Cavemen

[plindboe]

--- not this thing again.

Reality sure must be pesky when you're a creationist.

Peter

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Reality sure must be pesky when you're a creationist.

Peter

Biological evolution is one of the most surreal and insane superstitions I have ever witnessed in science.

 

[Nostromo]

That's quite a compliment coming from you.

 

[BananaSlug]

Must've been an evolutionist in a past life and that is God's punishment. Either that or Satan created evolutionists in his image.

It is nice to see that you consider John Merrick's disease as "punishment", considering he was a devout Christian. Maybe you should think before you post.

 

[Mike Elphick]

I will qualify this first by saying that i believe that God created the universe and earth and ll life forms.

I find the very notion of cavemen ridiculous and offensive! Humans were created in God's Image and Likeness, and the idea of ancient men looking like the stereotypical caveman is an insult to God! There is no such thing as a neandrothaul if we believe that humans were created to look like God! Neandruthauls are ugly and look like monkeys! The prevelence of cavemen in popular culture (like the flintstones and those stupid geiko ads) just reinforce the idea that cavemen were real, and therefore reinforce the idea that humans evolved from monkeys!

God would never create people to look like cavemen!

Human beings have this little problem ─ we basically don't like our bodily functions and unconscious motives: that's because they remind us of our animal nature.

We do unspeakable things ─ things that shouldn't be mentioned in a forum like this ─ in the 'wash room' or 'toilet'. Eating is renamed 'dining' and sexual intercourse becomes 'lovemaking'. Increasing affluence allows us to wash away our normal smells and natural oils and replace them with all kinds of aftershave, deodorants and 'moisturising creams'. We must have shampoos and cosmetics and wear fashionable clothes, because 'you're worth it', as they say.

Then there is that hidden unconscious desire for the power that expensive gadgets and automobiles give us for impressing ones peers and creating jealousy in the less well off ─ toys designed by psychologists to satisfy those desires...

Sweet Madam, I put it to you that your post has little to do with religion and more to do with your fear of the animal side of human nature.

 

[Chesterton]

Cavemen were nothing more than men who lived in caves.

I might have to disagree with you here. Is there a shred of evidence that men ever lived in caves? We find pictures on old cave walls; we find pictures on new museum walls; does that mean future generations will think we lived in museums?

 

[Tomatoman]

Is there a shred of evidence that men ever lived in caves?

Well there are the excavations of ancient hearths and animal bones with cutting marks corresponding to preparation for cooking. So unless primitive man used caves as a dining out experience, before waltzing back to their country houses afterwards, it would be safe to assume they took advantage of the shelter and protection caves afforded, and lived in them.

 

[HammOnWry]

Biological evolution is one of the most surreal and insane superstitions I have ever witnessed in science.

So you admit that you've actually witnessed biological evolution? It must be real, then, for you to have witnessed it.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

It is nice to see that you consider John Merrick's disease as "punishment", considering he was a devout Christian. Maybe you should think before you post.

I said in a past life. Maybe you should read before you post.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

So you admit that you've actually witnessed biological evolution?

I've witnessed the superstition.

It must be real, then, for you to have witnessed it.

The superstition is quite real I can assure you.

I've also witnessed Christians praying to God.

So according to you God is real.

 

[Split Rock]

Amen!

Cavemen were nothing more than men who lived in caves.

They were [probably] the "hippies" of their time -- i.e. runaways, just tuning out "the establishment".

Cave paintings and hippie paintings would be a good parallel, as they were probably artistic minded.

On another note, some of them were probably outcasts as well.

Diseased, anti-social, hermits, or whatever.

Jephthah reminds me of just such a person.

In any event -- good post!

Hey, AVET, where have you been? I missed you (like a bad headache, LOL). Dad's been carrying the Creo-flag in your absense, but he dosn't have your sense of style.

Did you know there are still people who live in caves (in China, for example)? I guess they must all be artistic, diseased hermit-hippies! Praise God!

--- not this thing again.

Yeah, that old thang. And you still have no answer to the question, "Which one of these skulls are from Just Apes and which ones are from Just Humans?" One would think it would be easy to distinguish....

