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[mkgal1]

The Apostles weren't aware of the long time period of the Church age. But Jesus was, He prophesied it in Luke 13:32; a day to the Lord in heaven equals 1000 years earth time. Then His reward of the 1000 year reign as King of the World.

This is what concerns me most. This is what Luke 13:32 states:

Luke 13:32 ~ Jesus said to them, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Look, I'm throwing out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.​

.....but you are suggesting this is NOT fulfilled yet (am I following you correctly?) That places Jesus back in the grave awaiting His resurrection.

ETA: You have used this as some heterodox theory about His timeline - using the verse "a day is like a thousand and a thousand like a day" as a conversion formula - dismissing God's work of salvation on the cross and His fulfillment of judgement for the blood of the saints and martyrs:

‘after two days comes revival, on the third day we will live in His presence’. – Luke 13:32, 2 Peter 3:8 The Lord’s timeline: 4000 years before Christ = 4 days. Then 2000 years of church dispensation = 2 days, His people will be revived and back in the holy Land.

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[keras]

ok ... so what things have happened ... and what is yet to come? If you follow a particular theology, please provide a link.

All my articles on the Prophetic Word are free to read a logostelos.info Including a sequence of the end time events.

And where did I say that? Because I believe the 1,000 years are spent in heaven and not on earth?

We humans never go to live in heaven, that idea is a Satanic deception.

According to the preterist approach, most of the prophecies in the book of Revelation were fulfilled not long after John wrote. I do not believe this.

Agreed. But I do believe that the first five Seals were opened by Jesus at His Ascension. Proved by how all the souls of the martyrs since Stephen are kept under the Altar in heaven.

 

[charsan]

NOT my ideas, but what the Prophetic Word tells us.
Your obligation is to take the Bible seriously. If it seems that I know more than you about these things, that can be attributed to 10 years of intensive study of the prophecies. I have written over 800 articles on them and other subjects. Read them for free at logostelos.info

No it is just your ideas and interpretations nothing more, anyone can write articles but not everyone has authority. Tell me are you ordained? Do you have a Church backing? If not why should anyone believe you that would be like believing someone wanting to do surgery on you just because they said the studied and wrote articles. It's fine if you said "This is what I think might happen" but instead you come off as if you know everything which is nothing more than hubris and pride.

 

[eleos1954]

All my articles on the Prophetic Word are free to read a logostelos.info Including a sequence of the end time events.

We humans never go to live in heaven, that idea is a Satanic deception.

Agreed. But I do believe that the first five Seals were opened by Jesus at His Ascension. Proved by how all the souls of the martyrs since Stephen are kept under the Altar in heaven.

ok, I'll go check out your link so I have a better understanding of what you believe, thanks.

 

[mkgal1]

All my articles on the Prophetic Word are free to read a logostelos.info Including a sequence of the end time events.

Maybe we don't wish to drive traffic to your website (which, I presume, means possible revenue for you) and would prefer that you summarize what you DO believe is fulfilled right here - in THIS discussion. Unless your purpose is to promote your web site and not have a sincere discussion here?

 

[charsan]

Maybe we don't wish to drive traffic to your website and would prefer that you summarize what you DO believe is fulfilled right here - in THIS discussion. Unless your purpose is to promote your web site and not have a sincere discussion here?

It does seem that way

 

[keras]

This is what concerns me most. This is what Luke 13:32 states:

Luke 13:32 ~ Jesus said to them, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Look, I'm throwing out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.​

.....but you are suggesting this is NOT fulfilled yet (am I following you correctly?) That places Jesus back in the grave awaiting His resurrection.

Luke 13:32 …..Listen; today and tomorrow I shall be driving out demons and working cures, on the third day, I shall reach My reward. REBible.
This is a prophecy that is easily explained by how to the Lord; one day equals 1000 years. Proved by hindsight; we HAVE had [nearly] the 2000 years and we now await the Return of Jesus for His 1000 year reward of being King over the world.
The next verse 33, tells of His immediate plans.

I can't fathom how you twist scripture to think I mean Jesus in still in the grave. He is in heaven, Acts 1:9

 

[keras]

Maybe we don't wish to drive traffic to your website (which, I presume, means possible revenue for you) and would prefer that you summarize what you DO believe is fulfilled right here - in THIS discussion. Unless your purpose is to promote your web site and not have a sincere discussion here?

I try to not clog up the forums with lengthy posts.
I make no money from my website, it has cost me thousands of dollars for no monetary return.

