Ceres our Closest Dwarf Planet

[I'm_Sorry]

Uh-huh. I guess all those telescopes I looked throgh were part of the sim, huh?

Fyi, there's room for God and evolution.

Strange you say that. Do you hold on to your flesh in heaven?

So you looked at lights through a telescope well done, I'm on that boat as well.

Maybe there is a dome or firmament?

Job 37:18
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

 

[Radrook]

The thing about this kind of research is that the technicalities still need to be understood as it's a "flat" out conspiracy to the main stream.

Can you see the southern cross up north? The star config is on our flag Australia.

Can you see orion?

I can see both in Melbourne.

In the USA big cities the only visible objects in the sky are the sun and the moon and maybe Venus occasionally. Otherwise the sky is mostly black from the glare of the lights and polution. So I can't confirm it by looking up. But I don't dismiss your viewpoint as an impossibility and will continue to review both sides of the issue. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Radrook]

Interestingly, once Ceres had been identified as the eighth planet of our solar system.
Something that the fanatical Pluto defenders - well, you can't call it "ignore"... they have never ever heard of it.

But then: "keep Pluto as the several-thousandth planet" wouldn't have such a nice ring to it.

I think that the appellation of "Dwarf" is what is really offensive to those who grew up thinking of Pluto as a full-fledged planet. Even when our sun is referred to as a yellow dwarf star it grates on our sense of dignity. Our sun a dwarf? True. it is descriptive of its size but to us size was totally irrelevant to its planetary status. Then again there was nothing beyond Pluto to challenge our notion and the scientific commu8nity could no b wrong about such a basic thing as there being only nine planets in our solar system.

So to us the nine planets with Pluto being the outermost was something written in stone. So that sense of having been duped or having been too trusting or not skeptical enough is an additional factor which causes the reluctance to accept the new status for Pluto.

Pluto was also sometimes refer to as a double planet system due to its moon Charon which was large in comparison to it. In fact, our own Earth and moon system is sometimes referred to it in that double planet way.
So all those discussions added to the assurance that Pluto was indeed a planet.

Additionally, when finally viewed up close and found to possess an atmosphere, mountain ranges, valleys of ice, volcanism, it seemed to be shouting "I am indeed a planet so don't you Earthlings dare to insult me!" at us.

BTW
Ceres being an asteroid I always considered a bit strange since most asteroids weren't as big nor as spherical.
So I figured that it was based on its size which is far smaller than Pluto.

 

[Radrook]

Strange you say that. Do you hold on to your flesh in heaven?

So you looked at lights through a telescope well done, I'm on that boat as well.

Maybe there is a dome or firmament?

Job 37:18
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Well, I am not the one claiming that flesh cannot enter heaven the Bible itself tells us that.

1 Corinthians 15:50 NIV
I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Do flat-Earthers understand that differently? In any case, what you are saying is that there is actually no asteroid called Ceres as described and that it is just a mere image on the dome-correct?

If indeed such is the case they sure have gone out of their way with al those photos, faked missions, discovery claims, speculations. How does a secret like that even have a chance to be kept? Why hasn't some disgruntled forner NASA or ESA employee come forth with the truth? What's to be gained by all this alleged deception?

 

[Radrook]

Careful, or a certain poster here will accuse you of being an atheist out to discredit the Bible...

How would a geocentric view as he is proposing and striving to prove true be interpreted as an effort at discrediting the Bible? Actually, most who are hell-bent on discrediting the Bible accuse it of being geocentric and having all astronomical objects such as Ceres orbiting the Earth. So his effort could very well be interpreted by those who believe that the Bible is Geocentric as an effort to prove the Bible true.

 

[Strathos]

How would a geocentric view as he is proposing and striving to prove true be interpreted as an effort at discrediting the Bible? Actually, most who are hell-bent on discrediting the Bible accuse it of being geocentric and having all astronomical objects such as Ceres orbiting the Earth. So his effort could very well be interpreted by those who believe that the Bible is Geocentric as an effort to prove the Bible true.

Ask AV...

 

[Radrook]

Ask AV...

Do you find that flat Earth proposal feasible? All these planets are just ephemeral lights reflected on an impenetrable dome and all this meticulous data that we are told about them is just made up stuff in order to hide the truth?

