Check in thread (6)

[AbidingInHim]

Hi all.

 

[free4all]

Jill, still praying for your Dad. Any change in his condition?

Annette, looking forward to your news from camp... after you're rested, of course.

Kay, any updates?

AIH, you sound sooooo busy. You probably don't have to fit in any exercise time because you're so busy.

Cory's visiting family now I guess... Erica's getting ready to travel... The rest of y'all have been quiet.

Any of you in England affected by the floods or power outages?

I think Wayne should apply to be a mod.

Thanks for the thought. I wouldn't mind being a moderator in UY only, but I don't think that's how it works. I think mods are assigned broad areas and expected to contribute to more than one subforum. I'm really not interested in mod duties in other forums. After all, UY is the only important forum there is, isn't it? And from what Pete indicates, it can be very time-consuming.

I'm working a lot, but I expect that will taper off soon. School startes in a little over two weeks. The leader of our small group at church moved, and I'm not sure if the group will continue. We only attended a couple meetings, but it was a good opportunity to meet other couples. Well, it's about time to wake the girls and get ready for church.

 

[Jenniewren]

Hi everyone
Cory, praying for you and the family reunion.
Praying for Jill and everyone else.
Wayne, I think you would make a good moderator.
Erica, good to have you back.

Thinking about the appearance issue I was talking about last week isn't it horrible how the world judges by appearance? We are all God's children and yet we often stereotype before we get to know people. It is good to know God looks at the heart

 

[Pepperoni]

Thinking about the appearance issue I was talking about last week isn't it horrible how the world judges by appearance? We are all God's children and yet we often stereotype before we get to know people. It is good to know God looks at the heart

We already had this discussion several weeks ago, in Check-in Thread 5. I made many of the same points that have been made here, and got zero backup. At the time I assumed that was because:
1) I was doing a pretty good job defending my position on my own, or
2) No one supported my opinion.

I decided, at that time, on the second option. Imagine my surprise just now, to log in and find some consensus after all.

Going back to what brought that up this time--in reality, it's more of a gender issue than an appearance issue. It was more of a frustration that females are generally not allowed to have an opinion on matters such as U.S. foreign policy, national security, congressional issues, firearms . . . and the like.

I've posted about this on discussion boards, including the ones in the debate section here at UY. When I first started posting here at CF, I did not have a character or a gender icon, or a picture. Not one person ever assumed me to be female, until I revealed it. Similarly, I post sporadically on a community message board, which doesn't have icons detailing gender, etc. Again, no one has ever assumed me to be female. Even after all this time, they still don't. In fact, I am routinely told such things as, "go refill your Viagra." It probably hasn't helped that I recently expressed a desire to volunteer to go over to Afghanistan to find that sub-human scum Osama bin Laden myself (because everyone knows that a woman,and a mother to boot, would never support something like that. They would certainly never volunteer for the military. But don't tell that to all our brave women serving in that cesspool known as Iraq). If the U.S. government wants to take me up on my offer, I simply request they give me a weapon and point me in the right direction. I'll personally find bin Laden's sorry . . . self.

I'm not necessarily annoyed by this, the fact that women can't have opinions about "man" things. In fact, I think it's rather amusing that people assume a female can't have an intelligent opinion on the evils of the ACLU, for example.

It's Wayne's fault. When he said, "feel free to weigh in on the firearms issue as long as you change your gender icon . . . " well . . . that got a major eye-roll out of me. But it's not his fault. He's just the messenger reporting the facts, and I'm not going to shoot the messenger . . . particularly when he's armed.

Conclusion: most women aren't a freak of nature like I am.

Carry on.

 

[Jenniewren]

We already had this discussion several weeks ago, in Check-in Thread 5. I made many of the same points that have been made here, and got zero backup. At the time I assumed that was because:
1) I was doing a pretty good job defending my position on my own, or
2) No one supported my opinion.

I decided, at that time, on the second option. Imagine my surprise just now, to log in and find some consensus after all.

