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<- been in aviation for 15 years. Contrails last longer depending on the heat and humidity in the air. Remember that clouds can stick around for days too. Con trails are just clouds... made of air condensed by a jet engine flying through it.

And the canoe looking things under wings do not hold chemicals. They're to make the mechanism that moves flight control surfaces more aerodynamic. They're a fairing. There are drain holes in them so they can't hold chemicals (like water).
 
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<- been in aviation for 15 years. Contrails last longer depending on the heat and humidity in the air. Remember that clouds can stick around for days too. Con trails are just clouds... made of air condensed by a jet engine flying through it.

And the canoe looking things under wings do not hold chemicals. They're to make the mechanism that moves flight control surfaces more aerodynamic. They're a fairing. There are drain holes in them so they can't hold chemicals (like water).
Sounds like you're in on it ;)
 
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Here is the testimony of an airforce sergeant (she is a whistleblower)

But she is an industrial hygenist and enviromental specialist,
this is pretty interesting (short)


She's in other videos (which are much longer then this one).

Maybe its not fairy dust?
 
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Here's a very good site that explains contrails and the mistaken claims people make about them being chemtrails.

http://contrailscience.com/


Btodd

That is one of the two sites she warns people about in her video (ironically)
She states it is one of the two run by a government shill named Mick West (who is a computer gaming programmer) not qualified as she is to say anything.

She tells you about it at 8:00 in

Goes into the disinformation sites and trolls (who abound) and what they do, its interesting
 
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Here is the testimony of an airforce sergeant (she is a whistleblower)

But she is an industrial hygenist and enviromental specialist,
this is pretty interesting (short)


She's in other videos (which are much longer then this one).

Maybe its not fairy dust?

She names two disinformation sites owned by Mick West

These two

MetaBunk.org

Contrailscience.com
 
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Oh, I forgot. Anything that uses science to clear up the delusions about chemtrails is disinformation put out by 'shills'. That way believers don't have to deal with the facts, they can just stick their fingers in their ears.




Btodd

The former sergeant (an Airforce sergeant) who is a qualified industrial hygenist and enviroment specialist (along with other various testimonies) would probably be considered delusional without evidence to some. But I am not qualified to make that kind of determination of her or this other computer gamer guy (with his webites).

I dont think she was debating him or you when she called him a shill though, and I dont see where she even began to lose to this computer programmer guy.

I had to look up "shill" actually

A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization.

That person would have to be pretty darn helpful to one side against all other sides (and consistently so) against anyone qualified to be suspect of such a thing.

They would become manifest overtime I think, I find that same sort of principal true (in respects to the wheat and the tares) in the church as well. You leave them alone and they manifest all by themselves.
 
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The point is that instead of actually discussing the science behind contrails, and trying to prove that chemtrails exist, she wants you to avoid any information he puts out, because she says he's a 'shill'. This is a very common practice in the world of conspiracy theories. Support GMOs? You're just a Shill for Big Agriculture. Support vaccines? Shill for Big Pharma.

I've been accused of being a government shill for simply countering false claims about 9/11 that Truthers have made. I'm still waiting on my government check, though.

Shills, shills, everywhere. Don't listen to anyone who disagrees with me, they're all shills! :)

Btodd
 
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I think she is just warning folks who dont know the feild to beware of folks who dont know what they are talking about, like folks who arent qualified to say (either way) but who might pretend they are (as she is obviously qualified).

I would refer to her (it just makes sense to)

Although I believe she would also be better qualified to determine an intelligent debunk on these matters she speaks of her own personal millitary training, and experience in this area (whose job was to keep humans safe) in relation to the same, and all the rest of it on other videos as well.

I dont know how anyone can disagree with her own expertise in her own personal experience,

And she only named one person as a shill (with his two sites)

Thats not an everyone thing (as you are trying to make it).
 
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Oh, I forgot. Anything that uses science to clear up the delusions about chemtrails is disinformation put out by 'shills'. That way believers don't have to deal with the facts, they can just stick their fingers in their ears.




Btodd

What are shills?
 
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I think she is just warning folks who dont know the feild to beware of folks who dont know what they are talking about, like folks who arent qualified to say (either way) but who might pretend they are (as she is obviously qualified).

I would refer to her (it just makes sense to)

Although I believe she would also be better qualified to determine an intelligent debunk on these matters she speaks of her own personal millitary training, and experience in this area (whose job was to keep humans safe) in relation to the same, and all the rest of it on other videos as well.

I dont know how anyone can disagree with her own expertise in her own personal experience,

And she only named one person as a shill (with his two sites)

Thats not an everyone thing (as you are trying to make it).


