaning of the Greek word does not have a singular English word, so translators do their best to match in context the best English word or words.
Right. And it doesn’t change the meaning.
 
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And yet His real glory is in wanting to glorify...wait for it...others, to glorify us. Because that's the nature of love, to share in its goodness.
No!!!! God would never put our glory above His. That’s bordering on blasphemy.
 
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No!!!! God would never put our glory above His. That’s bordering on blasphemy.
No!!! I didn't say He puts our glory before His. But, again, the nature of love is to glorify the other-which is His very purpose in creating us, to produce something much better/higher than sinful vermin!!! And He wants this because He is love.
 
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No!!! I didn't say He puts our glory before His. But, again, the nature of love is to glorify the other-which is His very purpose in creating us, to produce something much better/higher than sinful vermin!!! And He wants this because He is love.
FOR HIS GLORY!
 
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Everything God does is motivated by love. Grace is that love moving or acting in the world, associated with the work of the Holy Spirit. His wrath is only righteous anger-always intended for the ultimate good of His world.
Do you believe that God's justice and wrath as expressed by the eternal commitment of the vast majority of humanity to the lake of fire which burns forever and ever is motivated by unconditional love?
 
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Not when the comparison isn’t the same.

No.

How does that help?
I am not trying to describe a "lottery", but a made-up Spiritual type lottery like what the kingdom is like. Calling it a "lottery" might be hard for you, but some of Jesus' parables are not meant to be exact replications of what happens on earth, but to show what the Kingdom is like, with an earthly story.
We can bypass the earthly analogy and talk about what is happening in the Kingdom:

God is offering Godly type Love, eternal life, and fellowship to all sinners (an unbelievable huge charitable gift) most people will not humble themselves to the point of accepting this gift as pure undeserved charity, but some humbly accept the gift thus taking possession. You seem to be saying: if a person humbly accepts this huge charitable gift, they have thus earned the gift, made themselves worthy of the gift or deserve the gift, while I am saying just humbly accepting pure undeserved charity does not make a person: worthy, deserving nor did he/she earn any part of the gift. How does humbly accepting a charitable gift make the person worthy of the gift is my question?
 
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