Chemtrails

[Bassmode]

Actually, the condensation of contrails into clouds is a well-understood phenomenon based on how moisture in the upper atmosphere interacts with aerosols in jet exhaust. Whether a jet contrail expands into a cirrus cloud depends on the temperature and moisture in the atmosphere around it.

http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/contrail-edu/science.php

None of this is new or controversial.



Seeing as it depends on the moisture and temperature of the air, no, it is not scientifically impossible. The air is not uniformly moist, and you need a low enough temperature and a high enough moisture for contrails to form. In fact, we'd expect this sort of patchy pattern.



Cite please?



There is no source given for those photos. I have no idea where those are from. Care to share the source?

Hey mate the photos are from the link of the website that I posted, not sure where they sourced them from.

 

[Brother Jerry]

Btodd

<quote>Shills, shills, everywhere. Don't listen to anyone who disagrees with me, they're all shills! </quote>

I thought you were going to break out in a musical parody of "Signs"

"Shills, shills, everywhere shills"

LOL

On a serious note.
Ok so the spin here is that after spraying there is large amounts of barium and aluminum in the water. OK. And the argument against the contrails being water based is because they hang around too long....but yet that argument completely ignores that both barium and aluminum as single molecules atoms weigh more than an entire water molecule. So having more mass they would disipate quicker than H2O due to gravitational affects pulling them down. The lighter molecule of water would resist "falling" just like helium floats upwards.

Even if you gave aluminum and barium some credit and they cling to the water molecule...that would simply mean that the water molecule with the extra elements clinging to it, would have more mass than the any of the single elements that make up the "dirty" molecule.

So chemtrailers ask yourself this...does helium float up?
Do you know why?
If you put a rock into a glass of water will it float?
Do you know why?
Do you know what happens on a hot air balloon when they light the fire?
Do you know why?
Do you know if in that same balloon they have to keep the fire going constantly or do they provide the flames in bursts?
Do you know why?

Now when a chemtrailist can answer those questions then perhaps one would better understand how "chemicals" dispersed would not hang around longer than water vapors.

You all would have done better if you said "look at that jet...there are no contrails...they must be spraying chemicals" than going the other way around

 

[Fireinfolding]

Kristen did not say there were shills everywhere she warned of one in her video

I think she would know the whys to all your questions

I dont believe Kristen Meghan is what is called "a chemtrailist" She is x millitary having worked in a field of bio enviromental engineering (an industrial hygenist). A whistleblower in the area of geoengineering. Rosiland Peterson is considered one of the leading experts in geoengineering.

Heres another video

In this one she mentions David Keith (who was ironically just posted by someone here earlier) and in the beginning part of this video

 

[Btodd]

Speaking of David Keith, I thought he was quite gracious to allow this group of We Are Change (9/11 Truthers) to visit him and ask him about 'chemtrails'. It's amusing to see them leap from chemtrails, to HAARP, to 9/11 and more...jumping from conspiracy theory to conspiracy theory in the disjointed, connect-the-dots thinking that they're infected with.

He did quite a good job of being polite and trying to get them to think rationally for a change.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I dont know who that other group is and its great to be gracious

 

[Fireinfolding]

How are these people who call themselves "we are change" relevant to me?

Do they have some credentials that I need to know of?

 

[Btodd]

How are these people who call themselves "we are change" relevant to me?

Do they have some credentials that I need to know of?

I don't know that these people are particularly relevant to you. They're a local group of 9/11 Truthers who also believe in chemtrails, weather modification via HAARP, among other conspiracies. But I thought it was relevant because his name was brought up, and he tries to clear up some misconceptions they have about geoengineering, contrails and other scientific claims.


Btodd

 

[Fireinfolding]

I don't know that these people are particularly relevant to you. They're a local group of 9/11 Truthers who also believe in chemtrails, weather modification via HAARP, among other conspiracies. But I thought it was relevant because his name was brought up, and he tries to clear up some misconceptions they have about geoengineering, contrails and other scientific claims.