Going back to what brought that up this time--in reality, it's more of a gender issue than an appearance issue. It was more of a frustration that females are generally not allowed to have an opinion on matters such as U.S. foreign policy, national security, congressional issues, firearms . . . and the like.

I've posted about this on discussion boards, including the ones in the debate section here at UY. When I first started posting here at CF, I did not have a character or a gender icon, or a picture. Not one person ever assumed me to be female, until I revealed it. Similarly, I post sporadically on a community message board, which doesn't have icons detailing gender, etc. Again, no one has ever assumed me to be female. Even after all this time, they still don't. In fact, I am routinely told such things as, "go refill your Viagra." It probably hasn't helped that I recently expressed a desire to volunteer to go over to Afghanistan to find that sub-human scum Osama bin Laden myself (because everyone knows that a woman,and a mother to boot, would never support something like that. They would certainly never volunteer for the military. But don't tell that to all our brave women serving in that cesspool known as Iraq). If the U.S. government wants to take me up on my offer, I simply request they give me a weapon and point me in the right direction. I'll personally find bin Laden's sorry . . . self.

I'm not necessarily annoyed by this, the fact that women can't have opinions about "man" things. In fact, I think it's rather amusing that people assume a female can't have an intelligent opinion on the evils of the ACLU, for example.

It's Wayne's fault. When he said, "feel free to weigh in on the firearms issue as long as you change your gender icon . . . " well . . . that got a major eye-roll out of me. But it's not his fault. He's just the messenger reporting the facts, and I'm not going to shoot the messenger . . . particularly when he's armed.

Conclusion: most women aren't a freak of nature like I am.

Carry on.

I defend your position on both counts. People should not be judged by appearance or gender and women would not have been given a brain by God if they were not supposed to use it.

You are not a freak at all. I often think I would be awful as a peace maker. When I see someone trying to get the Jews and Arabs or whoever is fighting to come to some sort of agreement I know I would be hopless at the job. I would probably be strongly tempted to take a few swipes at both sides with the wooden spoon and send them to their rooms for an hour. See what a sweet pacifist I am! OK, I admit things have to be really bad before the wooden spoon comes out and banging it on the kitchen bench usually is scary enough to stop the hostilities between my children. I have lost count of how many I have broken doing that over the years. It works to disipline pets as well.
I am reminded of a quote from a famous woman concerning this issue, nut if I printed it I would probably be banned for life.
So I'll just say
YOU GO GIRL!!!

 

[cory533]

We already had this discussion several weeks ago, in Check-in Thread 5. I made many of the same points that have been made here, and got zero backup. At the time I assumed that was because:
1) I was doing a pretty good job defending my position on my own, or
2) No one supported my opinion.

I decided, at that time, on the second option. Imagine my surprise just now, to log in and find some consensus after all.

Going back to what brought that up this time--in reality, it's more of a gender issue than an appearance issue. It was more of a frustration that females are generally not allowed to have an opinion on matters such as U.S. foreign policy, national security, congressional issues, firearms . . . and the like.

I've posted about this on discussion boards, including the ones in the debate section here at UY. When I first started posting here at CF, I did not have a character or a gender icon, or a picture. Not one person ever assumed me to be female, until I revealed it. Similarly, I post sporadically on a community message board, which doesn't have icons detailing gender, etc. Again, no one has ever assumed me to be female. Even after all this time, they still don't. In fact, I am routinely told such things as, "go refill your Viagra." It probably hasn't helped that I recently expressed a desire to volunteer to go over to Afghanistan to find that sub-human scum Osama bin Laden myself (because everyone knows that a woman,and a mother to boot, would never support something like that. They would certainly never volunteer for the military. But don't tell that to all our brave women serving in that cesspool known as Iraq). If the U.S. government wants to take me up on my offer, I simply request they give me a weapon and point me in the right direction. I'll personally find bin Laden's sorry . . . self.

