So then, you have to own a Bible to get saved? And that was true for OT saints as well?To all:
God magnifies His Word above His name.
We learn about the gospel and Jesus from the Bible.
It is how we get saved to begin with and it is how we learn to walk with God in holiness.
No outside revelation or vision in addition to the Bible can help with that.
That may or may not be true, but I accepted the Bible without 'tons of evidence'. I accepted it when the Holy Spirit convicted me, during a sermon. My foundation was a direct revelation known as the Inward Witness.God's Word is confirmed by tons of evidences.
(1) The existence of a counterfeit doesn't preclude the possibility of the real gift.To all:
Another problem with the Charismatic movement is that if you ask them to test their ability on interpretations of tongues, they will not be able to prove that their interpretation is correct by the fact that they were not willing to take three different interpreters of tongues and separate them into different rooms so as to give their interpretation on that one particular unknown tongues message. They know that if they were to do this, their interpretations are not all going to match and be the same.
But you DON'T limit yourself to the Bible. Again, on what basis did you accept the Bible? You say, 'on tons of evidence'. What evidence? Regardless of what kind of 'evidence' it was, you've already proposed two separate kinds of authorities.But we are told to test the spirits to see whether they are of God. To prove all things and to hold to that which is good. I will stick with the Word of God (the Bible) that has proven itself divine over and over and not in some extra biblical revelation, prophecy, or tongues message today.
I have God's Word, and it is more than enough.
Enough, you say? Here's an example of the Inward Witness:I have God's Word, and it is more than enough.
Do you believe in the Trinity or the Rapture of the church?Catholics claim holy traditions are just as on equal authority as Holy Scripture. What makes your extra biblical source reliable as being on par with the Bible? That's the problem. There is no real way to confirm these outside sources as being true and or as miraculous as the Holy Scriptures.
There are tons of evidences that back up God's Word (Which proves it to be divine in origin):
Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God
I guarantee you that whatever outside biblical source or transmission you received on there being 5 tongues cannot be verified in it being divine in origin in the same way the Bible is.
Hence, why I will trust in the Bible alone.
Thus in your view, the mysteries of Scripture are:I have God's Word, and it is more than enough.
Interesting to note that the scripture you quoted separates the "signs and wonders" from "gifts of the Holy Ghost". But when you discuss it you combine them. ("miraculous gifts") Which is more biblical?3 "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?"
(Hebrews 2:3-4).
Notice that the author appeals to his readers to remember the time when Jesus spoke, his message was proclaimed by the apostles, and God validated their message by the miraculous gifts. All of this points backwards to a time when that had happened in their past. If those sign gifts were still ongoing in the church, there is no conceivable way to understand these verses. Again, the argument is simply: “Don’t walk away from the gospel, because remember the time when Jesus spoke, and then his followers spoke, and they had the miracles to back it up!”
Wow. You throw out the first half of the verse and keep the second half.The Bible has to be our foundation (1 Timothy 3:16-17).
Without it, we have nothing to stand upon (2 Corinthians 1:24).
For faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1).
But scripture (the Bible) had its origin in prophecy.To all:
God magnifies His Word above His name.
We learn about the gospel and Jesus from the Bible.
It is how we get saved to begin with and it is how we learn to walk with God in holiness.
No outside revelation or vision in addition to the Bible can help with that.
God's Word is confirmed by tons of evidences.
Extra biblical outside revelations to the Bible cannot be confirmed in the same way.
In most cases, they be disproven by looking at the unbiblical practices and the fruits of the individuals involved.
You are as ignorant about the interpretation of tongues as you are about prophecy.To all:
Another problem with the Charismatic movement is that if you ask them to test their ability on interpretations of tongues, they will not be able to prove that their interpretation is correct by the fact that they were not willing to take three different interpreters of tongues and separate them into different rooms so as to give their interpretation on that one particular unknown tongues message. They know that if they were to do this, their interpretations are not all going to match and be the same.
But we are told to test the spirits to see whether they are of God. To prove all things and to hold to that which is good. I will stick with the Word of God (the Bible) that has proven itself divine over and over and not in some extra biblical revelation, prophecy, or tongues message today.
I have God's Word, and it is more than enough.
Correct. The nature of a rhetorical question is to have an obvious answer.Yet, Paul asks the rhetorical question in 1 Corinthians 12:30 "do all speak with tongues?" And the obvious answer to that question is a.... "no."
Yet, Paul asks the rhetorical question in 1 Corinthians 12:30 "do all speak with tongues?" And the obvious answer to that question is a.... "no."
1 John 4:3 says that one of the tests is that the spirit will confess that Jesus is come in the flesh. If they do not pass this test, then they are a spirit of antichrist.
"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." (1 John 4:3).
(4) Conscience is my highest authority, defined as feelings of certainty as to what is morally right or wrong for me to do or believe at any given moment.
Your task to prove me wrong is simple, right? All you have to do is disprove one simple analogy about a little boy asked to clean his room every day of the week. Doesn't get any easier than that, right?Robert Baxter, mentioned above, said he spoke under a painful restraint, but later accused himself of being a false prophet, so that shows what concience does. not work. Concience can be corrupted. I find it somewhat heretical that you put concience above scripture.
Do you believe in the Trinity or the Rapture of the church?
Neither of those words can be found in the Bible.
You said:The outpouring at Pentecost is #5 below. Agree or disagree?
Five Different kinds of tongues
1) Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God
2) Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit
3) Prophetic ministry language - Addressing a message to the whole congregation
4) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity
5) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in their own language (not yours)
You are as ignorant about the interpretation of tongues as you are about prophecy.
You said:There is a difference between "translation" and interpretation. Even our Bible translations don't match. Are you ready to throw out all your Bibles? Since they don't match they are obviously flawed. Right?
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