 

[mkgal1]

Luke 13:32 …..Listen; today and tomorrow I shall be driving out demons and working cures, on the third day, I shall reach My reward. REBible.
This is a prophecy that is easily explained by how to the Lord; one day equals 1000 years. Proved by hindsight; we HAVE had [nearly] the 2000 years and we now await the Return of Jesus for His 1000 year reward of being King over the world.
The next verse 33, tells of His immediate plans.

I can't fathom how you twist scripture to think I mean Jesus in still in the grave. He is in heaven, Acts 1:9

This passage is NOT about His return. It's about His resurrection. He spent 3 DAYS (reading plainly - as you've claimed you do) in the grave....."completing His work".

Yet you seem to be suggesting (and, correct me if I'm wrong) that this passage is where you get your conversion chart to prophecy.

Luke 13:32 ~ Jesus said to them, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Look, I'm throwing out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.
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....and you accuse me of "twisting Scripture". Using your own conversion chart - Jesus would still be in the grave as 3,000 years have not passed since the day He was crucified.

 

[mkgal1]

I try to not clog up the forums with lengthy posts.
I make no money from my website, it has cost me thousands of dollars for no monetary return.

A simple list would do.

What has been fulfilled:


What has yet to be fulfilled:

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't need 'authorization', to promote the Prophetic Word.
But for your information, I did receive a vision and inspiration to write articles on Bible prophecy in 2010, when I was in the holy Land. All free to read on my logostelos website.

God knows all things; He has told His prophets about His plans for us in these end times. I bring them to your attention and if they conflict with what you believe, then the thing you should do is to change your beliefs.

ok ... so what things have happened ... and what is yet to come? If you follow a particular theology, please provide a link.
And where did I say that? Because I believe the 1,000 years are spent in heaven and not on earth?
According to the preterist approach, most of the prophecies in the book of Revelation were fulfilled not long after John wrote. I do not believe this.
I believe the book of revelation briefly reviews history and then also gives us prophecies that are yet forthcoming.

And most of the Olivet Discourse.............
Unfortunately for Dispensationalist Futurism, Partial Preterism and Amil are still considered orthodox views.........

Partial Preterism: Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies,
such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent/"parousia" of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero. The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.

A simple list would do.
What has been fulfilled:
What has yet to be fulfilled:

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Partial Preterism at PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterism

70ad:
A coming (parousia) of Christ
A day of the Lord
A judgment
The end of the OC Jewish/Temple Age
(Source: R.C. Sproul, Last Days)

Still future:
The Coming (parousia) of Christ
The Day of the Lord
The Resurrection of the dead
The Rapture of the living
The (final) Judgment
The end of history

 

[mkgal1]

What you've (Keras) posted about Luke 13:32:

as Jesus will Return exactly 2000 years after His first Advent, Luke 13:32, then about 2023 is a likely date.

The Apostles weren't aware of the long time period of the Church age. But Jesus was, He prophesied it in Luke 13:32; a day to the Lord in heaven equals 1000 years earth time. Then His reward of the 1000 year reign as King of the World.

....and I had asked this:

You're still waiting for THIS? How in the world do you get "2000 years" from '3 days"?
I'm hoping you gave us the wrong passages - and that you meant something different.

....to which you responded:

I surely don't get it from 'the world'!

2 Bible Witness give us the explanation for Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32; Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8.
The formula is clear and simple; To God in heaven, a day equals 1000 years on earth.
Reading Hosea 6:1-3, makes it clear that this is a prophecy of when the Lord will Return to His people, first to revive us for 2000 years, then to live in His presence for the Millennium.

In Luke 13:32-33, Jesus goes on to say it will be 2 more literal days, then He will be crucified. That statement is not a repeat of verse 32, as it says He will come into His reward, not His death. That 'reward' is to be King over the earth for 1000 years.
Got any other clues about those two prophesies? Or will you just reject anything that you just don't like, because it conflicts with your fixed beliefs?

 

[mkgal1]

In Luke 13:32-33, Jesus goes on to say it will be 2 more literal days, then He will be crucified. That statement is not a repeat of verse 32, as it says He will come into His reward, not His death. That 'reward' is to be King over the earth for 1000 years.

ONLY a thousand years? You're limiting God's reign through Jesus to a finite amount of time?

