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Mmhmmm.

As I said, you can recreate this experiment yourself. Prove us all wrong. Your Nobel awaits.

lol

No noble or ego boost from man needed here.

I'll leave that to hermetic scientists and those who have learned the mystery schools throughout the ages.

And to their man god's.


Tell me do you know when heliocentric theory was first conjured?

It wasn't Copernicus, the Renascence is the outward work of the mystery schools.

Try going back to Egyptian Toth or Hermes and Hermes Trismegistus


Look at youtube many many many balloons with non fish eye lenses, horizon is not curved its horizontal.
 
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Without Him and Napoleon we'd still be burning at the pyre of the inquisition.

Because Martin Luther had some good ideas doesn't mean he didn't also have bad ones. He was also extremely anti-Semitic, for example.
 
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And you still believe he was right about that. Frankly that's just embarrassing.

It's embarrassing to call yourself christian and buy this pale blue dot theory or natural selection and believe the fake moon landing footage directed by Stanley Kubrick.

And remember the Apollo missions were named after the King of the bottomless pit Apollyon or Abaddon.

Are you going to believe NASA when they say they found life?

What are you setting yourself up for here?
 
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Because Martin Luther had some good ideas doesn't mean he didn't also have bad ones. He was also extremely anti-Semitic, for example.

Hence why man isn't to be god.

Including his understanding of reality via calculation that can appear to look like the real thing. E.g. simulation.
 
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It's embarrassing to call yourself christian and buy this pale blue dot theory or natural selection and believe the fake moon landing footage directed by Stanley Kubrick.

And remember the Apollo missions were named after the Kind of the bottomless pit Apollyon or Abaddon.

No they're not. Apollo was the Greek god of the sun and music, and his name comes from the Doric word apella (ἀπέλλα), which originally meant "wall," "fence for animals" and later "assembly within the limits of the square." Appolyon comes from the Greek apollumi (ἀπόλλυμι), "to destroy".

Are you going to believe NASA when they say they found life?

What are you setting yourself up for here?

The purpose of the Bible is to tell us how to go to Heaven, not to tell us how the heavens go.
 
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Hence why man isn't to be god.

Including his understanding of reality via calculation that can appear to look like the real thing. E.g. simulation.

Yet your hyper-literal interpretation of scripture is the only possible correct one, despite the fact that you're a fallible man... methinks your argument has a contradiction.
 
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No they're not. Apollo was the Greek god of the sun and music, and his name comes from the Doric word apella (ἀπέλλα), which originally meant "wall," "fence for animals" and later "assembly within the limits of the square." Appolyon comes from the Greek apollumi (ἀπόλλυμι), "to destroy".

Apollyon - Who Is This?

In Revelation 9 we read of a king of the bottomless pit named Apollyon:

7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces.8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer). (Rev. 9:7-11 NIV.)

Who is Apollyon among the Greeks?

Could this be Apollo?

In Roman mythology, Apollyon was "second only to Zeus, [and] he had the power of the sun as giver of light and life." This was because the moon could block out / destroy the Sun's light at will, proven by the lunar eclipses by the Moon of the Sun. (Encyclopedia of Religions (2006) at this link.)

In Greek culture, the God of the Sun was Helios. But transliterations in Greek of Roman words was not uncommon. Paulos is Greek for Paulus, a Roman first name, for example. So was Apollyon a Greek transliteration of Apollo, a Latin term for the Sun God?

On the plane of scholarly opinion, Hensius says indeed Apollyon in Revelation 9:11 means Apollo.

In the Edinburgh Encyclopedia (ed. David Brewster) (J.&E. Parker, 1832) Vol. II at 230, it records:

On this passage, Hensius makes the following observation: There can be no doubt that the Pythian Apollo is the same as the Ob and Abaddon of the Hebrews which the Greeks translated literally as Apollyon.

Why did John write Apollyon meant destroyer? As the same encyclopedia continues, the name Apollyon "derived his name from his hurtful rather than his beneficent qualifies." Id. This is based upon several proofs. One was a passage in Aulus Gellius, l. 5 c. 12 (Book 5, ch. 12). He describes the image of Vejovis, an ancient pagan deity. "The image of Vejovis holds arrows in his hands, as the instruments of destruction, on which account, most people think that he is the same as Apollo." Id., at 230. It was an ancient view that "all who died" were killed by the "arrows" of Apollo and Diana. Id. The encyclopedia cites Zosim, l.2., hist. Titus, Lives l. 37, Macrob Saturn, l. i. c. 17. Thus, the encyclopedia article says that Apollo began as a "malignant deity" until over time he became the refined "elegant deity of the Greeks and Romans." Id.

Further, the encyclopedia continues that according to Vossius, De Idol vol. i, l. 2, he "supposes that the name Apollo is derived from Abelion of the east, a deity whose attributes are the same as Apollo's." Id., at 230.

Less scholarly opinion likewise concurs.

Professors Gary Flanigan, Glenn Williams in 111: The Media War Between Jesus Christ and Satan (Tate, 2008) at 131 explain that "Apollo and Apollyon are one and the same" in Revelation 9:11.

In Wakeman Ryno's work Amen: The God of the Amonians Or a Key to the Mansions in Heaven (Kessinger 2006) says at 121 of Revelation 9:11 it signifies that:

Satan, Belial, Lucifer, Abaddon, and Apollyon are all one and the same — the Sun {Apollo) in the Sign of the Scorpion, the king of the bottomless pit,...

