Chief end of man

[Hammster]

The Lottery analogy seems to difficult for you so I just dropped the analogy.

Actually, I pointed out the flaw in the analogy and you won’t admit it.

 

[Hammster]

The Greek word for justification is the same Greek word for righteousness, so the context determines which one we should use. The Hebrew uses the same root word for both, but the Hebrew translators mostly translated the actual Hebrew words differently, mostly "righteous".

When it comes to salvation you are both righteous and justified in the English definition of these words.

If it’s the same Greek word then it has the same meaning.

 

[bling]

Actually, I pointed out the flaw in the analogy and you won’t admit it.

You added to the analogy, I was just trying and did show how humbly accepting a huge charitable gift is not make a person worthy of the gift.

 

[bling]

If it’s the same Greek word then it has the same meaning.

The same Greek word for faithful is also the word for faith, but those two English words have different meaning you have to use the context to determine which English word to used only one English word if it did conveyed only one English meaning.

 

[Hammster]

You added to the analogy, I was just trying and did show how humbly accepting a huge charitable gift is not make a person worthy of the gift.

I didn’t add. Lotteries aren’t charity.

 

[Hammster]

The same Greek word for faithful is also the word for faith, but those two English words have different meaning you have to use the context to determine which English word to used only one English word if it did conveyed only one English meaning.

It only matters what was intended, not what was translated. Your argument keeps failing.

 

[bling]

I didn’t add. Lotteries aren’t charity.

The analogy is only with accepting the lottery money and accepting God's charity.
Accepting the lottery money does not mean you deserve the money, earned the money, or deserve the money, having the winning ticket means you deserve the money, but that was not part of my analogy.
You might think of it like God gives us all a billion-dollar winning ticket after we sin, but we still have deposit the ticket to get the money into our account. We can choose not to deposit the free undeserved money, give the ticket to satan and not take God's charity or we can deposit the money. Our depositing of the money does not in anyway mean: we have earned the money, deserve the money or are worthy of the money.
The gift in Spiritual sense is unbelievably much greater than a billion-dollars. it includes Godly type Love and eternal life.

 

[bling]

It only matters what was intended, not what was translated. Your argument keeps failing.

The trnslators are trying to give us the intended English meaning for Greek words that can have multiple meanings.

 

[fhansen]

I agree with this because there is nothing greater than His glory. It’s the culmination of all we know about Him. Some have argued that God is more interested in loving us than He is with His glory.

God's chief glory is His love. It's what makes Him God, and a God worth loving in return, Man's very purpose, his telos, is to come to know and love God with his whole heart, soul, mind, and strength, by knowing His love, and by that coming to love our neighbor as He does as well. That relationship, that love, itself, is the basis of unending, uncompromised sheer bliss, happiness, and ecstasy for man-that's what Love desires for the other: the best. God wouldn't have it any other way. We're to respond as He draws us into His love, to come to value and appreciate it as the highest Good-because He is that love.

 

[bbbbbbb]

God's chief glory is His love. It's what makes Him God, and a God worth loving in return, Man's very purpose, his telos, is to come to know and love God with his whole heart, soul, mind, and strength, by knowing His love, and by that coming to love our neighbor as He does as well. That relationship, that love, itself, is the basis of unending, uncompromised sheer bliss, happiness, and ecstasy for man-that's what Love desires for the other: the best. God wouldn't have it any other way. We're to respond as He draws us into His love, to come to value and appreciate it as the highest Good-because He is that love.

God is far more than mere perfect love. By focusing on a single attribute of God, one can develop a distorted understanding of God.

 

[fhansen]

God is far more than mere perfect love. By focusing on a single attribute of God, one can develop a distorted understanding of God.

True enough-and yet if not for His love, He wouldn't be the God of Christianity, the God of absolute and total goodness, a God worth worshipping who can offer a life worth living eternally. He would still be great, powerful, omniscient, fearsome, etc... but nothing else, nothing more, not nearly as great.

