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SolomonVII

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Thanks Greg.


But once we consider that infallible statements from Peter's Chair are not about the pope; then these two statements about Mary need to be regarded as the direct communications to us from the Holy Spirit, for our generation.


The evidence of the Annunciation passages of Luke certainly makes a clear to all about the beginning of life. With John leaping for joy in the womb of Elizabeth over the silent testimony given him by embryonic Jesus in the womb of Mary, can any really make the argument for ‘delayed ensoulment’?


Can any argue that the quickening of John in the womb was a clear sign that he possessed a soul that the fertilized egg in the womb of Mary did not?
John the Baptist in fact prpohecied from the womb that this was no mere animal soul or vegetative matter.

Of course, with the imagery of the Holy Spirit overshadowing the womb of Mary like the great wind overshadowed the primordial waters of the Genesis, with the heavens and earth being created anew with the Incarnation of Christ Jesus, the humble birth of Jesus related to us by Luke notwithstanding, perhaps it is just too difficult, too mind-boggling to bring the Conception of Jesus down to our own human scale.


Woman, a mere human female in a patriarchal society, the question of deicide just simply does not arise for us when considering the conception of Mary.

And it is a matter of amazement on how the Spirit is leading us to perceive this life, full of grace.

This is not just the cradle to grave care that the state provides those of our age. The grace of God fills Mary from before the cradle to beyond the grave, from her very Conception to her Assumption into heaven.

In our age, even more jaded about sexual matters than the one that St. Augustine had found himself in during the waning years of the crumbling Roman Empire; in our age, where crumbling marriages and crumbling sexual mores are causing the birth rates of our societies to crumble to genocidal levels, in a world where euthanasia and abortion are now considered to be the good and moral choices among our elites; in our age, let us listen to what the Holy Spirit is telling us about Mary.

For the grace that God has bestowed upon his humble handmaiden is the grace that we own with our baptism too.


And it is a grace that extends from our creation at conception, through the pain that pierces us when we chose to give the Spirit of Christ a home within us, and on beyond through the mystery of our death.
 
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As someone who used to be "pro choice" I now look at the arguments used for pro choice and I just can't see the logic in them. It wasn't a religious thing that changed my mind, I studied bioethics and came to recognise some discrepencies in my beliefs, I was against euthanisia, and the death penality but was pro choice, I realised how silly that was. We are here to serve God, not dictate who lives and who dies. to me, abortion is just flaunting rebellion. That doesn't mean that I don't feel for the people that find themselves in situations where they consider abortion as an option, and I don't believe that sprouting the evils of abortion to a person who is in the situation is very effective in giving them the strength to make the right decision.
 
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Susansmum said:
...I now look at the arguments used for pro choice and I just can't see the logic in them. It wasn't a religious thing that changed my mind, I studied bioethics and came to recognise some discrepencies in my beliefs,...

About everytime someone tries to use the argument "delayed ensoulment" or the pro-Abortionists chant "Get your rosaries off my ovaries!" I want to scream that it's NOT about religion--it's about science. Even the word "abort" means to terminate. The word "terminate" means "to put an end to", as does the word "kill". And they would have us believe that "Thou shalt not kill" doesn't apply? Hmmm, who's kidding whom?

Besides, didn't Roe v. Wade (passed in the US in the '70s) simply say something like "we aren't sure when life begins so therefore a developing embryo (baby) enjoys no protection under the FEDERAL law." The pro-abortion crowd took that statement and ran. Still IMO, logically, if it's not a developing human (baby), it's NOT a human pregnancy.
 
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AMDG said:
Still IMO, logically, if it's not a developing human (baby), it's NOT a human pregnancy.

I've wondered about that myself.
If it's not a developing human (baby), it's NOT a human pregnancy.
Therefore it must be something so what is it?
An ape pregnancy until birth???? :doh:
The :doh: of what the pro-legal murder, want you to think, and belive.
 
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