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What does the amount of energy available for work have to do with either evolution or the educational system?
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So, evolution is entropy? So, is our education system and occupations moving towards or away from entropy?
What does the amount of energy available for work have to do with either evolution or the educational system?
Doesn't the ATP molecule convert energy into work?What does the amount of energy available for work have to do with either evolution or the educational system?
Yes, the Messiah Himself used much agrarian imagery.
But, think about this...if He is indeed the Creator...well then, He created the vegetation first and then us...so, yeah,He would know the most fitting way to describe what His Kingdom is like.
Consider this also, the terminology for agriculture, biology, and linguistics are all very similar...why is that? (Linguistic Apologetics)
Just like it says, "Men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit [Holy Breath of God]."
Do you agree that words are extremely powerful?
Where do you think we obtained the capacity to speak?
That is the whole point. "Mere mortals" speak these words from the Creator...how else do you explain their power?
Isn't that the message of the Messiah Himself...that He came down from above to speak and dwell among us...the Word become flesh?
No, this is why the Son said:
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But Messiah did "encapsulate" everything that is necessary for a relationship with the Father.
Though they have crossed in this forum, and not without reason.
Feel free to share your findings!
"Word" as in:
The Hebrew noun דבר (davar, Strong's #1697) is translated as "word." It is derived from the parent root דר (DR), which means "order." The verb form of דבר (davar) is דבר (D.B.R, Strong's #1696) and is commonly found in the Biblical text meaning to "speak," as in the phrase vayidaber YHWH el moshe l'mor (and YHWH spoke to Moses saying). The ancient Hebrew understanding of "speaking," or a "speech," is an ordered arrangement of words.
The noun דבר (davar) is a masculine noun. The feminine form of this word is דברה (devorah) and is the name Deborah, but also means "bee." A bee hive is a colony of insects that live in a perfectly ordered society...
...The verb דבר (D.B.R) may better be translated as "order" as in the phrase "And YHWH gave orders to Moses saying". A commanding officer has formulated his action plans and has determined the best means to have these plans carried out. Once all of this is determined, he gives his "orders" to his troops. These orders are "an ordered arrangement"."
Hebrew Word Definitions - Word
Thank you...and to use a phrase I picked up from the Catholics, "and also with you"!
What does the amount of energy available for work have to do with either evolution or the educational system?
The Messiah's imagery was all over the place...whatever it took to get the message across.
And yet, the fact that He had to use imagery and poetic language at all means that even He couldn't do it justice... human language just isn't up to the task.
Again, I don't care how good a musician you are, you can't play Beethoven on a kazoo and expect it to be as good as a full orchestra.
I'm sorry, was that link supposed to support your assertion?
I think it was evolution via natural selection.
But more interesting than the where is the how... the details of that are (for the moment) something of a mystery... but remember what I said about mysteries?
The same way I'd explain the power of the words of Homer, Ovid, Shakespeare, Twain, Churchill, Kennedy, King, X, etc...
But let us remember that such power can be used for evil as well as good -- how can you explain the power behind the words of Napoleon, Davis, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, McCarthy, bin Laden, and of course, the most infamous huckster of all, Lucifer?*
*After all, Christian tradition says that not only did Lucifer rebel, he took 1/3 of the heavenly host with him... that must've been one heckuva sales pitch... don't you think?
Indeed he did. John 13:34 "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."
Now, getting back to the OP for a moment... is there anything in His instructions that rules out Darwin or evolution?
I think not. The challenge for Theistic Evolutionists
This may be so. There's a reason I like Proverbs 27:17.
Great -- now put the concordances down and tell me what it means.
Examples?
Do what justice? Well, He did say that He spoke according to what people would be able to perceive,
Well, the simple answer is He Speaks and He created us to speak.
Yeah, as the Bible says:
Proverbs 18:21
"21Life and death are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruit. "
Well, you quoted John 13:34. Does "survival of the fittest" involve laying down one's life for his friends?
Good one.
What what means?
Right -- but not just perceive... conceive. If we can't conceive it, we certainly don't have the language to accurately describe it.
Jesus needed to be figurative because you simply can't put the "God" idea into "human" speech without losing a lot in the translation.
And the simple answer to where babies come from is a stork.
Sadly, simplicity is no substitute for accuracy.
Yes. one/a few die so that the rest are saved.
Why do you think so many animals travel in herds?
"Word" of God, of course.
"Word" of God, of course.
What I was getting at way back then was the idea that we should be working towards order, right? But, is that what is actually occurring? Evolution is chaotic...correct? How much of this evolutionary thinking is responsible for the "advances" that are leading to disorder?