I'm not necessarily annoyed by this, the fact that women can't have opinions about "man" things. In fact, I think it's rather amusing that people assume a female can't have an intelligent opinion on the evils of the ACLU, for example.

well duh! of course you were right before and on target now. I didn't comment 'cause you don't need help defending your position.
Of course I have caught myself prejudging when I know better and try to avoid it. of course it wouldn't hurt if some of the paris Hilton types quit playing stupid it's not cute and it lowers everyones view of female intellect. That and if we could only get some of the really stupid and/or crazy celebrity women to shut up.

 

[rainbowpromises]

Conclusion: most women aren't a freak of nature like I am.

You think you are a freak of nature! I have excess testosterone myself. I sang tenor in our church cantata and I have more chin hairs than some men I know.

Still don't like guns and don't want to discuss politics.

 

[pete56]

Help!!!

People I am struggling BIG TIME right now with the CF reforms. I know this is not the forum for that discussion, but you folks are my longest standing friends on this site and I need to get strength from somewhere right now.

You will all have heard that we are to be more inclusive and allow Non Christians to access all parts of the site. This clearly includes the possibility of NCs joining Staff (indeed Erwin even suggested that this may happen).

Well it has now happened in the Ministry team!!

We have a Non Christian Mod.

I do not know this person personally and I did not get a chance to vote on the application as I was not aware that it was being processed. How ever I am now in the invidious situation of being asked to act as a SuperMod on a team where the Staff do not all share my faith.

It is a definite case of being Unequally Yoked to an Unbeliever!

How do I deal with this folks?

All advice welcome.

PP

 

[free4all]

Pep,

When I read this

It's Wayne's fault.

I busted out laughing. Then as I read more, I thought perhaps you were serious. So just in case you were serious, let me explain. I said “…here’s a thread if anyone wants to argue. Of course, you ladies will need to create another account as a male to do it…” I said that tongue-in-cheek because the thread is in the Male Forum, where females cannot post, just as males cannot post in the Women’s Forum. (I say “tongue-in-cheek” because it’s probably against the rules to impersonate another gender, and I shouldn’t advocate something that is against the rules.) If you thought I meant that ladies are not allowed to have an opinion on that or any subject, you badly misinterpreted my post.

It was more of a frustration that females are generally not allowed to have an opinion on matters such as U.S. foreign policy, national security, congressional issues, firearms . . . and the like.

Says who? Those on the community message board you frequent? Pagans and sinners living by the world’s standards, maybe, but not in the Christian community as I know it, and certainly not here in UY. Maybe you should take your wrath out on those in the community message board. Oh, you probably do. Good. They probably deserve it.

I'm not necessarily annoyed by this

Liar.

I simply request they give me a weapon and point me in the right direction.

I’ve got enough for both of us… do you have a good map?

the evils of the ACLU

What’s wrong with the Anti-Christian League of the Uninformed?

I'm not going to shoot the messenger . . . particularly when he's armed.

So if I’m unarmed I’m in danger? Well, I guess I’m safe then except when I’m in the shower or in bed… Hey, I saw a water-tight holster the other day online for $26… oops, wrong thread to mention it in…

Conclusion: most women aren't a freak of nature like I am.

Then we need more freaks. Seriously.

 

[free4all]

Help!!!

People I am struggling BIG TIME right now with the CF reforms. I know this is not the forum for that discussion, but you folks are my longest standing friends on this site and I need to get strength from somewhere right now.

You will all have heard that we are to be more inclusive and allow Non Christians to access all parts of the site. This clearly includes the possibility of NCs joining Staff (indeed Erwin even suggested that this may happen).

Well it has now happened in the Ministry team!!

We have a Non Christian Mod.

I do not know this person personally and I did not get a chance to vote on the application as I was not aware that it was being processed. How ever I am now in the invidious situation of being asked to act as a SuperMod on a team where the Staff do not all share my faith.

It is a definite case of being Unequally Yoked to an Unbeliever!

How do I deal with this folks?

All advice welcome.

