Cavemen

[JohnR7]

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[USincognito]

Earlier I posted that I believe that IF cavemen did exist, it would brobably be right after the dispersion at Babel. Dilemma solved.

No, neither dilemma or problem solved as there is no reference in Genesis to hunter/gatherers existing at all. Not after Eden (as I pointed out with Cain and Abel), not after Noah (Noah plants grapes immediately after the Ark lands), and I'm not aware of any reference to anything about the loss or choice to turn away from agriculture/animal husbandry following the Babel narrative.

An ad hoc argument really isn't one at all. There's no Biblical citations you can make that explain why there are non-agrarian/non-husbanding people on Earth.

And can you guys stop responding to John when he posts his off topic crap? All it does it mess up decent threads.

 

[JohnR7]

there is no reference in Genesis to hunter/gatherers existing at all.

No referance? Then what is this?

Genesis 1:27-30
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. [28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. [29] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. [30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Adam and Eve came later, they were given the garden of Eden not the whole earth.

Also, why is the word replenish used?

 

[LightHorseman]

"cavemen" as a term relates to Homo sapiens Neanderthalensis, as much as it does Homo sapiens sapiens. Most of our knowledge about this species, or sub species, depending on which theory you subscribe to, comes to us directly from cave finds, and these beings clearly spent as much time in caves as possible. There is no evidence that these beings had technology for shelter construction, so caves were highly sought by them. There is also a sub theory that one of the possible reasons for the extinction of Neanderthals may have related to competition over cave sites with modern humans as they moved into previously Neanderthal occupied teritory.

I wonder how creationists explain the existance of, and subsequent extinction of, Neanderthals. I am curious to know how they fit into creationist theology and theory

 

[JohnR7]

I wonder how creationists explain the existance of, and subsequent extinction of, Neanderthals. I am curious to know how they fit into creationist theology and theory

Deut. 7:22
And the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you little by little; you will be unable to destroy them at once, lest the beasts of the field become too numerous for you.

The Bible teaches that one must decrease in order for the other in increase. Neanderthal had to die out inorder to make room for modern man.

 

[Chalnoth]

So apparently humans had to decrease in number to increase the numbers of cats and dogs. Right.

 

[JohnR7]

So apparently humans had to decrease in number to increase the numbers of cats and dogs. Right.

The Bible says that the people who occupied Isreal at the time has to gradually decrease as the Hebrews increased.

I just offer this as a example of how God does things.

As far as dogs and cats. I would imagine they would eat the dogs and allow the cats to starve. At least that seems to be the way they do that in the East.

In the west they like to carry their dog around like a baby and sometimes they dress them up and put them in a baby carriage.

 

[LightHorseman]

So... why did God create Neanderthals, or indeed, ANYTHING that was going to become extinct? Thats one part of YEC I really don't get. Oh... that, and what did Tyranosaurus Rex eat before Eve bit the apple and allowed death to enter the world?

 

[Everloving]

Actually, dinasours did exist during the time of man. (Job 40: 15-18). So it is possible that even the great T- Rex didn't eat meat until after the fall.

 

[joey444]

Bible quotes =/= Scientific evidence.

 

[Dal M.]

Actually, dinasours did exist during the time of man. (Job 40: 15-18). So it is possible that even the great T- Rex didn't eat meat until after the fall.

Look at Job 40:16. The Behemoth is described as having a navel. Dinosaurs hatched from eggs. Therefore, the Behemoth described in Job is not a dinosaur.

 

[Chalnoth]

Look at Job 40:16. The Behemoth is described as having a navel. Dinosaurs hatched from eggs. Therefore, the Behemoth described in Job is not a dinosaur.

At least some of those living in ancient times also knew about fossils. There are many places around the world where fossils had been unearthed through the movements of tectonic plates, or through human activities in mines. Here's a book that talks about this:
http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/titles/6811.html

 

[Dal M.]

Those living in ancient times also knew about fossils. There are many places around the world where fossils had been unearthed through the movements of tectonic plates, or through human activities in mines. Here's a book that talks about this:
http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/titles/6811.html

I think I might've heard about this lady before. Is she the one who proposed that the discovery of wooly mammoth skulls led to the invention of the cyclops in Greek mythology?

 

[Chalnoth]

I think I might've heard about this lady before. Is she the one who proposed that the discovery of wooly mammoth skulls led to the invention of the cyclops in Greek mythology?

I think this is the one. I've also heard of similar evidence of ancient fossil finds influencing other cultures, such as the dragons of far eastern culture.

Edit:
Here's a more substantial link on the subject:
http://us.geocities.com/stegob/mayorarticle.html

 

[LightHorseman]

Dear everloving... indeed, would you be good enough to explain what T-Rex DID eat then? With a mouth full of razors like that, I have a problem believing it might have been banananas

 

[LightHorseman]

Note the LACK of plant crushing teeth. This is NOT the skull of an herbivore

 

[Chalnoth]

Note the LACK of plant crushing teeth. This is NOT the skull of an herbivore

Those teeth have also matched with damage on the bones of other dinosaurs of the era, thus solidifying the statement that it ate meat.

 

[Everloving]

Look at Job 40:16. The Behemoth is described as having a navel. Dinosaurs hatched from eggs. Therefore, the Behemoth described in Job is not a dinosaur.

What proof do you have that every dinosaur hatched from an egg.

 

[JohnR7]

the invention of the cyclops in Greek mythology?

Oh, I remember that movie!

 

[Tenka]

What proof do you have that every dinosaur hatched from an egg.

We find the eggs.