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Example 1 is either poor editing or simply an Small Van de Graaff Generator. I did that trick in the 1950's for a School Talent Show.
Like I said, my experience. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or Harvard graduate to see (eventually) that there is something wrong with the picture, especially with some knowledge of scripture. Here is what some psychologists say about it:
Religious ecstasy
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hide-and-seek/201501/the-psychology-ecstasy
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/ambigamy/201411/fanaticism-is-disease-alcoholism
I think I know what I'm talking about, because I have experienced the same kinds of things. Shaking and falling has been an expectation in this camp for many decades. When I was young and immature, I did the same because it was an expected activity. Coupled with ecstatic feelings, the shaking can seem out of control, especially when the expectation is strong and the person doesn't want that feeling to dissipate, and especially when the person is deceived into thinking it is Holy Spirit activity. This kind of fanaticism is fuel for the fires of cults and false religions in which they do these things.
#3 looks very fake at first, and when people get psyched up for emotional outburst, the outcome can appear genuine because of the emotional expression. Yet good actors can control their emotional expression, some very well, in which it appears genuine on the big screen, and we see it all the time. As far as I'm concerned, these are mainly expressions of fleshly emotions, and not supernatural events.
Whenever someone gets emotional about their situation with tears and trembling voice, we consider that as inspiration. Yes, I experience inspiration sometimes when the words and music of a song increase my awareness of God. That is worship from the heart, and certain kinds of activity (like trembling voice) is typical. It doesn't mean there is supernatural activity in that case. In groups where shaking and falling are expected as a manifestation of the Spirit, then such activity will be practiced, especially when people are using it as a springboard for worship in order to get those feelings of ecstasy. People do that because they think it makes them closer to God, or that they have had an encounter with God. And this is how such activity can be addictive
This might explain it. https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Pentecostalism-Its-Roots-Slavery/dp/1500858080The following are example videos of people experiencing shaking and trembling in religious settings, mainly in Pentecostal and Charismatic groups:
Many people claim these manifestations have a supernatural cause. For example here are some quotes from first-hand experiencers of the phenomenon:
- Example 1
- Example 2
- Example 3
- Example 4
- Example 5
- Example 6
- Example 7
- Example 8
- Example 9
- Example 10
- Example 11
- Example 12
- Example 13
- Example 14
- Example 15
- Example 16
Many of these videos pertain to Andres Bisonni's ministry, who has run dozens of "miracle crusades" around the world. In this video he claims that his ministry is about "signs, wonders and miracles" and in this video he claims that his ministry started with a supernatural encounter with the Holy Spirit that changed his life. Andres Bissoni has a YouTube Channel with more than 375K subscribers, from which I borrowed most of the example videos above. Most of these videos are highlight video clips from "miracle crusades" and "Holy Spirit revival meetings" and are intended to showcase "the power of God". In particular, most of those highlight clips show instances of dramatic body shaking and trembling, so the claim that they are supernatural is obvious.
- Testimony 1: this is by far the best testimony I know of. The context is the Brownsville Revival. In the video a lady testifies about her experience of body shaking and trembling allegedly as a manifestation of the Holy Spirit acting upon her. In fact she begins to shake and tremble on camera as she is narrating her testimony. At 6:46 the lady and the preacher begin to talk specifically about the causes of her tremors. At 7:12 she says "[...]like right now, I think the Glory of God is so strong up here, my body can't really take it and that's why I'm doing this [...]"
- Testimony 2: The testimony as a whole is powerful, but regarding body shaking and trembling at 4:54 the guy describes his experience. Here a quote: "[...] my body started doing things that defied metaphysics, my body started doing things that I couldn't explain. I started levitating and bouncing off of the chair I was sitting in like a jack hammer [...]"
- Testimony 3: "[...]I felt an electricity, a fire[...]" followed by the girl trembling and fainting in reaction to the command of the preacher. Then the preacher says "The power of God is the kingdom of God manifesting in our midst[...]".