PP

Pete,

My first impression was to spend time in prayer and then decide if it is worth the effort to stay, or if you would have more peace if you walked away from it all.

My next impression was that this could be an opportunity to witness to the person, and that perhaps you can try to get to know them before you make any such decision.

It's better to have a Christian as a SuperMod than a non-Christian. If there are issues that need resolving, better you in charge than a non-Christian. Would you consider giving it a try before hanging it all up?

What do you have peace about now?

 

[pete56]

I had the same thoughts as you, and indeed my friend and Admin said it should be seen as an opportunity, and I said Id try.

But as I prayed it through I kept getting the feeling that to be a minister you have to have the faith of those to whom you minister and minister with.

So as I do not feel called to leave Staff, my dilemma is what do I do?

I don't feel able to work with her and I can not allow her election to go unchallenged as in my opinion it is unbiblical and outside of any Christian model that I know.

As for peace - well I have none right now!

 

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[rainbowpromises]

Pete

I have a different take on it. If it were any other forum than Ministry I would agree with what has been said so far, but it is Ministry.

Ephesians 5:10-11
Finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

This applies to the one unbeliever on the ministry team. However being a super mod has another set of issues. I would rather witness to nonbelievers any day than to those who see theirs as the "true" religion. I know that does not rear it's ugly head here very often but that is because we are here of one accord and that is being UY.

It is still your decision, just some food for thought.

Annette

 

[Pepperoni]

Maybe you should take your wrath out on those in the community message board.

Point taken. I won't discuss that here anymore. I realize it belongs in the debate forums. Guess I forgot where I was. I do get carried away sometimes. I apologize.

(No Wayne, it was not your fault. I wouldn't say I was kidding exactly, but it was just a general frustration and not aimed at anyone here. I apologize again. I meant what I said but it probably shouldn't have been said here.)

I’ve got enough for both of us… do you have a good map?

No, I'm directionally challenged.

What’s wrong with the Anti-Christian League of the Uninformed?

That's a good one. I might use that in the debate forums sometime if you don't mind.

. . . Fast forward two years later and she's making funeral plans for her husband who's life ended suddenly and tragically.

If she wears her ring people (strangers, running into old friends) comment or inquire about her husband, and if she doesn't wear her ring people assume she's an unwed mother with some bold enough to ask if the father is "involved".

Shoot, us married women get that. Well, I do anyway. More people assume I am unmarried than married. Not an exaggeration. And the ones that I tell I am married often don't believe me. You know, kindof like the fictitious boyfriend everyone hears about but never sees . . .

When people ask if the father is involved, I usually lie and say yes.


Pete, I don't know what to tell you about your situation. I suppose it depends on what area this person is moderating.

I confess I don't really understand the purpose of a mod. I used to. But I don't now. I'm not clear on what their job is.

Annette--your comment was funny.

 

[rainbowpromises]

Regarding stereotyping, I think we all do it whether we admit to it or not. I think there are many of us who do it with no malicious intentions though. A prime example is a good friend of mine a handful of years younger than I am. She married her boyfriend, went to Jamaica for their honeymoon and returned with the best souvenier possible! Fast forward two years later and she's making funeral plans for her husband who's life ended suddenly and tragically.

If she wears her ring people (strangers, running into old friends) comment or inquire about her husband, and if she doesn't wear her ring people assume she's an unwed mother with some bold enough to ask if the father is "involved".

I quit wearing my ring at about my third pregnancy. Only once did I get a comment from a stranger. That was back when I was walking around town with five small children.

To those of you who think I was making a joke about the testosterone, I was serious. My doctor likes to counteract it with female hormones but I don't like myself on estrogen. Too weepy!
My testosterone levels help me to work on the farm and deal with emotional upheaval.

 

[AbidingInHim]

 

[Redheadedstepchild]

Hi all-

I totally forgot to look for the new thread after the other one hit 1000. D'oh! And another 4 pages have flown by...
Gonna go catch up.

 

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