Btodd

I dont call everything a conspiracy myself. I also know that whipping that word out at people who question whichever official story is out there is just a way to demonize people with questions (and who were given good reasons to). Although I am not quite sure who is set to judge whether something is rightly determined to be "a true" governmental type of conspiracy (or not). But thankfully there are a lot of government people (from within the CIA, FBI and the like) who are whistlesblowers that have and do come forward (whether for one thing or the other) but state the same themselves in these certain other situations as being conspiracies of some sorts.

David's name was brought up earlier already.

And at the first I posted Kristen and her credentials (who warned in her video of the site you posted behind hers as being a shill site) in respects to Mick Wests which made me wonder if you even watched it (not that you were actually obligated to do so). As I figured if you had you might have said this is "that supposed" shill site mentioned in Kristens video (then link to it) which would have been great. It is also fine that you did not. But that was somewhat ironic, and then the... "shills shills shills shills everywhere comment, when that was not what she said (at all) she gave just one (the one that ended up being posted after hers). And you can also see on the other video posted (in the body of conversation at Youtube) that that too was being handed out with mis information on Rosiland Peterson (a leading expert in geoengineering). Which was ironic as well. And so when David was brought up I ended up capturing another video showing a connection following in David, and him being mentioned in another video but linking only media coverage of the man, not to some group "we are change" as if they have some credentials (?) that I am supposed to give an ear to in this thing.

Sorta like if this guy David should look extra special (to me) for taking on this group who mean absolutely nothing to me.

So his name was already brought up (not that I "just" brought him up) but now we have him again, with a bunch of credential- less folks

(is sort of what I mean)

And I dont know what this HAARP deal is all about either I'll have to put that on my list of things to check out when I have the time (and curiosity)

Gotta make dinner

 

[Btodd]

I dont call everything a conspiracy myself. I also know that whipping that word out at people who question whichever official story is out there is just a way to demonize people with questions (and who were given good reasons to). Although I am not quite sure who is set to judge whether something is rightly determined to be "a true" governmental type of conspiracy (or not). But thankfully there are a lot of government people (from within the CIA, FBI and the like) who are whistlesblowers that have and do come forward (whether for one thing or the other) but state the same themselves in these certain other situations as being conspiracies of some sorts.

David's name was brought up earlier already.

And at the first I posted Kristen and her credentials (who warned in her video of the site you posted behind hers as being a shill site) in respects to Mick Wests which made me wonder if you even watched it (not that you were actually obligated to do so). As I figured if you had you might have said this is "that supposed" shill site mentioned in Kristens video (then link to it) which would have been great. It is also fine that you did not. But that was somewhat ironic, and then the... "shills shills shills shills everywhere comment, when that was not what she said (at all) she gave just one (the one that ended up being posted after hers). And you can also see on the other video posted (in the body of conversation at Youtube) that that too was being handed out with mis information on Rosiland Peterson (a leading expert in geoengineering). Which was ironic as well. And so when David was brought up I ended up capturing another video showing a connection following in David, and him being mentioned in another video but linking only media coverage of the man, not to some group "we are change" as if they have some credentials (?) that I am supposed to give an ear to in this thing.

Sorta like if this guy David should look extra special (to me) for taking on this group who mean absolutely nothing to me.

So his name was already brought up (not that I "just" brought him up) but now we have him again, with a bunch of credential- less folks

(is sort of what I mean)

And I dont know what this HAARP deal is all about either I'll have to put that on my list of things to check out when I have the time (and curiosity)

Gotta make dinner

For the record, I watched most of her video (Kristen), but simply couldn't listen to her any more at some point. I think she comes off a little unstable, and don't think her talk was convincing at all.

I posted David Keith with the We Are Change group because I wanted people who are interested to listen to him talk very openly with that group, taking on questions about multiple conspiracy beliefs that they are committed to. If you watched it all, you'll note that he has been threatened multiple times, with one death threat being credible enough for the authorities to investigate. I think intense belief in conspiracy theories can become a dangerous thing, such as his instance of being threatened, along with the Sandy Hook Truthers who have harassed family members who lost loved ones.

