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[Agonaces of Susa]

Still waiting to see a link to this alleged Indian treatise on logic that doesn't exist.

 

[Nathan Poe]

LOL.

Because treating Darwin as an infallible demigod isn't limiting.

Nobody does that except yourself.

Would you like some Mountain Dew to wash away the taste of foot?

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

I'll drink a Dew right after you provide a link to your mythological treatise on logic.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I'll drink a Dew right after you provide a link to your mythological treatise on logic.

Who said it was a treatsie? Ah, right -- you did.

Perhaps you'd also like a link to the purple gnomes who steal your socks out the washing machine?

(scratch that -- there's probably some myth/urban legend on the subject that you interpret as historical fact)

But if you're going to continue to deny the existence of Anviksiki or that it pre-dates Aristotle...

http://www.vedic-academy.com/articl...h][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]-darshana.htm

Generally speaking, the objective of the Nyaya school is to create a "concrete method of discriminating valid knowledge from invalid..." (Tigunait, 69), as well as truth from falsehood using the tools of logic and discursive reasoning.

Ralph Dumain: "The Autodidact Project": Niranjan Dahr: Vedanta & the Bengal Renaissance: Chapter 1 (extract)

In old Sanskrit we find no word exactly corresponding to the term 'philosophy'. The word which had some rough correspondence to it was 'anvikshiki' which means 'that which reviews'. At first it meant only logic for logic brought under review all propositions put forward by various thinkers. This promoted skepticism. Orthodox Hindu philosophers therefore began discountenancing the science of logic. They even ceased to use the term 'anvikshiki', and invented a new term 'darshan' in its place.

Class and Religion in Ancient India - Google Books


Drink up, Sonny.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

http://www.vedic-academy.com/articl...h][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]-darshana.htm

That link is broken but I'm guessing it's not a 6th century B.C. treatise on logic.

Pythagoras (who was a contemporary of your alleged gymnosophist and who I'll grant learned some logic from Egypt and India) and Zeno of Elea used elements of what we call Aristotelian Logic but neither wrote a work on logic.

As I said, and as everybody on Earth (except you and a few others) knows, Aristotle was the first (whose works survive) to formalize logic in writing.

Ralph Dumain: "The Autodidact Project": Niranjan Dahr: Vedanta & the Bengal Renaissance: Chapter 1 (extract)

From your link: "In old Sanskrit we find no word exactly corresponding to the term 'philosophy'. The word which had some rough correspondence to it was 'anvikshiki' which means 'that which reviews'."

Not logic sorry.

I'm guessing it'll be a long time before I ever drink a Dew again.

 

[Nathan Poe]

That link is broken but I'm guessing it's not a 6th century B.C. treatise on logic.

Ah yes, apparantly some Indian names don't make it past the profanity filter. Try a google on The Philosophical Schools of Sanatana Dharma" and you will learn about it. My guess is you won't particularly care, having made specific and irrelevant demands.

As I said, and as everybody on Earth (except you and a few others) knows, Aristotle was the first (whose works survive) to formalize logic in writing.

You never specified writing up until now. You claimed he invented it -- up until you claimed that Aristotelian logic predated Aristotle.

Which way was does time flow in your world, Ag?

I'm guessing it'll be a long time before I ever drink a Dew again.

You still think we consider Darwin a demigod, and that you propably still persist under the delusion that I don't consider Jesus to be a historical figure.

So long as you remain too proud to admit mistaken premises, I suppose you'll never drink a Dew

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

You never specified writing up until now.

You've already quoted me specifying writing claims: http://www.christianforums.com/t7450310-9/#post54342107

Short term what?

You claimed he invented it -- up until you claimed that Aristotelian logic predated Aristotle.

Aristotle invented Aristotelian logic by compiling elements from prior sources (Pythagoras and Zeno of Elea).

Which was does time flow in your world, Ag?

Grammar fail.

 

[Split Rock]

F.Y.I. If you guys would just stop feeding Agonaces of Susa, he would get bored and leave to find another bridge to live under.

Just saying...

 

[Washington]

F.Y.I. If you guys would just stop feeding Agonaces of Susa, he would get bored and leave to find another bridge to live under.

Just saying...

(And I'm not even a Christian.)

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

(And I'm not even a Christian.)

FYI comes from Egypt.

"'Bind it about thy neck, write it upon the tablet of thy heart' -- Everything of Christianity is of Egyptian origin."' -- Robert Taylor, reverend, 1837

 

[Nathan Poe]

You've already quoted me specifying writing claims: http://www.christianforums.com/t7450310-9/#post54342107

Short term what?

Ah -- only things in writing exist. Gotcha.

And just because I'm not paying attention to you doesn't mean I'm not remembering -- you're barely holding your audience.

Aristotle invented Aristotelian logic by compiling elements from prior sources (Pythagoras and Zeno of Elea).

And the Indians invented Indian Logic centuries earlier -- where's the problem?

I guess I should've thrown in something about how they got their logical trianing from the Vulcans -- then you'd be its biggest supporter.

 

[BananaSlug]

Logic is a Greek word not an Indian word.

Allow me to quote your infallible atheist Holy Scriptures.

Logic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would have to say that you are wrong. Aristotle did not invent logic, it was the super advanced race of humans that lived long before Aristotle. He just plagiarized their works.

 

[BananaSlug]

If this gymnosophist learned some Greek Logikos when Pythagoras travelled to India we have no evidence of it.

How could he learn logic from Pythagoras when Aristotle did not invent it until several centuries later?

 

[Nathan Poe]

How could he learn logic from Pythagoras when Aristotle did not invent it until several centuries later?

From the spacemen, of course! Hey, Ag, which planet were the sphinxes from?

But seriously, you have to expect Agonaces to engage in this sort of doublethink in order to maintain his belief that the primative Indians couldn't possibly have been smarter than the hyperadvanced Greeks.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Ah -- only things in writing exist. Gotcha.

Well I guess since we don't have it or need it in writing, the Atlanteans must've invented the space shuttle.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

I would have to say that you are wrong. Aristotle did not invent logic, it was the super advanced race of humans that lived long before Aristotle. He just plagiarized their works.

That wouldn't make me wrong because I actually agree with that.

However, since you don't, you have to concede Aristotle invented logic which is why it's called Aristotelian logic.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

How could he learn logic from Pythagoras when Aristotle did not invent it until several centuries later?

I already explained this here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7450310-11/#post54342472

Pythagoras (who was a contemporary of your alleged gymnosophist and who I'll grant learned some logic from Egypt and India) and Zeno of Elea used elements of what we call Aristotelian Logic but neither wrote a work on logic.

As I said, and as everybody on Earth (except you and a few others) knows, Aristotle was the first (whose works survive) to formalize logic in writing.

And here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7450310-11/#post54343456

Aristotle invented Aristotelian logic by compiling elements from prior sources (Pythagoras and Zeno of Elea).

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Hey, Ag, which planet were the sphinxes from?

Centauroids are from the Centauri system...

 

[Nathan Poe]

That wouldn't make me wrong because I actually agree with that.

So it was the aliens who invented logic? Was it the sphinxes or the mermen?

However, since you don't, you have to concede Aristotle invented logic which is why it's called Aristotelian logic.

Just like French Fries, right?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Centauroids are from the Centauri system...

And they're the ones who settled Atlantis and invented the Space Shuttle, right?