 

[MoonLancer]

I've witnessed the superstition.


The superstition is quite real I can assure you.

I've also witnessed Christians praying to God.

So according to you God is real.

Tired old argument only your using the word superstition instead of faith. Taking the virtues of religion to attack science huh? You can keep your toxic assets of faith and superstition and believing things without evidence. Have a wonderful day!

 

[Nathan Poe]

Subscribing to this thread -- Can't wait to see the creationists come unglued as usual.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

--- not this thing again.

If by "this thing," you are referring to actual evidence that might dispell a stoneage myth, then yes.

 

[Nathan Poe]

If by "this thing," you are referring to actual evidence that might dispell a stoneage myth, then yes.

The funny thing is that we're not even debating a "stoneage myth," just an OP based on nothing but pure ego.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

The funny thing is that we're not even debating a "stoneage myth," just an OP based on nothing but pure ego.

The Oscar for egocentricity goes to the fundamentalist cultists who have metaphysical religious faith in the falsified Victorian Age hypothesis of racist temporocentrism, spontaneous generation, and miraculous evolution.

 

[Skaloop]

The Oscar for egocentricity goes to the fundamentalist cultists who have metaphysical religious faith in the falsified Victorian Age hypothesis of racist temporocentrism, spontaneous generation, and miraculous evolution.

That right there is worthy of Macbeth: "Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

That right there is worthy of Macbeth: "Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

"... nor again could it be right to entrust so great a matter [nature] to spontaneity and chance. When one man said, then, that reason was present -- as in animals, so throughout nature -- as the cause of order and of all arrangement, he seemed like a sober man in contrast with the random talk of his predecessors." -- Aristotle, Metaphysics, Book I, 350 B.C.

"... the existence of the gods is so manifest that I can scarcely deem one who denies it to be of sound mind." -- Marcus T. Cicero, philosopher, On The Nature of the Gods, 1st century B.C.

"And the existence of male and female, and the desire of each for conjunction, and the power of using the parts which are constructed, do not even these declare the workman? Who made these things or devised them? 'No one,' you say. Oh amazing shamelessness and stupidity!" -- Epictetus, philosopher, Discourses, 1st century

 

[Skaloop]

"... nor again could it be right to entrust so great a matter [nature] to spontaneity and chance. When one man said, then, that reason was present -- as in animals, so throughout nature -- as the cause of order and of all arrangement, he seemed like a sober man in contrast with the random talk of his predecessors." -- Aristotle, Metaphysics, Book I, 350 B.C.

"... the existence of the gods is so manifest that I can scarcely deem one who denies it to be of sound mind." -- Marcus T. Cicero, philosopher, On The Nature of the Gods, 1st century B.C.

"And the existence of male and female, and the desire of each for conjunction, and the power of using the parts which are constructed, do not even these declare the workman? Who made these things or devised them? 'No one,' you say. Oh amazing shamelessness and stupidity!" -- Epictetus, philosopher, Discourses, 1st century

Only a couple of millennia out of date, and they are speaking to scientific fact, about which they are wrong.

Shakespeare was merely talking about the human condition, not scientific truth. His words just happen to apply to your previous post.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Only a couple of millennia out of date

Yet more temporocentric drivel: truth never goes out of date.

Evolution goes back to the 6th century B.C. so it's "millennia out of date."

"He [Anaximander] said ... that mankind was at the beginning very like another animal, to wit, a fish." -- Hippolytus, priest, 2nd century

and they are speaking to scientific fact, about which they are wrong.

LOL.

Shakespeare was merely talking about the human condition, not scientific truth. His words just happen to apply to your previous post.

Shakespeare the Velikovskian catastrophist?

"But, when the planets,
In evil mixture, to disorder wander,
What plagues, and what portents? what mutiny?
What raging of the sea? Shaking of the earth?
Commotion in the winds? frights, changes, horrors,
Divert and crack, rend and deracinate
The unity and married calm of states
Quite from their fixture?"
-- William Shakespeare, playwright, Troilus and Cressida, 1602

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." -- William Shakespeare, playwright, 1601