Challenge thread: Show me where in evolution is it anti-God.

expos4ever · Apr 17, 2022

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
How is my question unclear?

In the OP, you asked this:

Show me where in the theory of evolution it is anti-God, or anti-Christianity.

Based on subsequent posts, I believe it would have been more clear if you had written this instead:

Provide an explanation of how the theory of evolution was developed with the the intent of undermining theist, and in particular Christian, belief in human origins.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Apr 17, 2022

expos4ever said:
In the OP, you asked this:

Show me where in the theory of evolution it is anti-God, or anti-Christianity.

Based on subsequent posts, I believe it would have been more clear if you had written this instead:

Provide an explanation of how the theory of evolution was developed with the the intent of undermining theist, and in particular Christian, belief in human origins.

You know... that is a better one.

Psalm 27 · Apr 17, 2022

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Does not even address the OP at all.

Psalm 27 · Apr 17, 2022

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Does not even address the OP at all.

Hans Blaster · Apr 17, 2022

NBB said:
Its very relevant, one of 'top' scientists saying all that, is super relevant to this thread since evolution is part of science 'supposedly' so yes believing everything has an explanation without God is anti god and a garrafal error.

There are several errors in your thinking (or understanding of science).

Hawking was a *physicist* not a biologist of any kind. His work, accomplishments, etc. in physics have no bearing on the validity of evolution.

Second -- the "top scientist" notion. Science works on evidence, not on the authority of any scientist. Only on the data and the usefulness of explanations. Science is not based on how well you can argue or debate either.

Third -- even in *physics* Hawking's work had only application in a harrow sub-set of physics. Most of *physics* is unaffected by Hawking's work.

NBB · Apr 17, 2022

Hans Blaster said:
There are several errors in your thinking (or understanding of science).

Hawking was a *physicist* not a biologist of any kind. His work, accomplishments, etc. in physics have no bearing on the validity of evolution.

Second -- the "top scientist" notion. Science works on evidence, not on the authority of any scientist. Only on the data and the usefulness of explanations. Science is not based on how well you can argue or debate either.

Third -- even in *physics* Hawking's work had only application in a harrow sub-set of physics. Most of *physics* is unaffected by Hawking's work.

I'm pretty sure when i say evolution is an explanation incompatible with God, where is God in evolution?, everyone needs to realize God is real, after that is not so hard to discard evolution. Also we have a soul inside, biologists say our thoughts come from the brain.... there is a whole spiritual world and people are really blind. The greatest 'conspiracy theory' of all time that is not a conspiracy theory at all, that the devil has the world blinded to not see God, somehow God and his people need to snatch people from the devil hands, the most important part in life is meeting the creator nothing else matters. I can't stress enough that this world is upside down and people don't realize God can be close to us and that we need him. So before people say this is off topic or that i'm preaching i don't care, the truth is not off topic or 'preaching'.

Also the bible talks how not many of us christians are rich or powerful or wise by human standards, because the people invited to God kingdom didn't want to come because of their pride, but the 'broken' people accepted the invitation, so is not like God is discrminating the rich and smart/wise in world standards its just they have a hard time accepting the gospel sadly.

Hans Blaster · Apr 17, 2022

NBB said:
I'm pretty sure when i say evolution is an explanation incompatible with God, where is God in evolution?,

Evolution is science. Science doesn't use gods as explanations for things. It is the study of the natural world using natural explanations. If we find a gap that requires a non-natural explanation, we'll let you know.

NBB said:
everyone needs to realize God is real, after that is not so hard to discard evolution.

Evidence would be useful with this claim, but either way, it does not invalidate evolution which is well evidenced. There are plenty of Christians who accept evolution and god. (I used to be one.)

NBB said:
Also we have a soul inside, biologists say our thoughts come from the brain.... there is a whole spiritual world and people are really blind.

Souls lack empirical evidence, but you are correct that biology puts thought in the brain. Not sure where else it could be...

NBB said:
The greatest 'conspiracy theory' of all time that is not a conspiracy theory at all, that the devil has the world blinded to not see God, somehow God and his people need to snatch people from the devil hands, the most important part in life is meeting the creator nothing else matters.

I don't find the existence of this devil person to be credible either. If it is real and can hide "god" then it must be even more powerful. (And I've met my creators, though they prefer the term "parents".)

NBB said:
I can't stress enough that this world is upside down and people don't realize God can be close to us and that we need him.

The world is a sphere. Up is away from the center, down is towards the center. I've found over the last 20 years that I really didn't need god. Do not miss him.

NBB said:
So before people say this is off topic or that i'm preaching i don't care, the truth is not off topic or 'preaching'.

Well, at least you know what you are doing. I really can't stand those who deny what they are obviously doing. Congrats.

NBB said:
Also the bible talks how not many of us christians are rich or powerful or wise by human standards, because the people invited to God kingdom didn't want to come because of their pride, but the 'broken' people accepted the invitation, so is not like God is discrminating the rich and smart/wise in world standards its just they have a hard time accepting the gospel sadly.

Do you need to be broken to accept Jesus?

I was never told that. (At least not in those terms.) But, eventually I grew out of it.

Frank Robert · Apr 18, 2022

AV1611VET said:
Evolution says we are animals.

Humans may be animals but they are also a unique super predator.

Hans Blaster · Apr 18, 2022

Frank Robert said:
Humans may be animals but they are also a unique super predator.

What about the predator Dionaea muscipula? It isn't even an animal.

AV1611VET · Apr 18, 2022

Frank Robert said:
Humans may be animals but they are also a unique super predator.

So was T. Rex at one time.

Mr Laurier · May 14, 2022

AV1611VET said:
Warden, considering who the real author of evolution is, do you really think he is going to expressly claim God doesn't exist?

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Evolution has no author.

AV1611VET · May 14, 2022

Mr Laurier said:
Evolution has no author.

It has a father, doesn't it?

Bungle_Bear · May 14, 2022

AV1611VET said:
It has a father, doesn't it?

No.

AV1611VET · May 14, 2022

Bungle_Bear said:
No.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

Bungle_Bear · May 14, 2022

AV1611VET said:
And I'm Genghis Khan.

Your choice of name doesn't change reality.

ruthiesea · May 14, 2022

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
And that's entirely subjective, not objective.

People say that the theory of evolution is anti-God. Show me where it says that.

I’ve read all of Darwin’s scientific works (talk about long and dry) and nowhere does he deny the existence of G-d. The only thing ones who say the evolution denies G-d are Christians. As far as I can see there is no conflict between evolution and religion. At least not my religion.

ruthiesea · May 14, 2022

AV1611VET said:
Here we go with another one of these IT MUST BE EXPRESSED, OR IT CAN'T BE ADDRESSED challenges.

Evolution says we are animals.

Are you saying that we are….plants? What is your alternative?

AV1611VET · May 14, 2022

ruthiesea said:
Are you saying that we are….plants? What is your alternative?

QV please:

AV1611VET said:
If abiogenesis kick-started life on this planet, which did it kick-start first? plants or animals?

If it kick-started plants, are we plants?

If it kick-started animals, are plants animals?

Bungle_Bear · May 14, 2022

AV1611VET said:
QV please:

The answer would be neither plants nor animals.

AV1611VET · May 14, 2022

Bungle_Bear said:
The answer would be neither plants nor animals.

So what are we?

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