I thought he was very polite, as much as possible, when dealing with their many misunderstandings about chemtrails, HAARP, and how science works in general.


Btodd

 

[Fireinfolding]

For the record, I watched most of her video (Kristen), but simply couldn't listen to her any more at some point. I think she comes off a little unstable, and don't think her talk was convincing at all.

I posted David Keith with the We Are Change group because I wanted people who are interested to listen to him talk very openly with that group, taking on questions about multiple conspiracy beliefs that they are committed to. If you watched it all, you'll note that he has been threatened multiple times, with one death threat being credible enough for the authorities to investigate. I think intense belief in conspiracy theories can become a dangerous thing, such as his instance of being threatened, along with the Sandy Hook Truthers who have harassed family members who lost loved ones.

I thought he was very polite, as much as possible, when dealing with their many misunderstandings about chemtrails, HAARP, and how science works in general.


Btodd

That is a common theme that quite a few qualified firsthand witnesses seem to be disregarded in these things (not so much for education, training, credentials, or their eyewitness testimonies) but on the basis that they are unstable (in some way).

I didnt watch this David's video set for answering whoever these we are change people are yet.Whoever they might be and how they might behave (before, during and after) he answers their particular line of questioning cant make them any more relevant to me

Regardless of who they are I suppose its a good thing to care about what the truth might be (aside from whatever their behavior is).

Maybe I will check them out when I have more time to sift through things

 

[DaisyDay]

Please look at the rules stickied in this forum.

Please do not ridicule people's opinions on matters that are widely questioned.

Wait, this:

is not ridicule?

 

[Edial]

Wait, this:

is not ridicule?

In a way you are correct.
However I also asked not to ridicule on the matters that are widely questioned.
I believe I also stated that some threads are just wacko so it would be up to staff to close them as needed.
For example, one guy opened thread he is getting messages from angel Gabriel the exact date when the rapture would take place.
So I closed the thread (no violations or anything like that).
So far it seems to work OK.

 

[The Cadet]

I believe I also stated that some threads are just wacko so it would be up to staff to close them as needed.

...Well what's this one doing open? Not to put too fine a point on it, but chemtrail beliefs are freakin' wacko. It's a conspiracy with no apparent purpose, no evidence, and which makes absolutely no sense from front to back.

 

[pgp_protector]

In a way you are correct.
However I also asked not to ridicule on the matters that are widely questioned.
I believe I also stated that some threads are just wacko so it would be up to staff to close them as needed.
For example, one guy opened thread he is getting messages from angel Gabriel the exact date when the rapture would take place.
So I closed the thread (no violations or anything like that).
So far it seems to work OK.

Widely questioned by whom?

Them

or
Them

 

[Rick Otto]

I think the link answers itself, ballast barrels, used to simulate passengers.

The website rationalwiki gives a good piece on this. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chemtrails

Rational wiki is not a good source for this.
It is frequently not rational.

 

[Rick Otto]

http://yournewswire.com/black-chemtrails-being-reported-across-the-world/

 

[Rick Otto]

http://globalskywatch.com/celebrities/#.VyWcl2BOkv4

 

[pgp_protector]

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-planes-leave-black-con-trails

 

[Rick Otto]

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-planes-leave-black-con-trails

Wow. Some people will believe the most superficial lie as long as it maintains their comfort zone.
Chemtrails are not "persistent contrails" - the official lying term for them. Contrails are only condensation (H2o) and dissipate within seconds. Chemtrails have lots of ingredients and persist for hours.
It is extremely laughable that shadow is the explanation, when there is only sunlight and water vapor.
I can't believe you swallow that camel so easily.

 

[The Cadet]

Contrails are only condensation (H2o) and dissipate within seconds.

Not according to, oh, y'know, all of the available science.