I listened to her for a little while, and wasn't convinced in the slightest at what she was saying. Frankly, she comes off as a little unstable and overly emotional. If someone wants to convince us of chemtrails, they have to do so with some sort of scientific analysis that truly separates it from contrails. So far, all I see are people looking at contrails and concluding that they're something more sinister.

And the whole thing has no point. Why on Earth would the government want to poison its own population? They want to eliminate taxpayers? Even if it did, why use such an ineffective method as releasing a substance at 35,000 feet and hoping it will not dissipate by the time it reaches us? Furthermore, how are all these people escaping the supposed poison themselves? It's not as if Obama is giving speeches while wearing a gas mask, so...it really makes no sense. They would be destroying themselves, too.

The 'shill gambit', as it's known, is something I've run into time after time from conspiracy theorists. Not all of them do it, but a great number of them do. They're so convinced a conspiracy is going on, and their minds are so consumed with the idea, that when you simply disagree with them, they immediately assume you must be part of the conspiracy, too. People like that cannot be reasoned with.

I'm certainly not accusing you of having done it, because you haven't. :)

Btodd
 
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What are shills?

It's a derogatory term used to accuse a person who disagrees with you as being some sort of paid liar by whomever they're defending.

You see it all the time in the GMO / Organic debate. Bill Nye came out in favor of GMOs, and was immediately accused of having been paid off by Monsanto and operating as a shill for their corporation. I've been accused of being a government shill on these forums multiple times, simply for defending the official story of 9/11. It's funny and sad at the same time.

People do it partly because they're really that paranoid that they think anyone who disagrees with them is part of the conspiracy, but it also serves to shut down opposing arguments. "Don't listen to him, he's just a shill."

That's what this lady was doing. Don't argue the science, the facts, or any of that. He's just a shill.

Btodd
 
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It's a derogatory term used to accuse a person who disagrees with you as being some sort of paid liar by whomever they're defending.

You see it all the time in the GMO / Organic debate. Bill Nye came out in favor of GMOs, and was immediately accused of having been paid off by Monsanto and operating as a shill for their corporation. I've been accused of being a government shill on these forums multiple times, simply for defending the official story of 9/11. It's funny and sad at the same time.

People do it partly because they're really that paranoid that they think anyone who disagrees with them is part of the conspiracy, but it also serves to shut down opposing arguments. "Don't listen to him, he's just a shill."

That's what this lady was doing. Don't argue the science, the facts, or any of that. He's just a shill.

Btodd

Thank you kindly for your response.
 
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I listened to her for a little while, and wasn't convinced in the slightest at what she was saying. Frankly, she comes off as a little unstable and overly emotional. If someone wants to convince us of chemtrails, they have to do so with some sort of scientific analysis that truly separates it from contrails. So far, all I see are people looking at contrails and concluding that they're something more sinister.

And the whole thing has no point. Why on Earth would the government want to poison its own population? They want to eliminate taxpayers? Even if it did, why use such an ineffective method as releasing a substance at 35,000 feet and hoping it will not dissipate by the time it reaches us? Furthermore, how are all these people escaping the supposed poison themselves? It's not as if Obama is giving speeches while wearing a gas mask, so...it really makes no sense. They would be destroying themselves, too.

The 'shill gambit', as it's known, is something I've run into time after time from conspiracy theorists. Not all of them do it, but a great number of them do. They're so convinced a conspiracy is going on, and their minds are so consumed with the idea, that when you simply disagree with them, they immediately assume you must be part of the conspiracy, too. People like that cannot be reasoned with.

I'm certainly not accusing you of having done it, because you haven't. :)

Btodd

Well, I will be honest with you I have referred to someone as a troll if they behave as one (there are certain characteristics of a troll) and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out if someone is after a few passes. A shill might just take some extra time to figure out (and sometimes its good when "the" rocket scientist say it themselves) to give us (who arent) a heads up, so I would appreciated it from her. She might have good reason, I saw disinformation spread on someone else (see down further) using that site when it wasnt true.

I am just dropping off something for the OP to look at because there is plenty to search through (testimonies and the like) quite a few found on youtube (containing links below the video) as well as documentation in the video itself. From this one millitary industrial hygenist, there are also meteorologists, biologists, scientists, doctors, in the one video I had watched it was a nuerologist and I havent even scratched the surface of what is out there to watch (before deciding)

I would encourage folks to search it out and hear the witnesses for themselves.

