Cheap Grace

[Lulav]

dear sis, i have been beat up for the gospel, so never presume that i don't have scars to prove it. The frog can boast in his works, but does not,

Gal 6:17 From now on let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.

Are you kidding?? You boast in your works on the forums all the time!

And are you saying you have stigmata?

 

[Lulav]

Who is trying to get around scriptures?

The scriptures teach....
Jhn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Ahh, just the kind of post I was looking for, thank you. And so you understand this to mean that grace was not in existence before?

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the L-RD Genesis 6

Abraham found grace too
And said, My Lord, if now I have found grace in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: Genesis 18

Lot found grace
18 And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord: 19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life Genesis 19

Joseph was given grace in the sight of his jailer by G-d

21 But the L-RD was with Joseph, and shewed him mercy, and gave him grace in the sight of the keeper of the prison

G-d did the same for the whole nation of Israel regarding the Egyptians

21 And I will give this people grace in the sight of the Egyptians: and it shall come to pass, that, when ye go, ye shall not go empty

Moses was given grace

12 And Moses said unto the L-RD, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight. Ex 33

Shall I go on? There's more.

You're the one trying to contradict and manipulate what scriptures say about grace and appearing to say that law is given by Jesus Christ.
You're using word games to claim that "keep my commandments" means keep the law given to Moses.
Christians are commanded to live be obedient and righteous lives. The law package is not the covenant we're under.

If you believe that Jesus is G-d and G-d gave to Moses the commandments, how do you justify saying that the law and Jesus are separate? Do you think Jesus came to give a whole new set of commandments?

How are righteous if not obedient to G-ds laws? Jesus was, and we are to follow him.

 

[ServantOfOurLord]

The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live righteously, soberly and godly in this world. Titus 2

It is God's grace that is trying to teach us how to live in a way that is pleasing to him. That grace is a gift and offered to all. If we accept that grace that means our will is in line with the Father's will.

 

[ServantOfOurLord]

And, to add to what I just said, Jesus was grace in the flesh - a living example of how we are to be.

 

[bugkiller]

Ahh, just the kind of post I was looking for, thank you. And so you understand this to mean that grace was not in existence before?

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the L-RD Genesis 6

Abraham found grace too
And said, My Lord, if now I have found grace in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: Genesis 18

Lot found grace
18 And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord: 19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life Genesis 19

Joseph was given grace in the sight of his jailer by G-d

21 But the L-RD was with Joseph, and shewed him mercy, and gave him grace in the sight of the keeper of the prison

G-d did the same for the whole nation of Israel regarding the Egyptians

21 And I will give this people grace in the sight of the Egyptians: and it shall come to pass, that, when ye go, ye shall not go empty

Moses was given grace

12 And Moses said unto the L-RD, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight. Ex 33

Shall I go on? There's more.




If you believe that Jesus is G-d and G-d gave to Moses the commandments, how do you justify saying that the law and Jesus are separate? Do you think Jesus came to give a whole new set of commandments?

How are righteous if not obedient to G-ds laws? Jesus was, and we are to follow him.

Is John 1:17 a lie? It doesn't race never existed. Simple I don't deny the trinity on your closing statement.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

You are telling God how to define his grace. That takes chutspah.

You can quote all the verses about initial justification you want. It doesn't make the verses about our ongoing walk disappear.

are you going to show us these so called 'cheap grace" posts here on the forum, are are you going to argue from absence and abstract?

 

[Frogster]

You're being a false witness against the Frog. I know what he understand on about Eph2:10. He can distinguish that Paul is talking about grace in these words.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Then after grace is received we can submit to being His workmanship.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Thanks bro, and amen!

 

[Frogster]

Ahh, just the kind of post I was looking for, thank you. And so you understand this to mean that grace was not in existence before?

