Celtic Saints

[Thekla]

If it is not too OT, if I may go on a bit ...

In college, I had a friend who was the son of immigrant native Irish speakers (first language). They used mostly English with him, but their English was heavily influenced by Irish. He recalled, as there are not (at least indigenously developed) words in Irish for "yes" or "no", they rarely if ever answered "yes" or "no" - and how frustrating this was for a kid growing up in the States

He described a bit of the structure of the language for me ...
for example, "ownership" is not expressed by a verb (I have a shoe), but by a preposition describing proximity (there is a shoe at me). I don't know if it is understood this way, but I remember thinking how almost ascetic that manner of expressing ownership seemed.

End personal silliness

 

[Insubres]

If it is not too OT, if I may go on a bit ...

In college, I had a friend who was the son of immigrant native Irish speakers (first language). They used mostly English with him, but their English was heavily influenced by Irish. He recalled, as there are not (at least indigenously developed) words in Irish for "yes" or "no", they rarely if ever answered "yes" or "no" - and how frustrating this was for a kid growing up in the States

He described a bit of the structure of the language for me ...
for example, "ownership" is not expressed by a verb (I have a shoe), but by a preposition describing proximity (there is a shoe at me). I don't know if it is understood this way, but I remember thinking how almost ascetic that manner of expressing ownership seemed.

End personal silliness

Actually, there are native words for "yes" and "no", "Seadh" and "Cha/Ni".. just, they're never used that way and would sound weird. The "Ni/Cha" in things like "cha robh" (was not) and "ni aris" (not again) are actually "no."


(My Irish is actually a mishmash of Ulster dialect, Standard Irish and Scots Gaelic so my spellings are also a mix probably)

 

[Thekla]

Actually, there are native words for "yes" and "no", "Seadh" and "Cha/Ni".. just, they're never used that way and would sound weird. The "Ni/Cha" in things like "cha robh" (was not) and "ni aris" (not again) are actually "no."


(My Irish is actually a mishmash of Ulster dialect, Standard Irish and Scots Gaelic so my spellings are also a mix probably)

Thank-you so much for the correction !
He did say there was a negation (not) - it seems that's what you described ?

Thanks again, and thanks for visiting TAW !

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Actually, there are native words for "yes" and "no", "Seadh" and "Cha/Ni".. just, they're never used that way and would sound weird. The "Ni/Cha" in things like "cha robh" (was not) and "ni aris" (not again) are actually "no."


(My Irish is actually a mishmash of Ulster dialect, Standard Irish and Scots Gaelic so my spellings are also a mix probably)

I think No is nil with an accent mark above the letter I. and yes is Ta with accent over A

But maybe I am wrong.

 

[Sphinx777]

Irish (Gaeilge) is a Goidelic language of the Indo-European language family, originating in Ireland and historically spoken by the Irish people. Irish is now spoken as a first language only by a small minority of the Irish population, and as a second language by a larger minority. It continues to have a symbolic role in the life of the Irish state, and enjoys constitutional status as the national and first official language of the Republic of Ireland. It is also an official language of the European Union and an officially recognised minority language in Northern Ireland.

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[Insubres]

I think No is nil with an accent mark above the letter I. and yes is Ta with accent over A

But maybe I am wrong.

It's kinda hard to figure out what to say is right. Tá is yes and Ni/l is no in the present tense, and people used to, I think, only answer in complete sentences but I think people now will just say Tá or Ni/l sometimes... or use Bhi/Cha bhi or whatever is appropriate for the tense. And "Sea" (yes, pronounced "shay") has always been around.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Rath Dé ort!/rah jay urt/


The grace of God be with you.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

My signature Tiocfaidh ár lá means our day will come. I got it when I was reading about Bobby Sands. He was one of the Republican hunger strikers.

I was fascinated with the struggle he went through.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Saint Cetin lived in the fifth century. He was a disciple of Saint Patrick and a missionary to the counties of Roscommon and Meath, Ireland.

Saint Colman McRoi lived in the sixth century. He was a disciple of Saint Columba. He founded the monastery of Reachrain on the island of Lambay in County Dublin, Ireland.

Another sixth century Welshman who served as bishop of Llanbadran in Wales. This was Saint Curig. Several churches are dedicated to him.