I would just gather from enough folks with a tad bit of credibility (having credentials) and give their testimony a listen first. But keeping in mind the enviroment will naturally be hostile towards them (as it seems to be) and just not to be dissuaded by the same. I will typically tune into when thats occurring, because for me its like a beacon which entices me to look more closely for some odd reason. Thats sort of how I tick.

I am still researching some of these things and I prefer a lot of different people bringing to the table something to consider. And I often prefer to make sense out of what appears unthinkable (and to have a logical reason for it). So I can understand the need for the puzzle pieces to fit together (I just love puzzles myself) even as I do the scriptural ones.

I think its good to analyze things from various number of witnesses at their various levels of understanding (and perspectives) and in the way they might communicate it. I suppose when you do that in any particular set of circumstances) you will naturally begin to form a theory (and more especially when you have a backdrop of other information while they might be trying to piece together other things that might seem nuts. Theories will come, and police hypothesis (or theorize) according to the evidence. Its can be an important process in the way of working something out until all the pieces fall into place (and satisfy their questions). Sometimes even they get the wrong guys and some times they get the right guys, the longer its investigated the clearer a picture might become.

I think where there is harm (or just the potential for harm) while making people sit in the dark on a thing probably isnt a good idea for making it go away. Who doesnt run with unanswered questions in their own minds from time to time (on far less important matters)? And where two or more people are involved (in that sort of thing) I believe it would be rightly called a "conspiracy theory".

A conspiracy theory is an explanatory hypothesis that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an event or situation which is typically taken to be illegal or harmful.

That makes sense, and folks will do evil things under the cover of darkness. I suppose 19 men (alone) conspired on 9-11 which would make that (to some) a conspiracy "fact"? Not theory, but Im not sure, some might think that itself is just a conspiracy "theory" on the one sides part because the other part might believe (for whatever reason they do) that more were involved than that. So I think it depends on who you ask . Because Im guessing folks believed there were some more involved (whether on our side of things or the others) and for whatever reasons (or evidences) that might cause them to believe that. Im sure that all varries also person to person.

Thats sort off topic a bit but I sure dont demonize people who may doubt an official story on any thing, and ask too many questions. But I wouldnt look to anyone who seems to go out of their way to make others look like fools for every question either. There is just something dishonest in that (at least to me).

And for the thread (back on topic) but more in the discussion aspect of it (as that is how far I got)

Here are various breif snippets from the following


Then theres this Rosalind Peterson.Geoengineering agricultural defense


In the body of the communications (in the above video) you can see someone referring to (even posted a link to that metabunk site) telling everyone there that Rosalind Peterson had changed her mind (in respects to these Chemtrails). The person whose channel it is comes back in catches it corrects that. And as anyone can tell by the dates and further searching on Rosalind Peterson that just wasnt true, she still does. So it does appear like folks who dont know what they are talking about and dont double check things out as throughly as they should are given out sites to information given false information. So its good to double check because by the second video watched that sort of proved what the airforce whistleblower (Kirsten) had said concerning disinformation (and this time on another person, and this time on Rosalind) who is speaking on the same thing (and more then qualified to do so)

And then heres another for the OP


Theres also another 7 part video series I saw with her but I heard enough for now.

I had glanced at a few titles but they seemed more sensational in nature. And maybe its just the video "titles" themselves but that sort of puts me off when folks do that (although I understand, they want to get peoples attention).

Im tired, I can only take so much science^_^
 
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There is clearly something going on that cannot be ignored. The evidence is overwhelming. Just read articles by scientists like David Keith (another govt. mouthpiece) investigate the climate engineering patents, etc. I know people don't want their sense of reality shaken but you must never forget, we live in a world ruled by Satan himself. These links are pretty tough to refute.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=B788DBEEDEB62D5EC032B788DBEEDEB62D5EC032


http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/links-to-geoengineering-patents/
 
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Oh, I forgot. Anything that uses science to clear up the delusions about chemtrails is disinformation put out by 'shills'. That way believers don't have to deal with the facts, they can just stick their fingers in their ears.




Btodd
How do I get paid for shilling? Do I have to file a 1099-MISC?
 
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I've been accused of being a government shill on these forums multiple times, simply for defending the official story of 9/11.
Same. I've also been accused of being an Illuminati shill, which would be a pretty bad deal for me since the Illuminati doesn't even exist.

It would be pretty awesome if all these people I was shilling for would pay off my student loans.
 
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There are shills, its not like they will come out and admit that, its just good to be aware of the same


I dont know where this quote originates from, trying to find it

cia-disinformation-william-casey-quote.jpg


We should start a thread on fake news and lies, these are really good showing how its been going on for awhile

 
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