 

[bbbbbbb]

True enough-and yet if not for His love, He wouldn't be the God of Christianity, the God of absolute and total goodness, a God worth worshipping who can offer a life worth living eternally. He would still be great, powerful, omniscient, fearsome, etc... but nothing else, nothing more, not nearly as great.

There are still many aspects in your "etc." All of those attributes have their opposites which tell us what God is not. We can understand God through His attributes or, conversely, what He is not. For example, God is not a man that He should lie.

 

[Hammster]

The analogy is only with accepting the lottery money and accepting God's charity.

Two different things.

Accepting the lottery money does not mean you deserve the money, earned the money, or deserve the money, having the winning ticket means you deserve the money, but that was not part of my analogy.

Actually, accepting the money does mean you’ve earned it and deserved it based on the conditions of the lottery.

You might think of it like God gives us all a billion-dollar winning ticket after we sin, but we still have deposit the ticket to get the money into our account.

That’s not a lottery.

We can choose not to deposit the free undeserved money, give the ticket to satan and not take God's charity or we can deposit the money. Our depositing of the money does not in anyway mean: we have earned the money, deserve the money or are worthy of the money.
The gift in Spiritual sense is unbelievably much greater than a billion-dollars. it includes Godly type Love and eternal life.

Yeah, still not a lottery.

 

[Hammster]

The trnslators are trying to give us the intended English meaning for Greek words that can have multiple meanings.

True. That doesn’t change the meaning, though.

 

[Hammster]

God's chief glory is His love. It's what makes Him God, and a God worth loving in return, Man's very purpose, his telos, is to come to know and love God with his whole heart, soul, mind, and strength, by knowing His love, and by that coming to love our neighbor as He does as well. That relationship, that love, itself, is the basis of unending, uncompromised sheer bliss, happiness, and ecstasy for man-that's what Love desires for the other: the best. God wouldn't have it any other way. We're to respond as He draws us into His love, to come to value and appreciate it as the highest Good-because He is that love.

Nonsense. You’ve put one attribute of God over His combined attributes. He’s gone from being singular to having parts, even having one part greater than the whole.

 

[Hammster]

True enough-and yet if not for His love, He wouldn't be the God of Christianity, the God of absolute and total goodness, a God worth worshipping who can offer a life worth living eternally. He would still be great, powerful, omniscient, fearsome, etc... but nothing else, nothing more, not nearly as great.

You can say that about any attribute.

 

[fhansen]

You can say that about any attribute.

Nope. Or if we did we wouldn't understand what He's about. Love is the goodness of God-while power, knowledge, intelligence, as we witness to in mini-form in this life, are no guarantee of goodness. As Teresa of Avila was blest to come to understand, "It's love alone that gives worth to all things", including-or especially-our very existence. We don't value it as God does, until we begin to, by His grace.

 

[Hammster]

Nope. Or if we did we wouldn't understand what He's about. Love is the goodness of God-while power, knowledge, intelligence, as we witness to in mini-form in this life, are no guarantee of goodness. As Teresa of Avila was blest to come to understand, "It's love alone that gives worth to all things", including-or especially-our very existence. We don't value it as God does, until we begin to, by His grace.

If it wasn’t for wrath, He wouldn’t be the God of Christianity. If it wasn’t for grace, He wouldn’t be the God of Christianity. If it wasn’t for mercy, He wouldn’t be the God of Christianity. Etc.

 

[fhansen]

If it wasn’t for wrath, He wouldn’t be the God of Christianity. If it wasn’t for grace, He wouldn’t be the God of Christianity. If it wasn’t for mercy, He wouldn’t be the God of Christianity. Etc.

Everything God does is motivated by love. Grace is that love moving or acting in the world, associated with the work of the Holy Spirit. His wrath is only righteous anger-always intended for the ultimate good of His world.

 

[Hammster]

Everything God does is motivated by love. Grace is that love moving or acting in the world, associated with the work of the Holy Spirit. His wrath is only righteous anger-always intended for the ultimate good of His world.

You are still putting one attribute above others, and above His glory. He’s singular, and not the sum of His parts.