William Henry in Mary Magdalene, The Great Illuminator (2006) at 62 says:

According to Greek legend, Apollo, the Sun god (Sol god or Soul god) who founded the great Temple at Delphi, usually took the form of a serpent. In the bible he is Apollyon, the "angel of the bottomless pit" in Revelation 9:11.

Apollyon - Bible Study

The purpose of the Bible is to tell us how to go to Heaven, not to tell us how the heavens go.

Is it, God revealed to Job some interesting claims regarding God's authorship of creation and how man is unable to comprehend.
 
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Yet your hyper-literal interpretation of scripture is the only possible correct one, despite the fact that you're a fallible man... methinks your argument has a contradiction.

Let go circular with our reasoning.

The Bible is true because it says its true.

In the bible who is claimed to inspire the scribes the prophets and apostles? The Holy Ghost.

How about Angelic visitation? Mary was visited, so was Daniel.
 
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There is no evidence for that etymology other than speculation. Try reading actual scholarly research on the topic.

Is it, God revealed to Job some interesting claims regarding God's authorship of creation and how man is unable to comprehend.

Yet you think you can comprehend it perfectly by reading passages filled with figurative language that were never intended to be scientific treatises.

While it's true that we'll never know everything about how the universe functions, we know a lot and we are continuing to learn more.
 
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Let go circular with our reasoning.

The Bible is true because it says its true.

In the bible who is claimed to inspire the scribes the prophets and apostles? The Holy Ghost.

How about Angelic visitation? Mary was visited, so was Daniel.

You don't seem to be grasping my point. I'm not saying the Bible is false, I'm saying that your interpretation of it is not necessarily correct. After all, it would be pretty arrogant to think that out of all of the theologians who have studied it for over 2 millennia and come up with many different interpretations, you're the only one who has it right.
 
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While it's true that we'll never know everything about how the universe functions, we know a lot and we are continuing to learn more.

I'll continue to learn the truth as I see it.

Most Globe proving arguments fall on their face.

Show me a curve with the correct lens.

Show me a boat disappearing over the curve of water, then explain why when using optical zoom the boat is back in perspective.

You have to trust NASA and other Agencies regarding the existence of space.
 
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You don't seem to be grasping my point. I'm not saying the Bible is false, I'm saying that your interpretation of it is not necessarily correct. After all, it would be pretty arrogant to think that out of all of the theologians who have studied it for over 2 millennia and come up with many different interpretations, you're the only one who has it right.

So the 7 days of genesis, explain it in heliocentric terms?
 
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Let me make one more point here before I go to bed. I take it from your previous comments that you are not Catholic, which means you likely reject Catholic dogmas such as transubstantiation (the belief that the bread and wine of the Eucharist literally become the body and blood of Jesus Christ).

Catholics believe this due to Matthew 26:26-28. If you take an absolutely literal interpretation of those passages, then they're right - Jesus says they are his body and blood.

However, I do not believe those passages to be literal. Neither do you, since you are not Catholic. Thus, even you reject an absolutely literal interpretation of scripture, whether you realize it or not.
 
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Let me make one more point here before I go to bed. I take it from your previous comments that you are not Catholic, which means you likely reject Catholic dogmas such as transubstantiation (the belief that the bread and wine of the Eucharist literally become the body and blood of Jesus Christ).

Catholics believe this due to Matthew 26:26-28. If you take an absolutely literal interpretation of those passages, then they're right - Jesus says they are his body and blood.

However, I do not believe those passages to be literal. Neither do you, since you are not Catholic. Thus, even you reject an absolutely literal interpretation of scripture, whether you realize it or not.

Jesus died once for all sin.

We know the catholic church is questionable, not only of Eucharist, but also that salvation is only available within the physical church of Rome.

Priests are redundant as there is no need for prepetual sacrifice.

Let alone a man absolving you of your sins who they call Father.

A vicar of Christ also called the pope, in place of.

And the history with indulgences and sinister torcher methods and sexual abuse.

It's fruit is rotten and appears as an angel of light.
 
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The way I see it is to become a fool in Christ and to be separated from the world.

Human or man is evil and is self seeking, unloving or poor in love and cannot come to the light in fear of their deeds being exposed.

Science is materialism, no room for God.

Even though God believers make themselves fools trying to prove God within satan's lie.


So within your universe view, the dwarf planet Ceres and all the data and all the claims of sending probes to provide us with a closer look are all part of a grand conspiracy?

Question: If indeed true, What exactly are they getting out o this?
 
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Jesus died once for all sin.

We know the catholic church is questionable, not only of Eucharist, but also that salvation is only available within the physical church of Rome.

Priests are redundant as there is no need for prepetual sacrifice.

Let alone a man absolving you of your sins who they call Father.

A vicar of Christ also called the pope, in place of.

And the history with indulgences and sinister torcher methods and sexual abuse.

It's fruit is rotten and appears as an angel of light.

All of that is irrelevant. My point is that the Catholics take those particular verses hyper-literally, and that leads to what we both consider a false doctrine. So why apply the same kind of reasoning to Genesis?
 
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So within your universe view, the dwarf planet Ceres and all the data and all the claims of sending probes to provide us with a closer look are all part of a grand conspiracy?

Question: If indeed true, What exactly are they getting out o this?

Spending your billions of tax money to maintain a lie?
 
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All of that is irrelevant. My point is that the Catholics take those particular verses hyper-literally, and that leads to what we both consider a false doctrine. So why apply the same kind of reasoning to Genesis?

Yet they don't take genesis literally. Otherwise they wouldn't accept the heliocentric view point.

Nor even address ET and say they would baptize them.

You cant baptize an Angel and definitely not an Angel who has fallen.
 
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