- Testimony 4: "[...]I felt an electricity all through my body, in all of my joints[...]", followed by the woman trembling and fainting in reaction to the command of the preacher (just like in the previous testimony).
- Testimony 5: "[...]I felt a heat, and I felt a peace[...]", followed by the woman trembling and fainting in reaction to the command of the preacher (again).
- Testimony 6: "[...]I felt a vibrating that I'm feeling right now[...]", followed by the guy fainting and feeling a sort of ecstasy based on his facial expression, in response to the preacher's command.
- Testimony 7: "[...]I was burning all over, and I felt so free, He just embraces you and makes you feel so loved[...]", followed by the guy losing the equilibrium and fainting, in response to the preacher's command.
Likewise, Example 1 took place in an evangelistic campaign in Mexico led by the Hispanic pastor and evangelist Juan Carlos Harrigan, who also has a YouTube Channel with over 1 million subscribers. In the video the preacher says in Spanish "[...] está muy fuerte la unción sobre ella, agárrenla, está muy fuerte [...]" which in English translates to "[...] the anointing over her is very strong, hold her, it's very strong [...]", meaning that the dramatic body shaking and trembling the girl experienced is allegedly the result of God's anointing being poured over her.
So we have live recordings of people dramatically shaking and trembling, multiple first-hand testimonies and at least two very influential preachers claiming these manifestations are supernaturally caused.
So, how do cessationists explain these videos? What is really going on with these manifestations?
Those scriptures pretty selective and embarrassingly biased. Was something wrong with these scriptures?To go backwards in Scripture is to incur God's wrath. To fall over backwards is a "sign" of that.
Two incidence where people fell over backwards. One (as you've already indicated) was Eli the priest. He fell over backwards when the ark of the covenant was captured.
The second were those who came to arrest Jesus.
Psalm 40
13 Be pleased, O Lord, to deliver me: O Lord, make haste to help me.
14 Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil.
15 Let them be desolate for a reward of their shame that say unto me, Aha, aha.
This is a Messianic psalm and what he says here actually happened. Psalm 70 is the same language.
1 Make haste, o God, to deliver me; make haste to help me, O Lord.
2 Let them be ashamed and confounded that seek after my soul: let them be turned backward, and put to confusion, that desire my hurt.
3 Let them be turned back for a reward of their shame that say, Aha, aha.
This finds it's fulfillment in John
John 18
5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.
Isaiah speaks of Israel's disobedience causing them to go backwards.
Isaiah 1
3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.
4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.
5 Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
They received instruction that they did not heed.
Isaiah 28
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
14 Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
Isaiah 44
24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:
Isaiah 59
13 In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lordsaw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
Jeremiah 7
23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
Jeremiah 15
5 For who shall have pity upon thee, O Jerusalem? or who shall bemoan thee? or who shall go aside to ask how thou doest?
6 Thou hast forsaken me, saith the Lord, thou art gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against thee, and destroy thee; I am weary with repenting.
7 And I will fan them with a fan in the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy my people since they return not from their ways.
Lamentations 1
7 Jerusalem remembered in the days of her affliction and of her miseries all her pleasant things that she had in the days of old, when her people fell into the hand of the enemy, and none did help her: the adversaries saw her, and did mock at her sabbaths.
8 Jerusalem hath grievously sinned; therefore she is removed: all that honoured her despise her, because they have seen her nakedness: yea, she sigheth, and turneth backward.
9 Her filthiness is in her skirts; she remembereth not her last end; therefore she came down wonderfully: she had no comforter. O Lord, behold my affliction: for the enemy hath magnified himself.
All the people in the Scriptures who had convulsions were either epileptic, insane, possessed by demons; or both ill and possessed.
No where in Scripture does it say that to be possessed by the Holy Ghost causes people to shake.