Are there any historical writings as old as or older than the Bible that employ this kind of language?
I wouldn't see that as simple at all. That would just be absurd, because any observation of creation will tell you that "kind produces like kind". When I say "simple" I, by no means, mean inaccurate or unsophisticated (though I know the word has developed this connotation).
But would the strongest die for the weakest?
"דבר
The verb דבר (dabar) means to formalize: to deliberately establish and pronounce something's name or definition. This causes the thing to become "real" in the mind of whoever understands this word, name or definition, and this in turn explains why all of creation was spoken into being. This principle sits at the base of nominal reasoning and thus human awareness and ultimately Information Technology.
Noun דבר (dabar) means word. It also means "thing" since the naming of a thing causes the experienced reality of the thing. All thus created "things" together form the whole of experienceable reality, which in turn is called the Word of God.
Noun דבר (deber) describes any deadly pestilence, which is a "word" that breaks unstable compounds apart. In nature this occurs via the Weak Nuclear Force. The ability of unstable compounds to break apart sits at the heart of all progress and thus all reality.
The rare noun דבר (dober), refers to a pasture; probably a well defined fenced-in field upon which sheep graze. Figuratively this word obviously refers to some specific Holy Book from which a community feeds (the books of the Bible originated as separate works, with their separate adherers). Noun דברה (dibra) means matter or issue, and the similar noun דבורה (deborah) describes the bee (this probably because bees make honey, and "milk and honey" denote essential sustenance). The noun דביר (debir) was a nickname for the Holy of Holies and means "place of the word".
The noun מדבר (midbar) literally means "place of wording" and is used once to mean mouth and 270 times to mean wilderness, and because a wilderness is a place without cultivation, any cultivation needs to spring up in a wilderness. And anybody serious about the quest for true insight needs to leave the culture (or religion) of his heritage behind and spend a stint in the uncharted wild. All major players in the Bible did so."
The amazing name Dabar-YHWH: meaning and etymology
This too:
"Our word דבר (dabar) specifically refers to the careful definition of anything that allows that item / situation / feeling to be discussed or even remotely experienced by people that have no intrinsic relation to it. HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament reports that the King James Bible uses more than 110 different English words and expressions to translate this one Hebrew word דבר (dabar).
Theology is not the study of God for the very simple reason that God can not be observed (Exodus 33:20). The word "theology" is as unfortunate a word as "psychology," which is also not the study of the psyche also because the psyche has no properties that can be measured (the human psyche has no size, weight, taste, smell). That means that psychology can only study the effects of whatever the psyche might be, and those are summed up by the behavior of people. That's why psychology is the study of human behavior; the study of what people do (whatever a "person" might be). Theology, likewise, is the study of the behavior of God; the study of what God does (whatever "God" might be). That is why Paul could write that "since the creation of the world his invisible attributes, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made."
Theology is the Study of Everything. Unlike popular myth, the unity of the original singularity was never compromised and the universe is still One. Scientists call this oneness "symmetry" and speak of a Theory Of Everything that would describe the ultimate symmetry of the whole of reality. The ancients called it the Word of YHWH. The only difference is that science believes that the Theory Of Everything is essentially an abstraction, whereas the ancients believed that the Word is a living being. Here at Abarim Publications we respect both positions, but we bet that science and ancients will one day meet in the understanding that while DNA, like the Theory Of Everything, is essentially a bunch of data that allows a bunch of algorithms to execute, it's still the informational foundation of a very living being."
דבר | Abarim Publications Theological Dictionary (Old Testament Hebrew)
tl;dr -- What. Do. YOU. Mean?
He is ever-present and when you meet His Word, you are in His Presence even now. Do you believe? He is waiting for you to say "Yes".
Chizayon (Revelation) 1:8
I am the Aleph א and the Tav ת, the beginning and the ending, says YAHUAH ELOHIYM, who is, and who was, and who is to come, YAHUAH TSEVA’OT.
Chizayon (Revelation) 21:5-6
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said to me: It is done. I am the Aleph א and the Tav ת, the beginning and the end. I will give to those who thirst of the fountainhead of the water of life freely.
Are you asking if any literature older than the Bible ever used figurative language?
"strongest" and "weakest" in what way?
Still no words of your own. Is the question too confusing?
Yes.
Say...the strongest bull in the herd dying for a sickly cow...or calf?
Do you know what the Aleph and the Tav are? The first and last letter of the Alephbet...so when I say His Word, I am speaking of all of that.
*Yeah, try re-asking the question.
Yes. Pretty much everywhere.
"Strongest" in what way?
The alpha and omega, in the more common Greek version of the phrase... so... everything, then?
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