Saint Ismael was a sixth century disciple of Saint Teilo. He was ordained bishop of Memevia in Dyfed, Wales by Saint Teilo. He is the patron of several churches in that area.

 

[Michael G]

St. David of Wales

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[Michael G]

St. Kevin of Glendalough

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[Michael G]

St. Brigid of Kildare

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[LiturgyInDMinor]

Today we remember a holy servant of the Lord from Botolph in Lincolnshire, England: Saint Botulf. Botulf was the founding abbot of the monastery of Icanhoh. He began the abbey in 654 and soon had a group of disciples. Other monks came to visit the abbey due to the reputation for holiness and wisdom of Botolph as well as his learning. He remained at the monastery until his death in 680. He as an Anglo-Saxon, he did not get into the debates about Celtic versus Roman liturgy or the date of Easter. When forced to attend the Synod of Whitby to debate the matter, he cast a vote of "present." He thought the whole matter was "a waste of God's precious gift of time." Sixty-four English churches are dedicated to him.

Saint Briavel is the name of the old administrative capital of the Forest of Dean in England. It is named after the holy hermit who dwelt there. Unfortunately the time and story of the man is lost.

From Wexford, Ireland came Saint Moling. He was a monk at Glendalough and then abbot as what is now Saint Mullin's on the River Barrow north of Waterford. He later succeeded Saint Aidan as bishop of Ferns having the whole of Leinster as his diocese. He resigned the see some years before his death to live as a farmer. It is said that he would not kill an animal for food, but partook of eggs, milk, and chesse along with bread and soups he made from the vegetables he grew. He lived an austere life giving most of what he grew to the poor. He died in 697.

 

[Gwendolyn]

Cool thread

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Althought technially not Celtic, he's an honorary Celt in my book.

Today we celebrate the life and good work of one of the greatest bishops and teachers of the faith during the second century, Saint Irenaeus. Born in the East where Saint Polycarp knew him as a boy, Irenaeus studied in Rome and then was ordained a priest in Lyons (east central France). The city was a flourishing trade center and the heart of the Christian Church in Gaul. During a persecution of Christians, Irenaeus was sent to Rome with a letter for the Bishop of Rome, Eleutherius, urging leniency toward a heretical sect of Christians in Phrygia (in Asia Minor) for the sake of peace and unity. On his return the Lyons, he was chosen by the people and clergy to succeed the bishop who was killed during the persecution.

Irenaeus was a peacemaker again in 190 when he was able to persuade Victor I, the Bishop of Rome, to take a more moderate stance toward the Quartodecimans of Asia Minor who observed Easter on a day different than that in Rome. Celtic Christians join with Irenaeus in celebrating this liturgical diversity. It was not until the discovery in the early twentieth century when one of his principal works was discovered that scholars realize his real importance as a theologian. He was a strong and effective opponent of Gnosticism, the first major Christian heresy which denied the goodness of the flesh and held that revelation of saving knowledge was available on to an elite few. Irenaeus made the argument that the very Incarnation and Resurrection of Our Blessed Lord showed God's love for humanity and demonstrated value of human flesh. Christ recapitulated the ultimate destiny God desires for all people. God also seeks all to make the choice to accept His way of love.

This wonderful teacher, peacemaker, and gentle man died on this day in 200. Although he is celebrated as a martyr, no fact substantiates this.

 

[Michael G]

THE ORTHODOX SAINTS OF WESTERN EUROPE

 

[Michael G]

THE ORTHODOX SAINTS OF THE ANCIENT CHURCH IN BRITAIN

 

[ArmyMatt]

I know he died post schism, but he was martyred by the Normans for refusing to bow down to the pro Rome Normans: St Waltheof of Northumbria. he was a noble who was imprisoned by the Normans, tortured, and beheaded. when his body was taken to its place of burial, they found that it had been reattatched to his body. many miracles happened at his tomb, until Henry VIII came through.

I also heard that King Harold Godwineson might be added, because he died defending Britain from the Normans.

 

[katherine2001]

There is also St. Brendan the Navigator, who is Irish.

 

[katherine2001]

St. David of Wales

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I know a man who was so happy when he discovered St. David of Wales. His name is David and he is of Welsh descent (last name is Hicks), so his patron saint is St. David of Wales.