Mark 9
17 And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit;
18 And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.
19 He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.
20 And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.
21 And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.
Matthew 17
14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,
15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.
16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
Mark 1
23 And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out,
24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.
26 And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him.
Luke 9
38 And, behold, a man of the company cried out, saying, Master, I beseech thee, look upon my son: for he is mine only child.
39 And, lo, a spirit taketh him, and he suddenly crieth out; and it teareth him that he foameth again, and bruising him hardly departeth from him.
40 And I besought thy disciples to cast him out; and they could not.
41 And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you? Bring thy son hither.
42 And as he was yet a coming, the devil threw him down, and tare him. And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the child, and delivered him again to his father.
The only other reference to trembling is to tremble in fear. And that's connected to judgement.
The nations shall tremble.
Deuteronomy 2:25
Jeremiah 33:8-10
Danile 6:26
Those who fear judgement tremble.
Psalm 119:120
Jeremiah 5:21-23
(even before earthly rulers) Daniel 5:18-20
Those operating out of God's power are told not to (and do not) tremble.
Deuteronomy 20:3
In multiple passages people are told not to fear. In 170 places some context of "fear not" is instructed to believers God comes to.
Quite a board selection. Are you a politician or a Christian?All the people in the Scriptures who had convulsions were either epileptic, insane, possessed by demons; or both ill and possessed.
No where in Scripture does it say that to be possessed by the Holy Ghost causes people to shake.
Mark 9
17 And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit;
18 And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.
19 He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.
20 And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.
21 And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.
Matthew 17
14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,
15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.
16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
Mark 1
23 And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out,
24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.
26 And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him.
Luke 9
38 And, behold, a man of the company cried out, saying, Master, I beseech thee, look upon my son: for he is mine only child.
39 And, lo, a spirit taketh him, and he suddenly crieth out; and it teareth him that he foameth again, and bruising him hardly departeth from him.
40 And I besought thy disciples to cast him out; and they could not.
41 And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you? Bring thy son hither.
42 And as he was yet a coming, the devil threw him down, and tare him. And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the child, and delivered him again to his father.
The only other reference to trembling is to tremble in fear. And that's connected to judgement.
The nations shall tremble.
Deuteronomy 2:25
Jeremiah 33:8-10
Danile 6:26
Those who fear judgement tremble.
Psalm 119:120
Jeremiah 5:21-23
(even before earthly rulers) Daniel 5:18-20
Those operating out of God's power are told not to (and do not) tremble.
Deuteronomy 20:3
In multiple passages people are told not to fear. In 170 places some context of "fear not" is instructed to believers God comes to.
Those scriptures pretty selective and embarrassingly biased. Was something wrong with these scriptures?
Rev. 1:7 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.
Acts 22:6“About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. 7I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’
Daniel 8:
17So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell on my face: but he said to me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
18Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
2nd Chron. 5:13It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endures for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD; 14So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God.
Quite a board selection. Are you a politician or a Christian?
Here you have both the quaking and the “slain in the spirit.”
Daniel . 10:7And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell on them, so that they fled to hide themselves. 8Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. 9Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.
Best one though. The priests could not stand in the presence of the Lord.
13It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endures for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD; 14So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God.
The following are example videos of people experiencing shaking and trembling in religious settings, mainly in Pentecostal and Charismatic groups:
Many people claim these manifestations have a supernatural cause. For example here are some quotes from first-hand experiencers of the phenomenon:
- Example 1
- Example 2
- Example 3
- Example 4
- Example 5
- Example 6
- Example 7
- Example 8
- Example 9
- Example 10
- Example 11
- Example 12
- Example 13
- Example 14
- Example 15
- Example 16
Many of these videos pertain to Andres Bisonni's ministry, who has run dozens of "miracle crusades" around the world. In this video he claims that his ministry is about "signs, wonders and miracles" and in this video he claims that his ministry started with a supernatural encounter with the Holy Spirit that changed his life. Andres Bissoni has a YouTube Channel with more than 375K subscribers, from which I borrowed most of the example videos above. Most of these videos are highlight video clips from "miracle crusades" and "Holy Spirit revival meetings" and are intended to showcase "the power of God". In particular, most of those highlight clips show instances of dramatic body shaking and trembling, so the claim that they are supernatural is obvious.