Luke 1:33 ~ ...and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”​

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Keras said:
In Luke 13:32-33, Jesus goes on to say it will be 2 more literal days, then He will be crucified. That statement is not a repeat of verse 32, as it says He will come into His reward, not His death. That 'reward' is to be King over the earth for 1000 years.

ONLY a thousand years? You're limiting God's reign through Jesus to a finite amount of time?

Luke 1:33 ~ ...and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”​

Yeah. That doesn't seem right
By my reckoning, He has already been reigning over 5000 earth yrs since the Genesis creation and continues reigning into the ages of the ages......

He is after all the great I AM----- Alpha and Omega...the Beginning and the End
[interesting thread on that]
Before Anraham was, I AM

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One specific element of this is the "I AM" passages. Trinitarians tend to cite the OT Ex. 3:14 instance and Jesus' Abraham reference.
However, I've read the Greek Septuagint version of Ex. 3:14 and am confused. It seems to me that the Ex. 3:14 verse says (slightly para-phrasing) "I am the (one/ being). Tell the sons of Israel 'The (one/ being) has sent you'" - not "I am has sent you". I'd be interested in hearing others' views on this subject.
Andrew.

John 8:58 Said to them Jesus "amen amen I am saying to ye, before Abraham to be becoming/genesqai <1096> (5635), I AM
John 19
28 After this Jesus, knowing that already all has been finished<5055>, that may be being perfected the scripture, He is saying I am thirsting.
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, He said "it hath been finished<5055> and reclining the head, gives up the spirit.

Luke 21:7
They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher! when then shall these be? And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming<ginesqai<1096>?

Revelation 16:17
Then the seventh messenger poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the Sanctuary of the heaven from the throne, saying, “It hath become!<gegonen<1096>

Revelation 21:6
And He said to me:" it-hath-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Reve 16:17]
I AM the alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the End.......

 

[keras]

This passage is NOT about His return. It's about His resurrection. He spent 3 DAYS (reading plainly - as you've claimed you do) in the grave....."completing His work".

Luke 13:32 has nothing to do with the 3 days Jesus was in the grave, that was the sign of Jonah.
It is a very peculiar interpretation to think so, can you provide any support for it?

Yet you seem to be suggesting (and, correct me if I'm wrong) that this passage is where you get your conversion chart to prophecy.

From Luke 13:32 and Hosea 6:2, I get the fact that there will be 2000 years between His 2 Advents. Proved by there having past nearly 2000 years.

A simple list would do.

What has been fulfilled:


What has yet to be fulfilled:

To explain these things properly, takes too long here. That is why I suggested you look at my website.
But basically we are very close to the Day when the Lord will take action, to correct the world that is once again: as in the days of Noah.
We Bible believers should know all about this world changing event, it is described in over 100 prophesies.

 

[keras]

That has nothing to do with my point. You put an expiration to His Kingdom. His Kingdom never ends.

Do you not believe Jesus IS God?

How can Jesus hand the Kingdom to Himself?
Revelation 20 is perfectly clear; there will be a 1000 year reign of Jesus as King of the earth.

 

[mkgal1]

Do you not believe Jesus IS God?

How can Jesus hand the Kingdom to Himself?

Revelation 20 is perfectly clear; there will be a 1000 year reign of Jesus as King of the earth.

It seems as if you're struggling with the doctrine of the Trinity.

 

[mkgal1]

Luke 13:32 has nothing to do with the 3 days Jesus was in the grave, that was the sign of Jonah.
It is a very peculiar interpretation to think so, can you provide any support for it?

I posted this (and, admittedly, could have phrased it better):

This passage is NOT about His return. It's about His resurrection. He spent 3 DAYS (reading plainly - as you've claimed you do) in the grave....."completing His work".

You've used Luke 13:32 as some sort of conversion formula (a day equals a thousand years) and are relating it to His future return. When "3 days" is mentioned in the Gospels - I don't see it EVER used as anything besides literal days. Jesus didn't spend 3,000 years in the grave prior to His resurrection (was the point I was trying to make) - or else He would STILL be in the grave.

