catholics, i am a protestant, i want to hear you

[Lost4words]

It is not "the" thing Protestants object to. There are certainly others. I can't type for other Protestants on CF, but this is my reason: Jesus is in heaven, not on Earth. The wine and bread are on Earth. So how can the blood and body of Jesus actually be in the wine and bread, respectively? It does not make sense.

Of course I know Jesus said, "This is my blood" and, "This is my body." So I am not saying it is bad to believe what is scientifically impossible. Just not my thing.

How can Jesus be everywhere at once? Easy, because when 2 or more are gathered in His name, there is Jesus also.

I believe the words of Jesus.

 

[Albion]

How can Jesus be everywhere at once? When 2 or more are gathered in His name, there is Jesus also.

I believe the words of Jesus.

That statement about him being present whenever 2 or 3 are gathered implies that he CAN be in many places at once, not that he cannot.

Or do you think that any 2 people who intend to come together in Christ's name have to take turns with every other such gathering across the globe so that there are not more than one at a time?

 

[Lost4words]

That statement about him being present whenever 2 or 3 are gathered implies that he be in many places at once, not that he cannot.

Exactly! So, why cant His Body and Blood be present in the Eucharist.

That was the point of my statement

 

[GodLovesCats]

How can Jesus be everywhere at once? When 2 or more are gathered in His name, there is Jesus also.

I believe the words of Jesus.

Ther Holy Spirit is everywhere at once. Jesus is "at the right hand of God" in heaven.

 

[Lost4words]

Ther Holy Spirit is everywhere at once. Jesus is "at the right hand of God" in heaven.

No, Jesus said where 2 or more are gathered, so Is He.

 

[Albion]

Exactly! So, why cant His Body and Blood be present in the Eucharist.

That was the point of my statement

It can be, although that doesn't mean that it is.

 

[Anto9us]

If anyone here thinks God has a LITERAL "right hand", well, I - I give up.

 

[Lost4words]

It can be, although that doesn't mean that it is.

I believe it is. I believe in what Jesus taught.

 

[Albion]

Isn't the point of this that Jesus can be present in the Lord's Supper although not his literal, physical, body?

 

[GodLovesCats]

This is why I started my own thread in OBOB: to make it easier for people to just ask questions without a running argument about who is right or wrong. Good thing Colors found it for me.

Anyway, I have read some people believe hte wine itself is Jesus' blood and others believe He is present - not necessarily the wine, but where you are. Same for the bread and Jesus' body. What is the difference? Do all Catholics agree on this one?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

How can Jesus be everywhere at once? When 2 or more are gathered in His name, there is Jesus also.

I believe the words of Jesus.

He lives inside the believer through His Holy Spirit, at all times.
Blessings

 

[GodLovesCats]

Isn't the point of this that Jesus can be present in the Lord's Supper although not his literal, physical, body?

In that case Communion is no different from any other time two Christians are united in His Name (in terms of Jesus being present).

 

[Albion]

This is why I started my own thread in OBOB: to make it easier for people to just ask questions without a running argument about who is right or wrong. Good thing Colors found it for me.

Yes, but you are only going to get one answer out of the half-dozen or so different views about Communion that are common among the various denominations.

Anyway, I have read some people believe hte wine itself is Jesus' blood and others believe He is present - not necessarily the wine, but where you are. Same for the bread and Jesus' body. What is the difference? Do all Catholics agree on this one?

The Catholic doctrine is that the bread and wine change over into real flesh and blood. (About 1/3 of American Catholics actually believe it, according to a recent study, although it is the official belief of their church)

 

[Lost4words]

In that case Communion is no different from any other time two Christians are united in His Name.

Many desciples walked away from Jesus when He told them they had to eat His body and drink His blood.

He didnt shout after them saying it wasnt to be taken literally.

He told the Apostles at the last supper to do this in memory of Me. Very strong instructions that some cannot take in.

 

[Albion]

In that case Communion is no different from any other time two Christians are united in His Name (in terms of Jesus being present).

Certainly not. It was made by Christ to be a special observance. All that what we have been discussing means is that whatever happens on the altar can be happening on all altars around the world regardless of the time frame.

 

[Albion]

Many desciples walked away from Jesus when He told them they had to eat His body and drink His blood.

He didnt shout after them saying it wasnt to be taken literally.

When he said that, the sacrament had not even been instituted yet, so it is no wonder that the Jews didn't understand his meaning (which seems likely NOT to have been about Communion).

 

[Lost4words]

When he said that, the sacrament had not even been instituted yet, so it is no wonder that the Jews didn't understand his meaning.

They knew what He was saying. They didnt like it. Jesus didnt correct them. He didnt tell them they understood it wrongly.

 

[Albion]

They knew what He was saying.

Not according to that passage. Not unless you imagine that he was actually calling on them to literally kill and then cannibalize him.

 

[anna ~ grace]

@Lost4words , you give great answers. Thank you.

Spiritual Communion: Prayer With Our Lord Anywhere

 

[GodLovesCats]

They knew what He was saying. They didn't like it. Jesus didn't correct them. He didn't tell them they understood it wrongly.

If the apostles knew what Jesus said, how could they not understand it correctly?