- Testimony 1: this is by far the best testimony I know of. The context is the Brownsville Revival. In the video a lady testifies about her experience of body shaking and trembling allegedly as a manifestation of the Holy Spirit acting upon her. In fact she begins to shake and tremble on camera as she is narrating her testimony. At 6:46 the lady and the preacher begin to talk specifically about the causes of her tremors. At 7:12 she says "[...]like right now, I think the Glory of God is so strong up here, my body can't really take it and that's why I'm doing this [...]"
- Testimony 2: The testimony as a whole is powerful, but regarding body shaking and trembling at 4:54 the guy describes his experience. Here a quote: "[...] my body started doing things that defied metaphysics, my body started doing things that I couldn't explain. I started levitating and bouncing off of the chair I was sitting in like a jack hammer [...]"
- Testimony 3: "[...]I felt an electricity, a fire[...]" followed by the girl trembling and fainting in reaction to the command of the preacher. Then the preacher says "The power of God is the kingdom of God manifesting in our midst[...]".
- Testimony 4: "[...]I felt an electricity all through my body, in all of my joints[...]", followed by the woman trembling and fainting in reaction to the command of the preacher (just like in the previous testimony).
- Testimony 5: "[...]I felt a heat, and I felt a peace[...]", followed by the woman trembling and fainting in reaction to the command of the preacher (again).
- Testimony 6: "[...]I felt a vibrating that I'm feeling right now[...]", followed by the guy fainting and feeling a sort of ecstasy based on his facial expression, in response to the preacher's command.
- Testimony 7: "[...]I was burning all over, and I felt so free, He just embraces you and makes you feel so loved[...]", followed by the guy losing the equilibrium and fainting, in response to the preacher's command.
Likewise, Example 1 took place in an evangelistic campaign in Mexico led by the Hispanic pastor and evangelist Juan Carlos Harrigan, who also has a YouTube Channel with over 1 million subscribers. In the video the preacher says in Spanish "[...] está muy fuerte la unción sobre ella, agárrenla, está muy fuerte [...]" which in English translates to "[...] the anointing over her is very strong, hold her, it's very strong [...]", meaning that the dramatic body shaking and trembling the girl experienced is allegedly the result of God's anointing being poured over her.
So we have live recordings of people dramatically shaking and trembling, multiple first-hand testimonies and at least two very influential preachers claiming these manifestations are supernaturally caused.
So, how do cessationists explain these videos? What is really going on with these manifestations?
I'm not willing to spend lots of time discussing details on this. Operative word in this matter is "alleged." Just because someone gives a testimony doesn't mean it's truth. Everything must be measured according to the 66 books of the Bible we have today. This is where I stand, and therefore things that happen where people do things or say things that don't mesh with scripture is suspect.Those links don't mention anything about shaking and trembling. Wrong links maybe?
Would you mind telling more details about your own personal experience? How was the first time you experienced shaking/trembling? What exactly happened? What did you feel? Was your experience similar to any of the example videos (which one)?
Are you talking about this example? This video is an (alleged) demonic deliverance, the woman falls to the ground shaking convulsively in a very weird way. Then she begins to tell her experience (in Spanish) and gets very emotional. Then, she testifies about feeling a huge release from whatever was oppressing her (because she got delivered). Are you saying this is all staged and that she is faking it all? That's a strong accusation.
