Cause & Effect?

[david_x]

There are two consistent ways for me:

1. I accept everyone as Christian who considers themselves to be one
2. I decide who of you guys are TrueChristiansTM.

I used to be under the impression that the first option was fairer and more respectful than the latter. However, if you want me to be the judge...any time.

Your "bank owner" analogy is apples and elephants.
Whether someone is a bank owner or not depends on one clearly defined criterium: does he own a bank?
Unless you can demonstrate how the definition of "bank owner" is under dispute (in the way the definition of "Christian" is under dispute among different branches of Christianity and any label for any ideology is under dispute among different branches of that ideology), your analogy ignores the very core of the problem.

Typically Christians don´t disagree who´s a Christian because they disagree who matches their definition, but because they work from different definitions, in the first place.

There is a very definitive group of Christians that are part of the Universal Church. These include most protestant, most Roman Catholic, and many Orthodox. (Can't say everyone because there are always the "Sunday morning Christians" and other fakers.)

 

[david_x]

Firstly, there's a pretty simple standard to tell if someone is a bank owner: They own a bank.

That was my point.

Secondly, why would I give my money to a bank owner?

That's the general idea of a bank.

Thirdly, why would I give my money to someone just because they say they're Christian?

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Lastly, if you knock on my door telling me you're an axe murderer, I'm not opening the door.

Also diverting away from the point.

 

[HannahBanana]

I never denied that it was important. I said that it wouldn't save you. i.e. one can love their neighbor without having there sins washed away with the blood of Christ.

What does it matter whether or not it can save you? It's still highly important, which means that Christians still have to pay attention to it, and not just brush it aside, like you were doing, by claiming that Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons aren't Christians.

 

[david_x]

What does it matter whether or not it can save you? It's still highly important, which means that Christians still have to pay attention to it, and not just brush it aside, like you were doing, by claiming that Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons aren't Christians.

There is no connection between the two. I love all my neighbors, whether they are Christian or Mormon or Wiccan.

 

[MoonLancer]

i don't know about you, but i find blood makes a poor substitute for soap. and washing away sin with blood? forget it. It only stains.

 

[david_x]

i don't know about you, but i find blood makes a poor substitute for soap. and washing away sin with blood? forget it. It only stains.

And i think bad things happen to people that do good things.

 

[HannahBanana]

There is no connection between the two. I love all my neighbors, whether they are Christian or Mormon or Wiccan.

But why do you feel the need to claim that Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses aren't Christians? Do you not understand how offensive that kind of statement is to JWs and Mormons?

 

[Jazmyn]

"Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved" (Acts 16:31)

"And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us." (1 John 3:23)

"Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did." (1 John 2:6)

That's how you tell.

 

[david_x]

But why do you feel the need to claim that Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses aren't Christians? Do you not understand how offensive that kind of statement is to JWs and Mormons?

I don't feel some compulsion to, I was just stating facts. It is commonly known that the JWs and Mormons are occult.

 

[b&wpac4]

It is commonly known that the JWs and Mormons are occult.

By whom?

 

[MoonLancer]

And i think bad things happen to people that do good things.

I agree. I also think good things happen to those who do bad things.

 

[david_x]

By whom?

Christians. They don't think we are, we know they aren't.

 

[MoonLancer]

I don't feel some compulsion to, I was just stating facts. It is commonly known that the JWs and Mormons are occult.

i'm sure the Mormons are thinking "gee gosh time to go to that cult i am apart of"

Actually if i recall they would likely be praying for your soul because you don't follow the profits that visited them in America.

i find that horribly ironic.

 

[MoonLancer]

Christians. They don't think we are, we know they aren't.

Ah but the mormons are self proclaim Christians, just as you are. so clearly not all Christians think this.

 

[b&wpac4]

Christians. They don't think we are, we know they aren't.

So, you speak for all Christians? When did you get this honor?

 

[david_x]

Ah but the mormons are self proclaim Christians, just as you are. so clearly not all Christians think this.

I'm different from a Mormon, in that I believe in one God. That is why the Church has considered them Christians by Creed alone (That is that they still believe that Christ is the only way to heaven, but since they believe in three Gods they can not be part of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church)

 

[david_x]

So, you speak for all Christians? When did you get this honor?

Not at all, I'm only showing the evidence the Church has provided.

 

[b&wpac4]

Not at all, I'm only showing the evidence the Church has provided.

There are people that don't believe Catholics are Christians. Churches of them, in fact. I think they are wrong too.

 

[HannahBanana]

I don't feel some compulsion to, I was just stating facts. It is commonly known that the JWs and Mormons are occult.

If that's so "commonly known," then how come thousands of people would disagree with you on that?

 

[HannahBanana]

Not at all, I'm only showing the evidence the Church has provided.

Evidence such as...? All you've provided us with thus far is your say-so, which does not count as evidence at all, no matter how much you'd like it to.