Commentaries for this passage (Luke 13:32) state:

John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible ~
And he said unto them, go ye and tell that fox,.... Herod, who it may be sent them, of which Christ was not ignorant, nor of his design in it; and who, as Nero, for his cruelty, is compared to a lion, so he for his subtlety in this instance, as well as in the whole of his conduct, to a fox; though some think Christ has a regard to the Pharisees, and their craftiness, in forming this story, pretending good will to him, by acquainting him of Herod's malicious designs, when their view was only to scare him out of their country; so the false prophets and teachers, are for their cunning, subtlety, and flattery, compared to foxes, Song of Solomon 2:15 as well as for their greediness and voraciousness: the word is used with the Jews, for a vain and empty man, in opposition to a good man.

and the third day I shall be perfected; that is, in a little time after, I shall be made perfect by sufferings, my course will be finished, and I shall have done all the work completely, I came about; and till that time come, it is not in his power, nor yours, nor all the men on earth, or devils in hell, to take away my life, or hinder me doing what I am about.

Adam Clarke Commentary ~ Perfected - Or finished, τελειουμαι . I shall then have accomplished the purpose for which I came into the world, leaving nothing undone which the counsel of God designed me to complete. Hence, in reference to our Lord, the word implies his dying; as the plan of human redemption was not finished, till he bowed his head and gave up the ghost on the cross: see John 19:30, where the same word is used. It is used also in reference to Christ's death, Hebrews 2:10; Hebrews 5:9; see also Acts 20:24, and Hebrews 12:23. The word finish, etc., is used in the same sense both by the Greeks and Latins. See Kypke.


Geneva Study Bible
And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that (h) fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures (i) to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be (k) perfected.


(h) That deceitful and treacherous man.

(i) That is, a small time, and Theophylact says it is a proverb: or else by "to day" we may understand the present time, and by tomorrow the time to come, meaning by this the entire time of his ministry and office.

(k) That is, when the sacrifice for sin is finished.

Quoting from Enduring Word ~
Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected: Jesus wanted Herod to know that He would continue His work, even to its conclusion. Jesus wasn’t afraid of Herod, and He wanted him to know it.

i. Be perfected actually has the idea of “to reach the goal.” Jesus knew that before long, He would reach the goal on the third day – resurrection would be His.

ii. “I shall then have accomplished the purpose for which I came into the world, leaving nothing undone which the counsel of God designed me to complete.” (Clarke)

iii. “Looking back, as we are able to do, we know that the ‘third day’ was the way of the Cross and all that issued from it.” (Morgan) ~ Luke Chapter 13



You are correct in linking this passage with Hosea 6:2.

Hosea 6:2 ~ "He will revive us after two days; He will raise us up on the third day, That we may live before Him."

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[keras]

You've used Luke 13:32 as some sort of conversion formula (a day equals a thousand years) and are relating it to His future return.

Yes I do.
Just because you and the Commentators can't see it, is no reason that Jesus wasn't prophesying about the 2000 year gap, that we have had and then His Millennium reign. It is in fact; a very logical conclusion to make, as in the next verse He tells the disciples about His immediate plans.
The 'conversion formula' is given to us by two witnesses; Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8

It seems as if you're struggling with the doctrine of the Trinity.

You are denying scripture and making a false accusation in this comment. ​

1 Corinthians 15:24 plainly state that Jesus will hand the Kingdom back to the Father.

You; mkgal1, are the one who is struggling. I post Bible truths that conflict with your beliefs and you bring up personal accusations and drag out clueless commentators.
The Bible tells the truth; believe it and also look around at a world in great need of correction. This the Lord is soon to do, don't you know what He has planned? Why not?

 

[mkgal1]

Yes I do.
Just because you and the Commentators can't see it, is no reason that Jesus wasn't prophesying about the 2000 year gap, that we have had and then His Millennium reign. It is in fact; a very logical conclusion to make, as in the next verse He tells the disciples about His immediate plans.
The 'conversion formula' is given to us by two witnesses; Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8

His "immediate plans" were to go to the Cross (and v 32 alludes to that as well). Metaphors are NOT conversion formulas.

You are denying scripture and making a false accusation in this comment.

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1 Corinthians 15:24 plainly state that Jesus will hand the Kingdom back to the Father.

....but Christ and the Father are both God (so it's not a switch of Kingship there - where Christ's power or sovereignty ceases). I'm not denying Scripture - I'm disagreeing with YOUR interpretation of it.

You; mkgal1, are the one who is struggling. I post Bible truths that conflict with your beliefs and you bring up personal accusations and drag out clueless commentators.
The Bible tells the truth; believe it and also look around at a world in great need of correction. This the Lord is soon to do, don't you know what He has planned? Why not?

I can assure you - I'm not "struggling". I've yet to come across ANY commentary on Luke 13:32 that suggests anything close to what you're asserting (but I don't doubt there are probably some out there).