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That's a good question.Does evolution arise out of order or is it out of disorder?
Evolution is like a tree that you keep removing limbs from, thinking you're making the plant better, until you wind up with nothing.
Are there any good ones?That is the worst description of evolution I've ever seen.
That's a good question.
I would say order to disorder.
Evolution is like a tree that you keep removing limbs from, thinking you're making the plant better, until you wind up with nothing.
That's a good question.
I would say order to disorder.
Evolution is like a tree that you keep removing limbs from, thinking you're making the plant better, until you wind up with nothing.
So, evolution is entropy? So, is our education system and occupations moving towards or away from entropy?
Evolution is a lie of the Devil. It is a person sowing tares among the wheat, so to speak.So, evolution is entropy?
In terms of thermodynamics, evolution is moving toward maximum entropy.Tone said:So, is our education system and occupations moving towards or away from entropy?
Like polishing brass on a sinking ship.Very interesting...
I'm not certain the phrase "pure evolutionary perspective" has any semantic content. If you think it does perhaps you will present it in unambiguous terms. (I came up with five radically different attempts at an answer to that before I gave up.)
We have already caused the demise of thousands of species. We are set to cause the demise of tens of thousands more. Even if we survive it will be as a species whose scope and capabilities and future are massively reduced. We can change this, but to do this we need to recognise our evolutionary roots and our animal nature. Science is not the problem; our specific application of particular aspects of science are the issue.
Not that I can see. It's an odd claim. Feel free to make an argument for it.
Your question question lacked specificity. You did not appear to be asking about human goals, but about the goals of evolution, of which there are none. Education fulfils a variety of needs. Some consider it a form of indoctrination to enhance control of the "educated".
That depends on what you mean by physical life. It certainly deals with inherited behaviours. I would classify those as part of "physical life" and so my answer would be, no - not that I can think of.
So there is nothing inherent in evolution that says there can't be a Creator?
Evolution is a lie of the Devil. It is a person sowing tares among the wheat, so to speak.In terms of thermodynamics, evolution is moving toward maximum entropy.
One [stupid] example of evolution I've seen is a brown bear moving to the North Pole and then becoming white ones, because the brown ones stand out like a sore thumb and get eaten.
But what at the North Pole eats bears!?
Evolution thrives on death and decay; even giving it a name to try and dignify it: survival of the fittest / natural selection.
Unless our cells are being tormented and pressured by Mother Nature, evolution stagnates.
So, are you saying that "our" (humans?) survival is more important?
And how long have we been using anti-bacteria and pesticides for? Have we been battling other species for millions of years, and we are still here, because we have been winning?
What is the ultimate goal--to preserve the earth or to preserve human life on earth...why?
*And wouldn't we be doing the human species a greater service by allowing the weak among us to be culled, instead of fighting the cullers (should be a word)?
I'm sorry the use of a Biblical reference went over your head. You asked me a leading question. I chose to circumvent it. If you play rhetorical games I respond accordingly.You referred to the Bible to answer a previous question...is this what evolutionists refer to?
I'm not sure how you are defining consciousness, or what you consider to be a "really, really short time", but I suspect consciousness has been around for tens of millions of years at least. I wouldn't call its appearance sudden. If you wish to associate consciousness and "demise" you will need to offer good definitions of both and provide argument and evidence to support that claimed association.So,you believe that we arose from an unconscious and really...really...really lengthy process, and then, all of a sudden, a relatively really...really short time ago, consciousness appeared on the scene and has thus far led to demise?
I wouldn't see any value in that, but go ahead and make a case for it if you wish.So, unlike @AV1611VET, who may associate evolution with entropy; you might associate consciousness with entropy?
I'm not sure. It's not something I've considered. It's not something I can get excited about considering.Can you even have science without consciousness...or do animals and rocks do science?
That might work, but it definitely has other uses and is often much more short term in character.Maybe I was referring to what education should be about.
While evolution determined the mind of man it certainly is related only as a cause, not as an effect.So, you speak of evolution as existing apart from the mind of man? What should education be about?
No. I have no idea how consciousness arose and almost no idea as to what it is. That question is well above my pay grade.You believe consciousness is sprung from inherited behaviors?
Order and disorder are human concepts. What we mean by them can vary on the situation. If I place a number of seeds in a nice grid pattern on a flat rock, that would appear orderly to us humans. But I'm not doing the seeds any favors by doing that.
Now, if we're talking about entropy, some decrease in local entropy may be needed as evolution progresses. This really has nothing to do with order or disorder, though. It's all about heat transfer, and the availability of energy to do work. The Sun provides the energy that makes this local reduction in entropy possible.
When things get more complex, we might see it as more orderly, but that's in the eye of the beholder.
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