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Russia has recently gone back to Christianity. But many of the countries you list do not have a government that considers itself Christian. Just off the top of my head, France officially renounced her Christian identity hundreds of years ago with the French Revolution. And the United States, following in the spirit of the French Revolution, has always been a mixture of different religions. The current POTUS even declared to the world that the United States is not a Christian nation. The French Revolution led to the apostasy of Western Europe and Western countries as a whole.USA
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In the Koran, it specifically tells Christians that we must renounce our faith in the Holy Trinity. If only Muslims didn't have the false prophet Muhammad and his false teachings. I have no doubt that Muhammad was inspired by the Devil. The Koran is mostly a "how to" book on fighting against Christians and Jews and conquering the world through war. The tolerant parts are at the beginning because they were written before Muhammad started to become successful as a conquering warlord.Muslims reject the idea of Jesus being the son of God.
I had that argument with a Muslim years ago.
They believe him to be a prophet, 2nd to Mohammed.
They believe Mary was his mother, but I don't believe they accept her perpetual virginity, nor the virgin birth of Jesus.
Especially since Dieu comes from Deus which comes from Deyus, the name of a Pagan god.
And 'god' has described pagan gods long before Christianity reached the English people. .
In the Koran, it specifically tells Christians that we must renounce our faith in the Holy Trinity. If only Muslims didn't have the false prophet Muhammad and his false teachings. I have no doubt that Muhammad was inspired by the Devil. The Koran is mostly a "how to" book on fighting against Christians and Jews and conquering the world.
Muslims reject the idea of Jesus being the son of God.
I had that argument with a Muslim years ago.
They believe him to be a prophet, 2nd to Mohammed.
They believe Mary was his mother, but I don't believe they accept her perpetual virginity, nor the virgin birth of Jesus.
Jim
Russia has recently gone back to Christianity. But many of the countries you list do not have a government that considers itself Christian. Just off the top of my head, France officially renounced her Christian identity hundreds of years ago with the French Revolution. And the United States, following in the spirit of the French Revolution, has always been a mixture of different religions. The current POTUS even declared to the world that the United States is not a Christian nation. The French Revolution led to the apostasy of Western Europe and Western countries as a whole.
Very true - and it's sadder whenever others may not realize that they do end up making Christianity out to look foolish. t's bad enough whenever others seem to be ignorant of the etymology of words and the basic reality that Arabic Christians have been using the term "Allah" to describe God Almighty for centuries - long before the development of Islam. But to make war on the issue and go forward built on that ignorance of what terms actually mean to people while demonizing them....that is not in line with scripture. It may be based in good intentions or zeal - but it is still a lack of wisdom (Proverbs 19:2).It's the kind of nuttiness which turns people away from religion.
When unbelievers see American Christians who have no clue about the Arabic language, arguing over the word Allah,
it fuels their stereotypical view that Christianity is the religion of fools.
Jim
The Christian Bible in Arabic uses the name "Allah" where the English uses "God" so if I was a Christian whose first language was Arabic than how am I to know the difference? "Allah" is actually a better representation of the name of God then "God" is. Portions of the Bible are written in Aramaic and in Aramaic "God" is "Elahh" which corresponds to the Hebrew "Elowahh" all translated in English as "God". The name "God" has more pagan roots than "Allah" does. I agree that today it is represented differently and somewhat disconnected with its roots but this expose that cultural ignorance is important in determining a words meaning and if a culture disconnects a word's actual meaning and applies its own than their applied meaning is what is significant not its actual meaning. This goes back to Christian substitutes using "goodness" or "gosh" in replace of "God" but those words have the same meaning we are just ignorant to this and because it is accepted in Christian communities we are fine with it satisfied that there is no sin.
This is the point I am making... to a Christian we speak a different language, we use the same words but the words have different meaning. To a non-christian the same words may be disconnected from the meaning that we as Christians associated them with. The non-Christian uses them but should they be accused with using God's name in vain when they don't have any understanding of the word?
And there are a lot of Christians who would argue you into the ground about things that aren't even in the bible.
I've seen arguments here between from Catholics who don't accept Church doctrine.
So just because you had that argument with a Muslim doesn't mean he knows what the Koran actually says.
Greek term in the NT for God is Theos, which referred for the ancient Greeks to an otherwise unknown god who was the creator of all things--apart from Zeus who was a god of particular properties, but not the original creator. We could call that "unknown god" a pagan god, except that Paul identified him specifically as being the true God.
The sources I've studied indicate that Deus is derived from Zeus.
Um, mostly people are "beating down the door to get into" rich countries. There isn't much of a mass exodus of people wanting to go to, say, PNG.andy b said:whats funny is everyone critiques the so called christian led countries yet everyone is beating down the door to get into them....dont see any mass immigration into Muslim countries just a thought on who has it right
Um, mostly people are "beating down the door to get into" rich countries. There isn't much of a mass exodus of people wanting to go to, say, PNG.
"Civilised" is rather a vague word.andy b said:these countries are rich because they are civilized they are civilized because they are founded on Christianity....but no doubt you will deny that
"Civilised" is rather a vague word.
There are plenty of countries that are Christian and therefore are not rich.
One might reasonably say that the rich countries are rich because they exploited and effectively robbed the rest successfully (and still do).
I'd rather live in Indonesia or Malaysia than PNG.LivingWordUnity said:Other than a Muslim, how many people would want to leave a country that has mostly a Christian population to live in a Muslim country?
I remember when three Christian school girls were chased down and hacked up with machetes by radical Sunni extremists in Indonesia. And then there was that terrorist attack in Bali. So your choice wouldn't be mine.I'd rather live in Indonesia or Malaysia than PNG.
I suspect that's because you don't know much about PNG.LivingWordUnity said:I remember when three Christian school girls were chased down and hacked up with machetes by radical Sunni extremists in Indonesia. And then there was that terrorist attack in Bali. So your choice wouldn't be mine.
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