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the L-RD Genesis 6

Abraham found grace too
And said, My Lord, if now I have found grace in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: Genesis 18

Lot found grace
18 And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord: 19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life Genesis 19

Joseph was given grace in the sight of his jailer by G-d

21 But the L-RD was with Joseph, and shewed him mercy, and gave him grace in the sight of the keeper of the prison

G-d did the same for the whole nation of Israel regarding the Egyptians

21 And I will give this people grace in the sight of the Egyptians: and it shall come to pass, that, when ye go, ye shall not go empty

Moses was given grace

12 And Moses said unto the L-RD, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight. Ex 33

Shall I go on? There's more.




If you believe that Jesus is G-d and G-d gave to Moses the commandments, how do you justify saying that the law and Jesus are separate? Do you think Jesus came to give a whole new set of commandments?

How are righteous if not obedient to G-ds laws? Jesus was, and we are to follow him.

you are confusing acts of grace, that God always did, to the church under New cov grace, that grace did not come until after the cross.


Rom 5:21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

If they had new cov grace way back on the OT times, why did the prophets search for grace? Why look for something one has? lol!


1 Peter 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, 11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.

hehehehe..luv ya sis! You need to know there was a time, when the grace was hidden, i got text if you want me to prove it, frog.

 

[Frogster]

Are you kidding?? You boast in your works on the forums all the time!

And are you saying you have stigmata?

was Paul saying he had a stigmata?

 

[Frogster]

For Jews, it means keeping Mosaic law. For Gentiles, it means keeping only New Testament law. (Act 15)

no, if God wanted that, he would not have let Titus level the temple. Paul did not go to temple for 17 years!

 

[Meowzltov]

are you going to show us these so called 'cheap grace" posts here on the forum, are are you going to argue from absence and abstract?

Frog, if you don't like the thread, don't post in it. But enough whining.

 

[Frogster]

The way it was explained to me is that we don't earn grace, but we cooperate with grace. I'm sorry to keep repeating myself, but you don't seem to want to accept my answer.

law is not grace.



3: 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”

 

[Meowzltov]

he would not have let Titus level the temple.

HUH?

 

[Frogster]

Frog, if you don't like the thread, don't post in it. But enough whining.

who is whining, i just want to see these ever elusive "cheap grace" posts.

time to show em...

 

[Frogster]

HUH?

sorry, let the all knowing frog spell it out. In 70 AD titus leveled the temple. Jesus said it was coming, Hebrews 4 warns of it, no more Judaism just one church.

There ya go!

 

[Frogster]

That's like saying:

This is the law:
You must provide your own transportation

Here is a free pass to ________

Now how do you use that free pass without keeping the law?

no, James is Back was right, no adding Judaism, no perfecting in the flesh! it is foolish sayeth the Bible!


Gal 3:33 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

 

[Meowzltov]

who is whining, i just want to see these ever elusive "cheap grace" posts.

time to show em...

If you don't stop harassing me, I'm simply going to start ignoring all your posts and you will lose a friend.

 

[Meowzltov]

sorry, let the all knowing frog spell it out. In 70 AD titus leveled the temple. Jesus said it was coming, Hebrews 4 warns of it, no more Judaism just one church.

There ya go!

Oh, THAT titus. MY Bad. I was thinking of Paul's titus.

 

[Frogster]

The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live righteously, soberly and godly in this world. Titus 2

It is God's grace that is trying to teach us how to live in a way that is pleasing to him. That grace is a gift and offered to all. If we accept that grace that means our will is in line with the Father's will.

but what is the teaching? it say teaching in your Titus citation. i would advise you to see what rom 6;17 says, as far as the teaching, it was not law promotion, thanks! frog,

 

[James Is Back]

Romans 3:20-24 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

20 Because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified before him. For by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now without the law the justice of God is made manifest, being witnessed by the law and the prophets.

22 Even the justice of God, by faith of Jesus Christ, unto all and upon all them that believe in him: for there is no distinction:

23 For all have sinned, and do need the glory of God.

24 Being justified freely by his grace, through the redemption, that is in Christ Jesus,