This sounds reasonable in many cases, however there are other cases where the person who experienced shaking and trembling was not expecting it at all. For example 1) here you have the testimony of a former atheist who experienced uncontrollable shaking and trembling out of nowhere (he ended up getting converted because of the undeniable experience). He never expected that, he was an atheist. I even talked to him in the comment section and he confirmed that he didn't even know these manifestations even existed. Also, 2) here you have the testimony of a lady in the Brownsville Revival, she began to experience these manifestations unexpectedly the first week of the revival, she didn't see it coming. She also explains that these manifestations come to her when she is interceding for lost souls.
So the explanation that everybody does it out of expectation fails for cases where there are no expectations, such as these two examples.
Falling is falling. Frontwards backwards. They key is “as dead.” “In a deep sleep” Those who were with Daniel certainly shook and fled. Then of course there is all the singers in Solomon’s temple could not stand up when the cloud of his mighty presence entered the temple. Now that my friend is Pentecostal.Note: Danial didn't run away in fear; nor did he "quake".
All the people of God who fell before Him went face down, not backwards.
Jesus said “whom do you seek?” They said “Jesus of Nazareth.” He said “I AM.” And they all fell backwards. Your swallowing a camel and straining at gnats. You claim you need scriptural evidence for such phenomena but then deny the scriptural evidence. So how can you be a judge about the phenomena? You can’t.Scripture is "bias" huh.
Note: None of these people fell over backwards.
Jesus said “whom do you seek?” They said “Jesus of Nazareth.” He said “I AM.” And they all fell backwards. Your swallowing a camel and straining at gnats. You claim you need scriptural evidence for such phenomena but then deny the scriptural evidence. So how can you be a judge about the phenomena? You can’t.
Any references to back this up? Any evidence of people practicing "shaking and trembling" dramatically as in the top 6 example videos?
Your explanation is basically claiming that they are all faking it, then how do you explain that children (like here, here, here, here), elderly (like here, here) and even prison inmates are experiencing this stuff?
Thanks for sharing all this, but you are talking about glossolalia, which is not the common topic of the example videos I shared in the OP. I'm talking specifically about the experience of dramatic shaking or trembling in religious settings (watch the top six/seven videos to understand what I'm talking about, they are very illustrative of the phenomenon).
The fact that people are shakings and twisting and emotional means that they have actually lost touch with reality and adrenaline and excitement has overtaken their minds.
That's true in many cases for glossolalia and being slain in the spirit, which are the two examples you mentioned, but what about shaking and trembling? Do you know people who intentionally faked trembling and shaking to "fit in the group"?Those people do those things because that is what is expected of them to prove that they are in fact a saved person.
Those links don't mention anything about shaking and trembling. Wrong links maybe?
Would you mind telling more details about your own personal experience? How was the first time you experienced shaking/trembling? What exactly happened? What did you feel? Was your experience similar to any of the example videos (which one)?
Are you talking about this example? This video is an (alleged) demonic deliverance, the woman falls to the ground shaking convulsively in a very weird way. Then she begins to tell her experience (in Spanish) and gets very emotional. Then, she testifies about feeling a huge release from whatever was oppressing her (because she got delivered). Are you saying this is all staged and that she is faking it all? That's a strong accusation.
This sounds reasonable in many cases, however there are other cases where the person who experienced shaking and trembling was not expecting it at all. For example 1) here you have the testimony of a former atheist who experienced uncontrollable shaking and trembling out of nowhere (he ended up getting converted because of the undeniable experience). He never expected that, he was an atheist. I even talked to him in the comment section and he confirmed that he didn't even know these manifestations even existed. Also, 2) here you have the testimony of a lady in the Brownsville Revival, she began to experience these manifestations unexpectedly the first week of the revival, she didn't see it coming. She also explains that these manifestations come to her when she is interceding for lost souls.
So the explanation that everybody does it out of expectation fails for cases where there are no expectations, such as these two examples.
Reading something someone wrote in a comments section online really is not the same thing. It could simply be a person pulling your leg. Let me know when someone from the James Randi Foundation acts that way in a Christian Worship Service. I can email them to ask about it.
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