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Do you find that flat Earth proposal feasible? All these planets are just ephemeral lights reflected on an impenetrable dome and all this meticulous data that we are told about them is just made up stuff in order to hide the truth?

Regarding the strong delusion that would deceive the every elect if possible.

I put this Heliocentric, spinning earth ball right up there along with evolution by natural selection.

satan want us dead for eternity. Putting trust in man is fallible.

 

[HitchSlap]

I'm in the South, Melbourne Australia.

I can help you by taking pictures. Other than that I think there is persuasive arguments to cast serious doubt on the standard heliocentric spinning ball model.

No, there isn't. Quit spreading misinformation.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

No, there isn't. Quit spreading misinformation.

Without quoting the scientific agenda, can you prove we live on a Globe?

And I ask you bluntly. Do you believe in Evolution by Natural Selection?

 

[Strathos]

Do you find that flat Earth proposal feasible? All these planets are just ephemeral lights reflected on an impenetrable dome and all this meticulous data that we are told about them is just made up stuff in order to hide the truth?

About as feasible as the idea that every single politician is a shapeshifting Reptilian overlord from Gamma Draconis

 

[Radrook]

Without quoting the scientific agenda, can you prove we live on a Globe?

And I ask you bluntly. Do you believe in Evolution by Natural Selection?

I believe that organisms have adaptive capabilities but not to the extent that the Evolutionary Theory proposes. As to whether I can prove that I am presently on a globe without making any reference to any scientific facts indicating the contrary, I would say that would be impossible. But please note that if I ask questions it is only because I want to learn the pros and cons in order to make an informed decision and not because I am taking sides with one view or the other.

BTW
I am familiar with the airplane gyroscopic anomaly which is used to question that the Earth is round but haven't as yet heard an attempted rebuttal.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

About as feasible as the idea that every single politician is a shapeshifting Reptilian overlord from Gamma Draconis

Is the bible true? or is science.

Science =Life from matter and chemical reactions caused by tuned environmental conditions, evolving based on survival needs (natural selection), Cant reproduce theory in a lab however because it takes billions of years.

Science = Earth is finely tuned for life based on a heliocentric pale blue dot philosophy.

Science = Universe looks to have no beginning and is multidimensional (out with the Big Bang theory)

Science = man is an evolved ape

Science = No evidence for God.

God = Earth is center focus for all creation.
God = I AM created all things by His Word.
God = Man is evil and proud, boastful, lairs and killers. Loving money and power.
God = Jesus is the Truth the Way and The life.

 

[HitchSlap]

Without quoting the scientific agenda, can you prove we live on a Globe?

Yep.

And so can you. Just recreate what these amateurs did.

Can you prove we live on a flat disc?

 

[I'm_Sorry]

I believe that organisms have adaptive capabilities but not to the extent that the Evolutionary Theory proposes. As to whether I can prove that I am presently on a globe without making any reference to any scientific facts indicating the contrary, I would say that would be impossible. But please note that if I ask questions it is only because I want to learn the pros and cons in order to make an informed decision and not because I am taking sides with one view or the other.

The way I see it is to become a fool in Christ and to be separated from the world.

Human or man is evil and is self seeking, unloving or poor in love and cannot come to the light in fear of their deeds being exposed.

Science is materialism, no room for God.

Even though God believers make themselves fools trying to prove God within satan's lie.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Yep.

And so can you. Just recreate what these amateurs did.

Can you prove we live on a flat disc?

A go pro!

LOL Fish Eye lens!
IF you want to use youtube I suggest you look into the flat earth evidence as you've already been indoctrinated into heliocentric by state curriculum.

 

[Strathos]

Is the bible true? or is science.

They are not in contradiction. Take heed to the words of Saint Augustine:

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learned from experience and the light of reason?

 

[HitchSlap]

A go pro!

LOL Fish Eye lens!
IF you want to use youtube I suggest you look into the flat earth evidence as you've already been indoctrinated into heliocentric by state curriculum.

Mmhmmm.

As I said, you can recreate this experiment yourself. Prove us all wrong. Your Nobel awaits.

lol

 

[I'm_Sorry]

They are not in contradiction. Take heed to the words of Saint Augustine:

 

[Strathos]

And you still believe he was right about that. Frankly that's just embarrassing.